Legacy Official: New Subaru legacy

The Subaru Legacy is a mid-size car built by Subaru from 1989 to 2025. Their flagship car, it is unique in its class for offering all-wheel drive as a standard feature, and Subaru's traditional boxer engine. The Legacy was sold as the Liberty in Australia.
I quite like the interior Monster, looks spacious, practical, hard-wearing, tightly screwed together and fuss-free like the previous generation's...

I don't really like the vertical themed center dashboard design, it makes the dashboard appear to look higher than it is, and it looks too MPV-ish.

I am 100% sure this interior will be of top quality, however there are too much silver plastics, and they tend to get scratched easily.
 
Thanks my Monster friend...

I really like it. I know, I'm an insufferable Subaru bigot.
Well, I've got to have some flaws eh?

Sadly, the new Legacy's biggest downfall will be the lack of a single engine in the range that combines good punch with acceptable frugality. I shan't have that (already) outmoded turbodiesel boxer because it's a flaccid wet fart above 3600 rpm, the 2.5 GT is big power which brings commensurately big fuel bills with limited touring range and the 3.6 H6 needs better specific outputs to be properly attractive.

Subaru needs a DI, light pressure, 2.0 litre turbo circa 130 kW / 300 Nm like there's no tomorrow to make the new Legacy a viable allrounder.

The sad truth for me and other real Sube fans, I'm afraid...
 
Probably will be great to drive, but it's too damn ugly. I don't like it. Sorry.
 
Definitely a step-back imho! :eusa_doh:

And also big time inspired by his region-fellow! :eusa_thin

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Thanks my Monster friend...

I really like it. I know, I'm an insufferable Subaru bigot.
Well, I've got to have some flaws eh?

Sadly, the new Legacy's biggest downfall will be the lack of a single engine in the range that combines good punch with acceptable frugality. I shan't have that (already) outmoded turbodiesel boxer because it's a flaccid wet fart above 3600 rpm, the 2.5 GT is big power which brings commensurately big fuel bills with limited touring range and the 3.6 H6 needs better specific outputs to be properly attractive.

Subaru needs a DI, light pressure, 2.0 litre turbo circa 130 kW / 300 Nm like there's no tomorrow to make the new Legacy a viable allrounder.

The sad truth for me and other real Sube fans, I'm afraid...

I have to say Subaru isn't trying hard enough in the engine development part of the new car, I don't know much about the diesel but I will take your word for it. Both 2.5GT and the 3.0 likes a drink, and I think the 3.6 H6 will be even worse. The outputs for the 3.6 is indeed disappointing, I am sure they can squeeze more than 190kW and 333 Nm from that engine right? I hope they really improve the torque range of that engine as well.

There isn't much info about the gearbox, the 4 speed auto has to go, and the 5 speed needs to be further developed. They did say a CVT gearbox will be available for all models but I am not a fan of those.


Here are some more photos, the black B4 looks almost acceptable but Martin, can you actually love that red Outback?

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Just no... really no.... how can they turn this
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Hey Monster, thanks for loverrrly pics of that black B4. I quite like it - looks mean and aggressive - and fortunately this will be the KA Spec look that Oz and SA will be getting as opposed to the woefully dull USDM models.

Outback? Still looks a little fugly to me - it's that awful grill that's irking me. Why, Subaru, oh why do you ditch styling features that work for your cars - the old Outback grill was elegant and distinctive - and continually introduce new ones that just end up alienating more existing customers? I'll have to see Outback in the flesh to make a final judgement. Oh, and I hate D-pillars that taper towards the base of the pillar from the roof - but, in truth, we can't blame Subaru as this feature is very contemporary and used on Merc, Audi and Opel wagons now.

For whatever reason (I can't work out why), Subaru's NA Boxer engines have always fallen short on specific outputs per litre. The exception was the engine in your car which, upon its release was the most powerful NA 3.0 litre engine in a mainstream car. Even then, its 297 Nm still fell short of the 100 Nm per litre benchmark.

The 3.6 litre engine is essentially the same as in your car but with a shortened con-rod to increase swept volume by 100 cc's per cylinder. The idea is that the engine makes better power and torque using less fuel and being no bigger than the original (but much, much more characterful) engine. Of course, you're right, specific outputs are piffling relative to what Porsche can achieve with their flat sixes.
 
Some more pics:

Legacy Touring Wagon, top spec.



Don't care too much for the colour. Ugh.
 
Hey Monster, thanks for loverrrly pics of that black B4. I quite like it - looks mean and aggressive - and fortunately this will be the KA Spec look that Oz and SA will be getting as opposed to the woefully dull USDM models.

The dark headlight surrounds, which wasn't on the USDM, helps to minimize the visual size of those big and featureless headlights, and it gives the car, especially on the black B4, a slightly menacing look.

Outback? Still looks a little fugly to me - it's that awful grill that's irking me. Why, Subaru, oh why do you ditch styling features that work for your cars - the old Outback grill was elegant and distinctive - and continually introduce new ones that just end up alienating more existing customers? I'll have to see Outback in the flesh to make a final judgement. Oh, and I hate D-pillars that taper towards the base of the pillar from the roof - but, in truth, we can't blame Subaru as this feature is very contemporary and used on Merc, Audi and Opel wagons now.

They have completely lost it on the Outback. The old one's styling was subtle but distinctive enough to differentiate itself from the rest of the range, while this new one just looks like a normal wagon with a fugly grill. The old car gets its own bonnet design, the new one doesn't seem to have it.

I hate how they got rid of the wrap around glass surface and replace it with this horrible contrived shape around the D-pillar.

For whatever reason (I can't work out why), Subaru's NA Boxer engines have always fallen short on specific outputs per litre. The exception was the engine in your car which, upon its release was the most powerful NA 3.0 litre engine in a mainstream car. Even then, its 297 Nm still fell short of the 100 Nm per litre benchmark.

The 3.6 litre engine is essentially the same as in your car but with a shortened con-rod to increase swept volume by 100 cc's per cylinder. The idea is that the engine makes better power and torque using less fuel and being no bigger than the original (but much, much more characterful) engine. Of course, you're right, specific outputs are piffling relative to what Porsche can achieve with their flat sixes.

For me anyway the lack of torque is annoying when I need to overtake from cruising speed, every time I do, I have to rev it to beyond 4000rpm where the valve timing changes and actual power kicks in. Sure it is fun but fuel economy hurts. I also notice the engine is putting in a lot of fuel at low rpm but high engine load because there isn't much torque at the bottom end.

I really want to try out the 3.6 and see how it performs. What would be really useful is for Subaru to release dyno charts of the engine running on part load conditions because that is what the engine is at for most of the time when we drive.

I was going to mention Porsche before, but then Porsche has a much larger engineering budget than Subaru. The air intake system alone on the Porsche engine is way more refined and I suspect the engine management system is also more sophisticated. That isn't an excuse for Subaru though, they should up their game.
 
I can't think of any other manufacturer that can so consistently make such bland looking cars (Impreza is the exception) one generation after another.

And I think they are the last remaining manufacturer thta hasn't learned that too much fake-aluminium-plastic makes your interiors look really cheap.
 
^ Can't disagree with you really. :(

But my Forrie's pretty handsome in the metal. Sniff sniff...
 
I saw a truck full of brand new Subaru Liberty sedans and wagons today. The sedans are in metallic grey, it looks alright, the front is less ugly than the photos. The pearl white wagon looks exactly the same as the press release photos, and it still looks disappointing. The side profile is ruined by the awkward side window, and the rear end is still a bit messy.
 
Whatever happened to that new Subaru sports-wagon looking thing. It has a shape similar to the older Forrester (the model shown in Martin's avatar) ??

Nevermind, my lazy self did a quick Google-job.. it's called the Subaru Exiga. What's happened to it? Has it hit the market yet? and reasons why it ain't in USA yet (if ever)? I think it looks MUCH better than the Legacy wagon.

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Exiga is Japanese Domestic Market for now only. KA (Australian) spec introductions to the Ozzie market were rumoured but as yet have not materialised. Supposedly the model is due for November launch. Basically, if Australia doesn't get it no one else does.

Exiga in Japan is fitted with 2.0 litre Boxer engines (NA and turbo'd) and this is in contrast with the ubiquitous application of the 2.5 litre Boxer in international markets.

Whether the Exiga will be offered in Aus with 2.0 or 2.5 litre engines remains to be seen but, clearly, the availability of Subaru's Lineartronic CVT transmission is a key constraint on the release date of the Exiga in markets outside Japan.

The Exiga is has limited appeal outside of the JDM because of its distinctly oriental MPV looks. Pictures don't convey the odd-proportions and high roofline. Exiga is a seven-seater built on a stretched Impreza / Forester platform and so fulfills a lower-tier role within the Subaru line-up in Japan.

Left hand drive models are not slated for the US, the Lafayette plant in Indiana will instead focus on core models like Impreza, Forester and Legacy.

The new Legacy is a much larger car than previous and it now firmly straddles the compact (3er) and mid-size (5er) saloon segments. It has a lower roofline and is said, wait for it, to look far better in the metal than in pictures. Never heard that of a Subaru before. ;)
 
There isn't much info about the Exiga yet, all I know is it will be called the Liberty Exiga.

I was hoping that the Legacy wagon will look better in the metal, but so far that isn't the case.
 
Saw the Liberty Outback at the dealership today, this car is big, Volvo XC70 size, and it looks very bland. The front grill is still ugly.
 
The more I look at this gen's Legacy, the more I'd want the previous gen. To me that was the closest to family-midsize perfection. I'll even admit, for a run-of-the-mill kind of car, it'd get an extra second or two worth of admiration from me. The only complaint was that rear legroom was somewhat cramped. The interior ergonomics were sound, and felt well-pu together. A Legacy GT wagon with a bit more rear legroom would have been a car I'd be happy to drive for 10-15 years.

Well, now that I've said my piece, is Subaru ever going to develop and implement a double-clutch transmission?
 
The more I look at this gen's Legacy, the more I'd want the previous gen. To me that was the closest to family-midsize perfection. I'll even admit, for a run-of-the-mill kind of car, it'd get an extra second or two worth of admiration from me. The only complaint was that rear legroom was somewhat cramped. The interior ergonomics were sound, and felt well-pu together. A Legacy GT wagon with a bit more rear legroom would have been a car I'd be happy to drive for 10-15 years.

I understand exactly where you're coming from. I have the same sentimental attachment to the previous generation Legacy and Outback, both of which not only looked better from the outside but also had far nicer, touchy-feely interiors. The previous generation Outback 3.0R was a car of exquisite class - it was elegant and sleek and more than capable of tackling gravel roads. It was not without its drawbacks however, as you say, rear leg-room was tight, fuel consumption on the 3.0R was heavy - especially when pressing on - and the four speed auto on the 2.5 was simply archaic.

What we're seeing here is an improvement in product and a diminishment of character. Character is a wonderful thing; it woos journalists and appeals to enthusiasts but character doesn't sell to the masses. Good product does. The new Legacy and Outback are better overall products compared to their forebears - they're much more spacious, more fuel efficient, more comfortable and, as a whole, cleverer. The new CVT Lineartronic transmission in the 2.5 naturally aspirated cars is a revelation and it makes a massive contribution toward giving an otherwise underendowed engine meaningful pep at any given speed. It surely is the best of its kind on the market.

As a long-time Forester owner, I immediately noticed the reduction in character of the current car vs. our previous two models. But, what I also noticed was the improved space, comfort, fuel economy, child-friendliness, safety, convenience and overall versatility. The product simply has more mass appeal and the same goes for these new Legacy and Outback models. Interestingly, this heightened appeal has not gone unnoticed. Subaru sales have increased year-on-year - especially in the US - as a result of Subaru's focus on the mainstream.

It's not all good news for the afficionado, of course, dashtop tactile and perceived quality is down from previous models and owners can feel short-changed in this department - I know I do at least. Some of the sportiness that made Subarus so appealing to the enthusiast has certainly been diluted too but the new Legacy isn't half bad at all when you dig deeper. [Now, isn't this a common observation with just about any new generation out there nowadays?]

Well, now that I've said my piece, is Subaru ever going to develop and implement a double-clutch transmission?

I've said it time and again but, at the risk of sounding like a stuck record, I have to say that Subaru have engineered themselves into a quandry with their resolute - or should that read obsessive - pursuit of symmetrical AWD. In order to keep the whole drivetrain system as light, balanced and compact as possible, Subaru engineers the gearbox and front-wheel drivetrain as a whole - the propshaft powering the front wheels passes directly below the actual gearbox itself, within the same casing.

If you look at any current implementation of the dual-clutch transmission incorporated within an AWD system you'll notice that the front-drive propshaft is offset to the side and out of the way of the gearbox mechanicals whether it's S4 or Panamera or 335xi. A dual clutch gearbox with its two output shafts would give Subaru engineers even more grey hairs. It would make packaging of the gearbox a nightmare - particularly if Subaru were to pursue the symmetrical layout.

So, I don't foresee any earth-shattering developments on the transmission front for Subaru. The phasing out of the four speed auto (it still is offered on turbo'd Foresters!) will free up capacity for Subaru to focus on 5 or even 6 speed torque convertor autos for high torque engines. I'm quietly hoping that Subaru will beef up the CVT to handle 350 Nm but this is a long shot as this represents the limit of torque that modern CVTs are capable of handling.

If a DCT transmission is released by FHI then I, for one, will fall off my chair.
 
I had a go at the 3.6 sedan a few months ago, as you said Martin, it isn't half bad, but it has lost its sportiness, it almost felt like I was driving a Toyota Camry. The steering is very light, but still accurate, the suspension setting is definitely on the soft side. There are plenty of body roll around corners, and the sensation is amplified by the high seating position. The car is bigger, and you can feel it when you are driving it, even though the actual weight increase isn't that much, I can't exactly remember, I think it is about 30 to 50kg?

The engine is the highlight of the entire driving experience, the engine and gearbox response is extremely quick, there is noticeably more low end torque than the 3.0L, but it rev just as quickly. The gearshifts are quicker, smoother and the box is more willing to kick down than before. It is a bit unfortunate because the engine and the gearbox are a miss match with the chassis. Oh the brakes a better now, there is less dead travel from the pedal, and they felt more powerful than the ones on my 3.0.

The ride is very comfortable, I say it is very close to the E-class. General refinement is good as well, it is a lot quieter than the previous generation. The doors felt heavier in fact the entire car felt more substantial than before.

It is a pity Subaru as gone this way for this generation of Legacy/Liberty, because IMO the new car has lost it character, now it is almost as bland as a Toyota to drive.

The exterior styling is horrendous, it looks even worse in person. I will let the photos do the talking. The interior has lost its European inspired design, it has also lost some of the tactile materials that were used in the previous generation. The dashboard is made from hard and hallow sounding plastics, and the fake wood really looks nasty. The location of the frequently used buttons are ok, however the cluster of small buttons positioned right of the steering wheel is confusing to look at, and use.

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Overall, it isn't a bad car, but it just doesn't feel the same anymore. As a current Legacy/Liberty owner, I won't be considering this as my next car. If only I can get that 3.6L engine into my current car.
 

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