Huracán [2014-2024] [Official] Lamborghini Huracan STO

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[WBarnes]

How come the STO has 25lbft less than the Evo/Performante?

 

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[Bridster]

The track performance of this car - considering all the trouble they've gone through and the marketing that positions this as a derivative of their GT3 race car - continues to be exceedingly disappointing. This was supposed to be on the level of the AMG GT Black Series. Yet it's 2.7s slower around Lausitz and more than 5s around Hockenheim. What's more, it's only 0.9 faster around Lausitz than the regular Huracan Evo (and only 0.4s faster around Hockenheim, but there it gets the excuse that "it was too hot"). I don't understand how the car can lose ~80kg of weight and have "race car derived" aero and suspension and still be so slow. What kind of useless clown has engineered this car?

 

[bmwz4coupe]

The track performance of this car - considering all the trouble they've gone through and the marketing that positions this as a derivative of their GT3 race car - continues to be exceedingly disappointing. This was supposed to be on the level of the AMG GT Black Series. Yet it's 2.7s slower around Lausitz and more than 5s around Hockenheim. What's more, it's only 0.9 faster around Lausitz than the regular Huracan Evo (and only 0.4s faster around Hockenheim, but there it gets the excuse that "it was too hot"). I don't understand how the car can lose ~80kg of weight and have "race car derived" aero and suspension and still be so slow. What kind of useless clown has engineered this car?

I am sitting with the same feeling, I was expecting a clear performance jump from the Huracan Evo.
I can understand it is quite far behind the AMG GT B S (but not as much as 3-5 sec) because this one uses the extreme Cup 2 R tyres. The STO uses the new Bridgestone Potenza Race tyres which I initially thought would be similar to Cup 2 R, but it seems to me they have similar grip to normal Cup 2. But in this case they also have similar grip to the Trofeo R used in all Huracan tests, and with the race setup, downforce advantage and lower weight it should be much faster, which it isn’t.

 

[Centurion]

The track performance of this car - considering all the trouble they've gone through and the marketing that positions this as a derivative of their GT3 race car - continues to be exceedingly disappointing. This was supposed to be on the level of the AMG GT Black Series. Yet it's 2.7s slower around Lausitz and more than 5s around Hockenheim. What's more, it's only 0.9 faster around Lausitz than the regular Huracan Evo (and only 0.4s faster around Hockenheim, but there it gets the excuse that "it was too hot"). I don't understand how the car can lose ~80kg of weight and have "race car derived" aero and suspension and still be so slow. What kind of useless clown has engineered this car?

Fair points. However Lamborghini's a rarely herald as the best track cars. Sure they have the performance and capabilities but they not the best choice for outright performance or driver engagement.

 

[A.P.]

The track performance of this car - considering all the trouble they've gone through and the marketing that positions this as a derivative of their GT3 race car - continues to be exceedingly disappointing. This was supposed to be on the level of the AMG GT Black Series. Yet it's 2.7s slower around Lausitz and more than 5s around Hockenheim. What's more, it's only 0.9 faster around Lausitz than the regular Huracan Evo (and only 0.4s faster around Hockenheim, but there it gets the excuse that "it was too hot"). I don't understand how the car can lose ~80kg of weight and have "race car derived" aero and suspension and still be so slow. What kind of useless clown has engineered this car?

Tires, in this case they slow down the car a lot. I want to see it on Trofeo Rs or Cup 2 Rs.
It's actually slower than a Performante. lol

 

[WBarnes]

The track performance of this car - considering all the trouble they've gone through and the marketing that positions this as a derivative of their GT3 race car - continues to be exceedingly disappointing. This was supposed to be on the level of the AMG GT Black Series. Yet it's 2.7s slower around Lausitz and more than 5s around Hockenheim. What's more, it's only 0.9 faster around Lausitz than the regular Huracan Evo (and only 0.4s faster around Hockenheim, but there it gets the excuse that "it was too hot"). I don't understand how the car can lose ~80kg of weight and have "race car derived" aero and suspension and still be so slow. What kind of useless clown has engineered this car?

Some of the same points can be made for the 765LT's magazine performance though. Sometimes magazine laps just aren't the full story.

 

[Bridster]

Tires, in this case they slow down the car a lot. I want to see it on Trofeo Rs or Cup 2 Rs.
It's actually slower than a Performante. lol

I don't buy that. Lamborghini have had the relationship with Pirelli since I can remember. So there would be nothing easier than for the STO to wear Trofeo Rs - like all the other track focused Lamborghini models before that. The only reason why they would ever go with Bridgestone in the first place, would be to get a tire that has a performance beyond that of the Trofeo R. And if they really did put a tire on the car that's slower than the Trofeo R (which I don't believe for a second) then that just adds to the pantheon of failures.

Some of the same points can be made for the 765LT's magazine performance though. Sometimes magazine laps just aren't the full story.

It's not just magazine performance, though. Lamborghini had this insanely modified "production" STO on the Ring, with plexi windshield, taped air-intakes and air-vents, extra aero, 100+ octane race gas, etc, and even then they failed to get only just close to the AMG GT BS. Spotters clocked the car at around 6:50 (if I remember correctly) when it tried to go for the record - a time that Lamborghini wisely chose not to publish.

Perhaps these two laps are a fluke... and they better be... But even if they are, the gap to the AMG GT BS, never mind the older GT2RS, or the Senna, is so big that there is no way this car is ever gonna be as fast as those cars.

 

[bmwz4coupe]

Tires, in this case they slow down the car a lot. I want to see it on Trofeo Rs or Cup 2 Rs.
It's actually slower than a Performante. lol

There is a big difference between Trofeo R and Cup 2 R. Just for the record.

 

[WBarnes]

I don't buy that. Lamborghini have had the relationship with Pirelli since I can remember. So there would be nothing easier than for the STO to wear Trofeo Rs - like all the other track focused Lamborghini models before that. The only reason why they would ever go with Bridgestone in the first place, would be to get a tire that has a performance beyond that of the Trofeo R. And if they really did put a tire on the car that's slower than the Trofeo R (which I don't believe for a second) then that just adds to the pantheon of failures.

It's not just magazine performance, though. Lamborghini had this insanely modified "production" STO on the Ring, with plexi windshield, taped air-intakes and air-vents, extra aero, 100+ octane race gas, etc, and even then they failed to get only just close to the AMG GT BS. Spotters clocked the car at around 6:50 (if I remember correctly) when it tried to go for the record - a time that Lamborghini wisely chose not to publish.

Perhaps these two laps are a fluke... and they better be... But even if they are, the gap to the AMG GT BS, never mind the older GT2RS, or the Senna, is so big that there is no way this car is ever gonna be as fast as those cars.

All 'ring record cars are modded and the BS has an extra 100hp stock and both were on Cup 2 Rs.

 

[A.P.]

I don't buy that. Lamborghini have had the relationship with Pirelli since I can remember. So there would be nothing easier than for the STO to wear Trofeo Rs - like all the other track focused Lamborghini models before that. The only reason why they would ever go with Bridgestone in the first place, would be to get a tire that has a performance beyond that of the Trofeo R. And if they really did put a tire on the car that's slower than the Trofeo R (which I don't believe for a second) then that just adds to the pantheon of failures.

It's not just magazine performance, though. Lamborghini had this insanely modified "production" STO on the Ring, with plexi windshield, taped air-intakes and air-vents, extra aero, 100+ octane race gas, etc, and even then they failed to get only just close to the AMG GT BS. Spotters clocked the car at around 6:50 (if I remember correctly) when it tried to go for the record - a time that Lamborghini wisely chose not to publish.

Perhaps these two laps are a fluke... and they better be... But even if they are, the gap to the AMG GT BS, never mind the older GT2RS, or the Senna, is so big that there is no way this car is ever gonna be as fast as those cars.

How do you 100% know it was a record attempt? Just curious. Looked like a normal test session and not a record run to me (no sensors or cameras attached to the car like on the SVJ and Performante)

Lamborghini wanted tires that were supposedly as fast as Cup 2 Rs, Bridgestone approached, they took the deal, turns out NOW that the tires didn't live up to expectations. What's there not to understand?

And are you implying that STO is a failure?

Because even this guy thinks it is amazing.

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[Switar]

1.46 is a disappointing lap time, a totally stock GT 3 stopped the clock in 1.41 with a professional rider

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[WBarnes]

1.46 is a disappointing lap time, a totally stock GT 3 stopped the clock in 1.41 with a professional rider

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But a pro driver also lapped faster in a GT3 RS than a magazine driver with a GT2 RS elsewhere.

 

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[Bridster]

How do you 100% know it was a record attempt? Just curious. Looked like a normal test session and not a record run to me (no sensors or cameras attached to the car like on the SVJ and Performante)

Lamborghini wanted tires that were supposedly as fast as Cup 2 Rs, Bridgestone approached, they took the deal, turns out NOW that the tires didn't live up to expectations. What's there not to understand?

And are you implying that STO is a failure?

Because even this guy thinks it is amazing.

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It wasn't a test session. Test sessions are done during "industry pool". They did it during the official "notarized session" - which you do for record attempts.

It's an engineering failure in my view, yeah. The car still might be amazing to drive, etc, but name one mainstream supercar that isn't. And they have the numbers too. There is just no reason it should be slower around a track than a GT3 that has less power. Is the GT3 also not amazing to drive? The difference is that it can also hold its own when stopwatches are out. And as for the tires, I don't think it works like that. There is development time and the tire gets tested on the car constantly. It's not like one day Bridgestone dropped a big "oops" in their lap or something. And even if that did happen, it's still Lamborghini who picked an unreliable tire supplier in that case - so still all their fault.

 

[Bridster]

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