Mr Robert
Kraftwagen König
That remains to be determined. In for example the Golf R32 DSG the down changes aren't that smooth.
Poor M5 getting spanked by new RS6 or is it the driver? (Autocar)
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That remains to be determined. In for example the Golf R32 DSG the down changes aren't that smooth.
Zafiro
Supreme Roadmaster
...but better than SMG
You dont really use automatic mode very often in the M5. Manual mode is what the owners prefer and use most of the time, at least the ones I talked to and when I read on m5board.com.
If you dont have the gearbox put on the fastest gear shifting in manual mode you can drive the car smoothly. When I drove the M6 in the city and in manual mode, you can change the gear smooth without jerkiness.
But as soon as you put on the fastest shifting settings the gearchange can be jerky. But that is the point with faster shift settings since the gearbox is racing inspired.
I bet DCT will behave excalty the same as SMG (if not, it lost some of its charm and fun) with the fastest shiftings but of course with improved gearchanges in Automatic mode.
Zafiro
Supreme Roadmaster
probably the first time I hear that a sequential gearbox change gears smoother/or smooth as a normal automatic. Great news for DCT, then we know it will be good.
And yet, the BMW is easily the better dynamic drive not to mention has a more comfortable ride. The Audi seems to be a great disappointment in my eyes.
But the Audi was the WINNER of this test.
Mr Robert
Kraftwagen König
Who is the winner of the test is not as important (well, it is of course fun) as what is revealed during the testing - in this case the BMW seems to have the edge in the categories that matter for CorpusCallosum.
Put in a Skoda Fabia in this test and i bet you will be able to find a tester that says the Skoda is the winner, based on his or her preferences.
castagna
Schwarzwald Sprinter
The thing is that they probably didn't want to do a car similar to the M5, according to what it's written in this test about how the car goes, they wanted to do a car previous RS6 owners will feel familiar with.
Mr Robert
Kraftwagen König
I think you are completely right. Why would Audi try to make a mimic of the M5 when they already got a stable and loyal base of customers looking for a car with characteristics quite different from said M5? That makes no sense.
Tarek
Cornering Kingpin
Yep just like what MB does with it's performance AMG cars.
Really? He seemed to like it moderately the first time he tried it. Or at least, much less bothered than he seems here. And that goes for the transmission as well. From the old test:
"Power selected, auto ’box chosen, we nose off. The box shifts cleanly enough, but it’s immediately obvious that SMG can’t match the versatility of Audi’s DSG system. That’s not a big problem, because you learn to feather the throttle and smooth shifts accordingly, but it’s a long way behind the best autos."
M5 owners have noted the same technique, though most prefer doing the shifting themselves. On Fifth Gear, Tiff felt that using this technique in the fastest shift mode was smoother than in the slowest (and theoretically smoothest) mode without.
It's interesting to note how at odds two writers from the same mag can view a transmission. When Sutcliffe drove the M5, he loved it.
Of course, that article was later written off as sensationalistic journalism designed to sell copies, but it does highlight how BMW take a different approach which they hope appeals to a certain kind of driver. The shifts in the most aggressive mode are brutal, but that Japanese video seems to exaggerate the effect to make their point; other vids show much less torso movement.
Zafiro
Supreme Roadmaster
I agree!
I would take the RS6 cause i know that it will be much easier to drive and more stable in wet and ice but the M5 will suit better those who like taking turns with the side (like just_me)...
Actually I would pick RS6 as well. As a Wagon, the Rs6 seem to be the best choice. Then again, Im not a wagon person. RS6 has one huge disadvantage though and its the price.
Zafiro
Supreme Roadmaster
and you can say the same about M division, different approach from the other two.
But something has happen (or maybe its just an exception), M3 is now a more comfortable car and rides better than C63. It has always been the opposite. Wonder what has happen
Tarek
Cornering Kingpin
But something has happen (or maybe its just an exception), M3 is now a more comfortable car and rides better than C63. It has always been the opposite. Wonder what has happen
Well that's the fierce competetion my friend,everyone is trying to have a bigger piece of the cake
Probably a case of expectation vs reality. People were expecting the new M3 to be as hardcore as the old. This means pretty stiff suspension, even moreso with the new V8 which was everyone's focus of attention; the added power and torque means beefier components and thus more weight to control. Hardly anyone paid attention to the adaptive dampers, which seemed like it was merely an interesting option in the brochures while the V8 got all the limelight.But something has happen (or maybe its just an exception), M3 is now a more comfortable car and rides better than C63. It has always been the opposite. Wonder what has happen
On the flip side, the C63 is much heavier than the new M3. And without adaptive dampers, that means more aggressive shock valving if you indeed want to beat the M3 in agility and handling. AMG made a bet on the damper settings against their expectation for the M3, and it appears to come up quite short.
Quite why the C63 weighs so much more is a mystery. Heavier components to deal with the torque is one explanation. But even the old C55 made much more torque than the E46 and still weighed much closer. If the explanation is down to the heavier components mandated by the engine's torque, then it highlights the disadvantage MB have with their engine choice philosophy when they aim to tackle the M3 head on.
