12C [Official] McLaren MP4-12C


The McLaren MP4-12C, later rebranded as the McLaren 12C, is a sports car produced by McLaren Automotive. Manufactured between 2011 and 2014, the MP4-12C was available as both a coupe and a retractable hard-top convertible, the latter known as the "Spider".
Sylvester Stallone posing :D

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according to a rennteam Journalist:

Ferrari 458 italia vs 997 Turbo vs Mclaren MP4

"The three were side by side and when the green flag was shown, the McLaren vanished from the other two.
Everybody was blown away by the MP4, it beat the 458 and 997TT real hard, car is on another level."
I can only post pics about this event on 14 February
 
New McLaren MP4-12C review countdown: McLaren F1 drive | evo

McLaren MP4-12C review countdown: McLaren F1 drive

New McLaren MP4-12C review countdown: evo's John Barker was one of the first journalists to test the McLaren F1. After 15 years, they meet again

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Inch by glossy inch, the McLaren F1 emerges from the unassuming box trailer, its fanfare the slow, gritty whirr of the winch. Moments later it’s sitting there in all its understated glory, the greatest supercar the world had ever seen, the best car in the world, circa 1994.

The F1 moved the supercar game on so far that it was over a decade before any other road car got close to its performance, and even though its headline figures have now been bettered, some would argue that as a complete car the F1 is still without peer.

Can it be so, despite the relentless pace of automotive development, despite the advances in materials, tyres and brakes, engine and gearbox technology and electronic control systems? The F1 has aged well aesthetically, which is the reward for not being fashionably styled at the time, but there are clues that it is not a recent design. Notable is the lack of obvious aerodynamic kit, such as a low front splitter and rear diffuser, and the tyres are rather plump, especially at the rear, but even when the car was revealed in the early ’90s these aspects of the F1 pointed up Gordon Murray’s uniquely informed approach to re-setting the supercar benchmarks.

It’s been a long time. I last drove an F1 in 1995. Even now I’m still not sure how we managed it, but we convinced Ron Dennis to authorise a clutch change so that we could have the car for a couple of days for our Performance Car feature. We did just what you’d do with the world’s fastest, most powerful, most expensive car: we took our mates and our folks out in it, cruised around town and drove some of our favourite roads. We all came back with a bundle of unforgettable experiences. Mine include hitting the limiter in fifth on a Yorkshire B-road without really trying, setting a still unbeaten 167mph record between the roundabouts near the office while trying quite hard, and getting deep into three figures on a wet dual carriageway with the bobbing, grinning head of a policeman in each rear-view mirror.

When my mind settles on the hard points of driving the F1, I recall the phenomenal power and reach of the BMW V12 and, just as strongly, the heavy, unassisted brakes and steering, which made you think hard before exercising it fully. Gordon Murray wanted minimal weight and maximum feel, and he got them, but I felt they came at the expense of properly engaging and adjustable handling. The supercars that followed in the F1’s immediate wake didn’t go down the same road, and those of the last ten years, from Ferrari and Lamborghini, Porsche and Bugatti, Pagani and Koenigsegg, have been considerably more user-friendly thanks to the universal fitment of power steering, anti-lock brakes and, at the very least, traction control. I’m worried that, 15 years on, the McLaren will feel like a throwback.

Up close again, the F1’s sensational finish and build quality are evident, from the flawless mirror finish of the paint to the pristine nap of the suede and leather interior. This generously loaned car has over 36,000 miles on the clock but inside looks almost brand new, apart from the perforated suede section of the steering wheel, which looks grubbied and roughed up. No surprise there, though.

McLaren has sent along its long-standing F1 road car test driver, Peter Taylor, to look after us today, and he takes the car for a few laps to check it over and establish that all is in order. It clearly is and he offers a passenger lap or two to remind me of the car’s characteristics. evo has been to Bruntingthorpe’s XXL runway on a number of occasions to get big numbers from other supercars and come away disappointed, and back in 2003 we trekked to Germany to top 200mph. I’m soon wondering why.

I slip into the fixed, bucket-like, surprisingly comfortable left-hand passenger seat and I’m reminded how inclusive the F1’s unique three-seat layout is. I can see most of the instruments and the driver’s feet on the pedals, and I have a great view out of the low windscreen. It’s an almost cinematic experience, the view in Panavision widescreen and the V12’s voice as it gulps air via the roof-mounted intake a sort of Dolby surround-sound experience.

As Taylor had described, there is nothing amiss with its performance. Working it nicely through the long, long right-hander onto the main runway, the F1 feels settled into very mild understeer, the balance changing to neutral as Taylor gets back on the power fully and unwinds the lock as we join the main runway. We’re already motoring and four crisp 7500rpm upshifts later I look to the speedo with mild curiosity and do a double take. We haven’t crested the rise yet but the fine white speedo needle is swinging through the 180mph mark. Over the other side the needle climbs steadily to 200mph and beyond before Taylor gets on the brakes. That was ridiculously easy.

‘It’s best to stay off the expansion joints,’ says Taylor after a second 200mph-plus run, ‘and keep an eye on the windsock, too.’ Ah, that’s it then; the car was wandering more than on the first run because of a crosswind.

McLaren wanted the F1 to be everyday- useable and its compact dimensions (it’s 911-sized) and the lack of front and rear overhangs mean that speed humps hold no fears. But it feels like there’s not an over-abundance of downforce at very high speeds, even with the flip-up rear spoiler cranked to its most vertical setting. That said, this slipperiness contributes to the F1’s exceptional 240mph top speed.

My turn. Slide across the front edge of the left-hand passenger seat, hoik legs over the tall carbonfibre channel and then settle backside into the slim but instantly comfortable driver’s seat. And drink in the view. Wow. I’d forgotten how extraordinary the central driving position is, and how obviously right. The symmetry, the exceptional visibility, the feeling that you’re right at the very heart of things, that the car is built around you, the driver. Yes, it’s a bit of a faff getting there, but the rewards are great.

Twist the key, flick the safety cover off the starter button and rouse the V12. Snick the tall gearlever into first, ease the carbon clutch in without bothering the throttle and you’re away. The tractability of the 6.1-litre V12 is such that, as Taylor has demonstrated, it’s possible to go up through the box on tickover, and then floor the throttle in sixth without the merest hint of a stumble or a murmur of protest. This is an exquisitely tuned monster of an engine, and even pulling a top gear good for over 230mph, the F1 soon picks up pace and strikes out for the horizon. It’s a perfect illustration of the irresistible combination of big-capacity torque and a minimal kerb weight.

The lack of flywheel effect in the engine ensures that the revs flare and die back almost instantly, which is another factor in the F1’s amazingly crisp, clean throttle response. It also means that you’ve got to be positive and accurate with the gearshift, clutch and throttle; conducting the McLaren smoothly demands finesse, but the satisfaction of getting it just-so is ample reward. The biggest surprise as we mooch around for the camera is that the steering is perfectly weighted and brimming with textured feel. I don’t remember this, though I later learn that Gordon Murray reckons this particular F1 has the best steering feel of any he’s driven.

With the tracking shots bagged, I get the thumbs up and, ambling in second gear at a steady 3000rpm, I floor it. It feels like time travel; the F1 is gone, seemingly before the staccato bark of the engine digging deep has reached your ears or the throttle pedal has hit the stop. Sure, there’s a mighty engine in the back but the ease with which the F1 gains speed is uncanny, and although the engine sounds vocal, it spins very smoothly.

The ride is surprisingly supple too. Get on the brakes and the nose dips, tack into a corner and there’s a degree of roll, power up for the exit and the nose lifts again. Despite the name of the car and the motorsport experience behind its design and construction, it’s no race car in disguise. Yet there’s no slack, no lost motion either; a polished, instantly responsive feel permeates the F1, and the level of feedback and feel it delivers is unmatched by any other supercar.

Sweeping out on a wide line through the last corner, brushing the concrete kerb on the inside, you can feel its gentle ridges in detail through the rim of the steering wheel, and that’s followed by the crinkle-cut surface and the vein-like joints between the concrete sections of the runway on the exit. This is the car wrought as an instrument, a precision instrument.

The steering piles on weight in the faster turns, though, all the time relaying the level of detail you need and want but at the same time cautioning against getting too ambitious with the throttle. Many current supercars allow easy, risk-free access to their full performance, with power steering making their fat front tyres manageable and sophisticated stability control systems letting you know you’ve been over-ambitious by blinking a little yellow warning light and gently keeping a cap on things.

I didn’t want to overstep the mark when I first drove the F1 and I don’t today. I have no idea what a Bugatti Veyron would do without its stability control, or quite when it might do it, but I have a good idea of what the F1 would do, and it would involve not catching an oversteer slide. I remember watching one of Martin Brundle’s videos and seeing the look on his face when the rear of an F1 he’d borrowed stepped out in a straight line, in the wet, when he gave the throttle a good poke. Had there been subtitles, the words ‘Oh Lord, please, no’ would have appeared beneath his slack-jawed mug.

So although it has a finely responsive, torque-heavy, naturally aspirated engine tailor-made for on and just over the limit play, that’s not in the F1’s repertoire. But it doesn’t matter. The aural richness of this engine and its sparkling delivery, whether it’s lugging a high gear from low revs, keening to the red line, or anything in between, makes it utterly compelling.

Fifteen years on, the world has yet to welcome a better packaged, better finished or more habitable supercar. Or one that’s as potent, light and tactile. I admire the Bugatti Veyron, which has been developed just as fastidiously, but it’s a blunt instrument in comparison, a carpet bomber as opposed to a laser-guided missile. And although it does 253mph, the Veyron hasn’t moved the supercar game on.

The next generation of supercars will be smaller, lighter and more efficient. In other words, more like the McLaren F1, though there’ll probably never be another supercar that puts its driver so at the centre of things and so in charge of their own destiny.

Spec:

Engine: V12, 6064cc, dohc per bank, 4v per cylinder, variable inlet timing
Max power: 627bhp @ 7500rpm
Max torque: 479lb ft @ 4000-7000rpm
Top speed: 240mph
0-62mph: 3.2sec (claimed)
Price: £634,500 (1995)
On sale: 1994-1998
evo rating: 5/5
 
Fifteen years on, the world has yet to welcome a better packaged, better finished or more habitable supercar. Or one that’s as potent, light and tactile. I admire the Bugatti Veyron, which has been developed just as fastidiously, but it’s a blunt instrument in comparison, a carpet bomber as opposed to a laser-guided missile. And although it does 253mph, the Veyron hasn’t moved the supercar game on.

AMEN!!!

:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

:t-cheers:
 
I have endless respect for John Barker, his experience, skill and intellect but I can tell you now that his comment regarding the Veyron not moving the supercar game on will come under fire from his own colleagues (and boss!) at EVO.

It's just not right to say that the Veyron has not moved the supercar game on. The F1 follows a very specific recipe - the Veyron a very different one. The Veyron Super Sport shows us exactly how much the supercar game has moved on.

So too will this MP4 move the game on for mid-range, mid-engined supercars... but again, in it's own way.
 
New McLaren MP4-12C review countdown: McLaren F1 v McLaren MP4-12C

McLaren MP4-12C review countdown: McLaren F1 v MP4-12C


How different is McLaren's road-car philosophy today compared with two decades ago? John Simister compares the F1 with the company's new supercar to find out

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Purity turns to pragmatism. With McLaren’s MP4-12C now revealed in all its orange sleekness, it’s a good time to compare it with the car that inspired it, the McLaren F1. Can it really be 20 years since the F1 was conceived, and 16 years since it proved itself the fastest road car on the planet? The Bugatti Veyron and others have since trumped the F1’s 240.1mph top speed, but none has combined the searing pace with such lightness and purity.

Cost-no-object perfection, combined with the clearest possible car-driver interface, formed the mindset behind the F1. The new supercar comes into a different, more regulated world, and it has been conceived as a full-scale commercial venture rather than a kind of automotive artwork. The much lower price – around £150,000 rather than the £635,000 the F1 cost new – means a much wider customer base, so more tastes have to be accommodated. Paradoxically this has created a car with more technology, not less. The challenge will be for the MP4-12C, despite the many more variables in its make-up, still to be a driving machine worthy of its ancestry.

So what, if anything, do the two McLarens have in common? Let’s take a look…

Concept

Powerful mid-mounted engine, carbonfibre monocoque, minimal aerodynamic distractions apart from a retractable rear spoiler/airbrake. Those are the obvious commonalities, along with compactness and low weight. But cars are bigger than they used to be, and that’s true even at McLaren. The F1 is 4288mm long, 1820mm wide, has a 2718mm wheelbase and weighs 1140kg. The MP4-12C is 219mm longer and 75mm wider, with a 48mm shorter wheelbase, and weighs another 200kg. Yet its carbonfibre tub weighs just 80kg.

Structure

Both are built around a carbonfibre core, but the execution is very different. McLaren made the first carbonfibre Formula 1 car (the MP4/1 in 1981), so it’s something of a brand signifier, and the F1 was quite, well, F1-like in its construction with the suspension mountings fixed directly into the carbonfibre tub. The MP4-12C does it differently: its tub ends at the front and rear bulkheads, and aluminium frames carry the engine and suspension and form the collapsible crash structures.

The carbonfibre construction process has come a long way, too. The F1’s structure used hand-laid, resin-impregnated sheets, a labour-intensive process that took 3000 hours by the time the structure had been baked and finished. The Mercedes SLR McLaren did better, requiring 400 hours for its six sections thanks to resin injection-moulding processes, but the MP4-12C’s single-piece ‘MonoCell’ structure takes just four hours to make. That it contains hollow sections is a revolution in carbonfibre moulding. It’s massively strong, too; the same prototype tub was used for three separate crash tests without damage.

Lightness is key, of course, even for today’s equipment-demanding and safety-expecting customers, so there’s plenty of magnesium in the MP4-12C. One piece of the ultra-light metal forms the dashboard’s support beam. It bears a McLaren logo, initially embossed when development began. But that meant an excess of protuberant metal, so the letters were recessed instead, saving 2.4 grams. The heat-reflective gold film in the F1’s engine bay has not been reprised on the MP4-12C, however.

Engine

Both mid-engined McLaren supercars have bespoke engines, but one is more bespoke than the other. BMW Motorsport created an incendiary V12 specifically for the F1, a 6064cc unit designated S70/2. Power was 627bhp at 7500rpm, torque 479lb ft from 4000 to 7000rpm. It had dry-sump lubrication, variable inlet-cam timing and, crucially, no turbocharging. Designer Gordon Murray preferred the idea of a larger, normally aspirated engine because the prodigious power output would be easier to meter.

For the MP4-12C, though, McLaren could not find a suitable production engine to use as a starting point, chiefly because of the modifications needed to use, again, a dry-sump system. So the company has designed its own, designated M838T: a 3.8-litre V8 with two turbochargers. These turbos and the Ferrari-like flat-plane crankshaft ensure the MP4-12C doesn’t sound like a regular V8. But neither does it scream: instead it emits a deep, crisp throb, less staccato than, say, an SLR’s sound, but very rich.

Power is 592bhp at 7000rpm, torque is 442lb ft beginning at 3000rpm, so the MP4’s power-to-weight ratio is well short of the F1’s. That’s reflected in the top speed of ‘just’ 200mph, but both cars get to 120mph in just under 10 seconds. The MP4-12C has variable timing on all four camshafts. This and the ‘imperceptible’ turbo lag help create a very quick throttle response, McLaren claims.

Gearbox

Six-speed Weismann transversely mounted manual for the F1, to give maximum driver interaction – besides which, sequential gearboxes were almost unknown for road cars in 1992. Supercar buyers now expect a sequential ’box so the MP4-12C has the company’s own double-clutch, seven-speed, ultra-compact ‘SSG’ – Seamless Shift Gearbox. It includes a ‘pre-cog’ function on the paddles, alluding both to pre-cognition of driver’s intent and pre-priming of the clutch controlling the next gear or ‘cog’. A light pressure on the paddle triggers this function, so the shift is faster when it is then commanded by a firmer paddle-pull. No other sequential system keeps the driver in touch with the process like this one, reckons McLaren.

Suspension, brakes

Both cars are designed to blend crisp, predictable, ultra-agile handling with a properly supple ride, so both use wishbone bushes with lots of longitudinal but little lateral compliance. After this they diverge radically. So strong is the F1’s purist streak that it lacks power steering and anti-lock brakes, never mind anything of greater electronic complexity. That’s as it should be for its time, but tastes – like it or not – have changed and electronics have massively improved.

So the MP4-12C gets electro-hydraulic steering and the full gamut of ESP/ABS/ASR/ABD and even a hill-holding device. A Brake Steer system brakes the inside rear wheel as needed to help turn-in, and the dampers are adaptive. The responses of the suspension, and separately the engine and transmission, can all be tailored with Normal/Sport/Track settings. All of this is designed to increase driver involvement, not reduce it, by making the new McLaren do as closely as possible what its driver wants it to do.

Manufacture

McLaren made 64 road-going production F1s; add the five prototypes and the various LM, GT and GTR racers and we reach 106 cars. The MP4-12C is in a different numbers league, with 1000 cars planned for the first year of production (2011) alone and full profitability expected within four years. There’ll soon be a shiny, spotless new production plant on McLaren’s Woking estate and a worldwide network of high-end dealers.

The 12C might not become the instant legend that its ancestor did. Instead it will most likely prove to be simply a fantastic supercar of a more accessible sort. Which means a few more of us will get to drive one, and that is excellent news.

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I wonder why McLaren still doesn't use their traditional orange on their F1 cars now that they are a bit more independent from MB (sure they use it during pre-season testing but not in races). After all it's such a unique color and dates all the way back to 1960's when Bruce McLaren raced himself.
 
First review

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0-60mph - 3,0s

0-124mph - 8,9s

top speed - 205 mph


So how fast is it?

McLaren has kept the numbers secret until today. When the McLaren F1 first appeared it redefined fast, but the 12C accelerates even faster, and for a third of the price.

It gets to 60mph in three seconds flat, shading the F1 by two tenths, and is half a second faster to the benchmark 200kph (124mph) at just 8.9 seconds. Less power means its top speed isn't as high, but 205mph is hardly slow, beating the Ferrari by just 3mph. Privately, McLaren's engineers say that number is conservative.

I'd agree. On test, a couple of miles of clear, straight road saw the 12C easily hit a genuine 192mph. It was still pulling like a freight train; there was plainly lots more to come. The brawny turbocharged V8 delivers its grunt lower down the rev range than the highly strung Italian, and the sensation under full acceleration is closer to the mighty Veyron.

The McLaren is absurdly fast; you worry that you've crossed the line from fast to too fast, that your mind might not be able to keep up.

The gearbox has three modes; in maximum-attack track setting the shifts are incredible, each one virtually instantaneous but without being violent. The gearbox setting also controls the exhausts; in track mode you get the full hard, hollow howl as you home in on the 8,500rpm redline.

The way it stops is almost as impressive as the way it goes, and so is the way it corners. The radical new ProActive chassis control system delivers both near-flat cornering on fast roads or racetracks, and a limo-like ride on cratered urban Tarmac; they're usually mutually exclusive. And the handling is incredible, the 12C using the Brakesteer system, developed by McLaren for its F1 cars but banned by the sport's bosses, to gently brake the inside rear wheel through corners, sucking the nose tight into the apex.

The only real flaw we can find with the MP4-12C is its flawlessness. It's like a child prodigy; generally begotten by hyper-ambitious parents, staggering in its abilities, perfect in its behaviour, but oddly cool and aloof, and difficult to warm to.

Jenson Button drives the new British supercar McLaren MP4-12C | Mail Online
 
Considering its incredible 0-200km/h time, I find 0-400m and 0-1000m figures underestimated.

Based on 0-100km/h and 100-200km/h numbers, 400m trap speed should be about 220km/h (or even slightly above) and 1000m trap speed should be around 280km/h.

As it is, it is considerably faster than 458 Italia up to 200km/h, but only about as fast above 200km/h. (if we take the best test results for 458 - auto, automobilismo, automobile magazine, quattroroute)
 

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McLaren Automotive is a British luxury automotive manufacturer founded in 1985 as McLaren Cars and later re-introduced as McLaren Automotive in 2010. Based at the McLaren Technology Centre in Woking, England, the company's main products are sports cars, which are produced in-house in designated production facilities. In July 2017, McLaren Automotive became a wholly-owned subsidiary of the wider McLaren Group.
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