F-Type [Official] Jaguar F-Type

[Levi68]

I've watched it repeatedly now and at first I thought I saw the four pots on the block but now I've not so sure.

I'm not sure either, what is really is.

The fourth pot is quadrate instead of round, if it really is a fourth pot.

 

[martinbo]

What a fascinating turn of information. I haven't been this intrigued in ages.

No question there are just six cylinders In those images, but... There's something suspicious looking in those V6 cylinder blocks - so much dead space - and I can't help but feel that Kilcrohane is on to something significant. If the story around the V6 is as he says it is, then long may the JLR intrigue continue. I love learning new stuff about cars.

 

[Deckhook]

^When I found that picture of the v6 crank, con rods and pistons I instantly thought to myself there was a lot of dead space between last set of pistons and the end of the crank. So yes he is on to something there but its the vile way he delivers his posts that turns most of us off, there's dislike and then there's obsessive hatred.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

What a fascinating turn of information. I haven't been this intrigued in ages.

No question there are just six cylinders In those images, but... There's something suspicious looking in those V6 cylinder blocks - so much dead space - and I can't help but feel that Kilcrohane is on to something significant. If the story around the V6 is as he says it is, then long may the JLR intrigue continue. I love learning new stuff about cars.

I'm genuinely interested too, but the way the "useful" and "interesting" info is buried in so much vitriolic hyperbole means I just switch off and so do several others. I really wish he would just present facts instead of making every post a tirade that some people just cannot be bothered to wade through. I think I have a valid point.

His message would be read by many more if he heeded this advice. I've said it several times before but I don't think Kilcrohane is the sort of character who will listen to advice from others.

 

[Sayyaaf]

^When I found that picture of the v6 crank, con rods and pistons I instantly thought to myself there was a lot of dead space between last set of pistons and the end of the crank. So yes he is on to something there but its the vile way he delivers his posts that turns most of us off, there's dislike and then there's obsessive hatred.

Truth is truth. Maybe he is much later stages of JLR-hate syndrome (where it just started with me )

Fascinating to say the least.

 

[Sayyaaf]

I'm genuinely interested too, but the way the "useful" and "interesting" info is buried in so much vitriolic hyperbole means I just switch off and so do several others. I really wish he would just present facts instead of making every post a tirade that some people just cannot be bothered to wade through. I think I have a valid point.

His message would be read by many more if he heeded this advice. I've said it several times before but I don't think Kilcrohane is the sort of character who will listen to advice from others.

I couldn't careless about him listening to some advice. But I guarantee you, he adds much more value than others who just ignite fanboy wars.

 

[Deckhook]

Truth is truth. Maybe he is much later stages of JLR-hate syndrome (where it just started with me )

Fascinating to say the least.

I had a very happy time with my Jag and wouldn't think twice of repeating that purchase, in fact I've had much worst experiences with both Audi and BMW yet I still continue to buy them.

 

[Sayyaaf]

I had a very happy time with my Jag and wouldn't think twice of repeating that purchase, in fact I've had much worst experiences with both Audi and BMW yet I still continue to buy them.

you need to start explaining if you are happy "after sales" wise or from the product itself being less trouble.

 

[Deckhook]

you need to start explaining if you are happy "after sales" wise or from the product itself being less trouble.

I deal with Charles Hurst who have a list of showrooms supplying everything from Renaults up to Ferrari's and Bentleys so yes I was extremely happy with how I was treated after sales wise. I've yet to experience shit service from any of the quality brand dealerships in N.Ireland, maybe over here they are very professional.

My XF had one fault during its time with me where it went into limp home mode which fixed itself on restart of engine, I can't quite remember the cause of this but it was a know fault at the time and there was a recall which mine was due in for, this was dealt with in an afternoon where they collected my car from my work and returned before closing. I've at times had more faults with some of my Audis and BMWs but again each time they've been sorted quickly and professionally.

I'm of the opinion that if the standard of treatment vary greatly from dealership to dealership then the problem is not with the brand but with the piss poorly run privately owned franchise.

 

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[Sunny]

I'm not sure either, what is really is.

The fourth pot is quadrate instead of round, if it really is a fourth pot.

To me, it looks like the block (like Kilcrohane claims) is same as the V8 block with nothing lopped off or shortened and it even has the space for the 4th pot or hole or whatever you want to call it where the 4th cylinder would go, except there is no cylinder there but instead there is some thing rectangular.

I don't know if this is regular practice to use the same casting for the block of a smaller engine that is derived from a bigger ngine. I never hard of it. I know S65 which is derived from S85 definitely has a shorter block than S85. Would be interesting to look at other examples.

 

[Kilcrohane]

^ Look, re. the foregoing, it's really quite simple, there must be someone out there reading Germancarforum who's in a position to comment definitively - probably through working directly for JLR or a castings supplier or suchlike.

The fact that this rumour has been kicking around now for about a year, and it appears no one has come forward from JLR officially or in a semi-official capacity through a website like GCF, Pistonheads, XFforums etc. to immediately quash it inclines me to think it must be true, as the potential otherwise for damage to JLR's oh so carefully constructed image is so great.

Back to the F-type itself, serial Jaguar owner, Jag enthusiast and XFforum contributor 'Baron95' sums it up best:

F-type vs New Porsche Cayman - Page 11

Originally Posted by laXF
EVO's complete track test results:

Boxster S - 1:24.2
F-Type V8 S - 1:25.2
F-Type V6 S - 1:27.2

This is a complete rout. Porsche's entry level sports car with 315HP is a full second faster than Jaguar's top of the line 500HP "pure sports car and 911 competitor" F-type V8S!!!!!!

Not even 185 HP (60% more horsepower) could make up the dynamic capabilities deficit!!!!! This is even worse than I thought.

And the 315HP Boxster S is Three SECONDS (an eternity on a 85 sec track) faster than Jaguar's 380HP F-type V6S!!!! That means if you are doing track days, you get lapped by the Boxster S after less than 30 laps!!! Even with 20% more HP!!!!

This is an embarrassment. Porsche doesn't even need the 911, not even the Cayman to mop the floor with Jaguar's best. The disdained and dismissed entry level Boxster is enough to slaughter it.

Three seconds slower than the Boxster!!!!! For crying out loud.

Lastly, remember the op-ed piece on Carscoops on the F-type:

Well, the Jaguar fanboys and shills have attacked the heretical writer of the piece, Andreas Tsaousis, with all their paid might for daring to question the religion of the Jaguar deity, but Mr Tsaousis defends himself against the foaming mouth hordes:

First of all, it's an op-ed. This means it's an opinion article. You may agree or disagree with it and it's perfectly fine with me, really, as I appreciate criticism and the time people spend in reading and then writing their own opinion.

I simply stated that, for me, the F-Type doesn't look like the sort of sports car its maker, and most of the media, have hyped it up to be, never mind an E-type "successor".

As for the 911 comparison, a front-engined, rear-wheel drive car is inherently more balanced than one with its engine behind the rear axle. It really baffles me how Jaguar managed to not beat the 911 on driving dynamics - and I believe both Tiff and Sutcliffe are more than experienced to judge that.

BTW, it loses to the Boxster, too and is beaten on driving dynamics by the six-year old Audi R8 Spyder on two different comparison tests by respected publications.

and

"Jag haters"? Far from it. I've been waiting for Jaguar to return to form for ages, only to be disappointed to find it lagging behind its rivals.

If a brand-new, high-tech sports car can't beat the model that, by its creators' own admission, it's been designed to upstage then something's not quite right, don't you agree?

Beauty is certainly in the eye of the beholder. That said, I stand by my point: the F-Type is by no means ugly, just incoherent.

 

[Levi68]

I have compassion for 'Baron95'. I am in exactly the same situation in regards to Alfa Romeo.

 

[Sayyaaf]

Lets wait for more tests shall we?

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Let me get this straight. Car manufacturer hypes up their new product. The Porsche is better.

This is a major shock.

 

[Levi68]

Let me get this straight. Car manufacturer hypes up their new product. The Porsche is better.

This is a major shock.

By default? I don't think. By effort.

 

[Deckhook]

Let me get this straight. Car manufacturer hypes up their new product. The Porsche is better.

This is a major shock.

As an allout sportscar I don't think anyone does it as well as Porsche but they aren't perfect, well not in my eyes because they are all tiring on long journeys due to the amount of road noise and engine drone they produce. Also as I'm getting older whilst the ride fine on normal roads I find it a compromise too far on poorly maintained British B roads.

Which is why I reckon the Jaguar would probably appeal to me more now, as long as it is still able to entertain which by all accounts it does and does well then who cares if it can't quite match Porsche's dizzy heights as I and probably the majority of customers would never push them to find this out. In my opinion the objective of a sportscar is to entertain and not set lap times, that's what we have track day cars for.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

By default? I don't think. By effort.

You never fail to miss the point do you?

I was being sarcastic. Jaguar obviously try to hype up their new car.

The fact that the Porsche is deemed better is hardly a surprise as they're generally fantastic cars.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

By default? I don't think. By effort.

You never fail to miss the point do you?

I was being sarcastic. Jaguar obviously try to hype up their new car.

The fact that the Porsche is deemed better is hardly a surprise as they're generally fantastic cars.

 

[Merc1]

Question, did Jaguar every really say that this was a Boxster or 911 competitor directly? I ask because to me, the F-Type seems to sit in between both cars, or if anything it is closer to the 911 in may ways, but not quite in performance???


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