911 (991) [Official] Porsche 911 (991) facelift

[Betty Swollocks]

PCM and PSAM standard features on all 911! Did I see that correct?

To be honest, on a car costing that much, it's about bloody time.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

To be honest, on a car costing that much, it's about bloody time.

I agree, but am still a bit wondered. I mean, it IS Porsche we're talking about.

 

[Soup]

Don't worry, pcm and anything extra which they claim is std is already included in the msrp.

We're talking about Porsche here, you have to pay for the damn floor mats too!

 

[DocM]

Horsepower and torque curves are available on the web special site. Also, sound clips are up on the USA Porsche website. For a turbocharged engine, it sounds pretty good if you ask me.

 

[Rolf]

One of the worlds finest sports cars just seems to get better and better. The changes to outside and interior are minimal but superb nonetheless. I am sure that these new turbo engines will produce class leading performance figures that will probably surpass Porsche claims.

I think the rival manufacturers must be pulling their hair out thinking what else Porsche can do next to better this brilliant car. They will once again be left in this cars wake.

The base 911 will be an excellent buy, look at the performance figures, 0-100 in 4.2sec and 295km/h is nothing short of sensational.

 

[donkeykong]

What are the advantages of having the tail pipes localized in the center?

 

[martinbo]

What are the advantages of having the tail pipes localized in the center?

None whatsoever other than debatable aesthetic merit.

 

[Padi]

None whatsoever other than debatable aesthetic merit.

Bit shorter pipes and lower weight?

 

[Soup]

What are the advantages of having the tail pipes localized in the center?

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[Merc1]

Usual Porsche perfection. Almost boring as to how competent they are. I'll take a Carrera S Cabriolet please.

M

 

[Centurion]

For the longest time, I too was always under the impression cooling is a big challenge on a 911 considering it is rear engined - where the engine is away from the flow of fresh air (even made a post somewhere here about it long back with a cross section of 911 turbo showing how tight things were). But recently had a track side chat with some one very knowledgeable of cars in general and especially Porsches and was surprised to learn being rear engined actually helps cooling tremendously. One of the biggest challenges is not getting cool air (you can always position radiators up front like modern water cooled 911s do), but getting rid of the hot air. And having the engine being at the trailing end of a car facilitates that easily. According to him, it is one of the reasons why 911s could stay air cooled for so long. And also why 911s do so much better on hot track days while most other performance cars go into limp mode.

Sorry for the OT stuff. As for 991.2, not feeling the rear grill, rest looks good.

Thanks for the info however I still think the heat rejection outlet is a make shift solution for a car that wasn't designed to be turbo charged. The bumper of the 991 mk.I looks much more whole, sophisticated and unadulterated. The successor to the 991 will likely have better cooling and have hot air from the turbo be rejected underneath the car and be accelerated through the diffuser.

 

[Sunny]

Thanks for the info however I still think the heat rejection outlet is a make shift solution for a car that wasn't designed to be turbo charged. The bumper of the 991 mk.I looks much more whole, sophisticated and unadulterated. The successor to the 991 will likely have better cooling and have hot air from the turbo be rejected underneath the car and be accelerated through the diffuser.

All 911s with turbos from 996 (996TT, TTS, GT2, 997 TT, TTS, GT2, GT2 RS, 991 TT, TTS) have had vents in the rear bumper right behind the intercooler and helps the intercooler function more efficiently. So I don't think it is a "makeshift" solution, and I don't think it is going anywhere in future turbo engined 911s.

When this button is pressed the drivetrain is pre-conditioned for maximum acceleration for 20 seconds, for example before overtaking manoeuvres. For this, the optimum gear is engaged and the engine management adjusted to an even more spontaneous response for a short time.

Not a fan of this. Throttle should be a function of the right foot. Now you have to press a button before accelerating if you want all the beans?

Bit shorter pipes and lower weight?

Don't forget the lighter wallet.

edit - Fix for my left/right disorientation syndrome.

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

I just can't imagine the world without the 911 ......a genuine aristocrat of the automotive industry.

I shudder to think such a thing.

 

[Giannis]

Throttle should be a function of the left foot.

Please don't tell me I'm doing it wrong all those years!

 

[Giannis]

Not a fan of this. Throttle should be a function of the left foot. Now you have to press a button before accelerating if you want all the beans?

You hit the nail on the head, though.

I don't understand why this over-use of electronics. Why everything must be selected and last for some seconds at a time. I struggle to understand the point of those options, let alone their maximum duration!

I want to drive in bonkers mode for a few kilometers and I select this sport response button because that's why I bought the 911 - to drive the hell out of it, not park it outside the neighbor's house. What will happen after 20 sec? I'll run out of juice, or will the throttle response become softer?

It's both stupid and certainly not safe, the car's behavior to change based on a countdown timer.

 

[Sunny]

Lot of details here - http://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/911/16...ls-turbocharged-future-for-all-porsche-sports.

Apparently the new engine is 40kg heavier, which is a lot of additional weight over the rear axel.

And Porsche claims 7:34 ring time for Carrera S, which is bloody fast. Especially if on stock non-R tires. On R tires, it is probably GT3 fast.

 

[PC Valkyrie]

I may be biased, but I personally think the 991 is a beautiful 911. Sure, it's the biggest 911 ever, but the shape looks great from almost any angle. Unlike the 997.2 facelift, the 991.2 facelift didn't really change the shape of the rear tail lights. Sure, the rear headlights are now "3D", but they didn't make the whole rear light assembly bigger like they did with the 997.2 facelift. The new front bumper/cooling vents and new thinner secondary front lights look fine to me, and I don't really mind the new vertical slats of the rear engine too (some people don't like it).

Yes, the new standard 991.2 Carrera is a better bang for the buck now, given new standard features and a healthy improvement in performance. The Cayman GT4 will be clearly slower than the 991.2 base Carrera now, so there is no chance of upsetting the natural hierarchy of Porsche. The 991.2 C2S with sport chrono is now also faster than the 991 GTS in terms of acceleration.

I don't know about other countries, but the new 991.2 Carrera S is noticeably more expensive than the pre-facelift C2S in Canada. Could be the weak Canadian dollar, but I suspect it's due to the fact the new C2S is significantly faster than before and it is already considered the "GTS" of this facelifted generation.

The Sport response button to temporarily maximize power/acceleration probably is like an overboost feature that temporarily increase turbo boost, but probably would over heat the engine if that level of boost was sustained for a long time.

Is the new facelifted C2S with sport chrono and rear wheel steering as fast as the pre-facelift GT3 on a racetrack with equal tires? My guess is no, but it would be close and dependent on the track. I may have missed it, but is PDCC still an option (I don't see it mentioned) for the 991.2?

There is a lot of speculation on Porsche forums about whether there will be a 991.2 GT3/RS, or whether they will go straight to a 991.2 GT2 (which I think makes the most sense given the time frames).

 

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[martinbo]

I'm surprised by that engine increase in weight by 40 kg (it's a pity). It must be the entire unit though, including the turbocharging, cooling and plumbing ancillaries...

 

[Mick Briesgau]

If you'd drive approx. 65.000-70.000 km a year, would you consider buying a 911 for every day use? How long would it last? I'm thinking about it.