M3/M4 Official: BMW M3 GTS

[south]

Will it have the M badge?.

Yes, it will.


Best regards,
south

 

[chonkoa]

Dr Segler sure knows the noble art of speaking without saying anything

Well, that said, he actually almost did say something at the end!

Thanks EnI.

He "actually almost did say" I will add that he did say something, the fundamental question is - when?
When are we going to see an M car below the M3 excluding the Z series of course.

 

[Deleted member 25]

How much torque for the engine ? Btw can you order it in another color ? And of course billions of congrats to adEvoo

Edit: apparently they will produce 30 units/year, Alu rims are directly from BBS, you have to pick it up from Munchen and ceramic brakes option could be included, Orange will be the only avialable color for 2010 at least.

 

[Wunderkind]

I think the Porsche 911 GT3 is the better choice.

It is cheaper too

 

[NarutoRamen]

HOLY CRAP. I'm missing for a few days and all this goes down. Not only is this badass M3 released, but one of our members is getting one. DAMN!

Congrats on the Pre-Purchase Ad. Hopefully everything works out and you get this.

 

[Mr Robert]

I think the Porsche 911 GT3 is the better choice.

It is cheaper too

It might be a better choise, that we do not know, unless one has already decided that it is.

In what market is a GT3 with shell seats and ceramic brakes cheaper? We only know for the German market and there such a GT3 would be about €15k more. Even the base price is a coupe of €k more.

 

[Wunderkind]

It might be a better choise, that we do not know, unless one has already decided that it is.

In what market is a GT3 with shell seats and ceramic brakes cheaper? We only know for the German market and there such a GT3 would be about €15k more. Even the base price is a coupe of €k more.

You might be right

The 911GT3 is around €116,000 in Germany (without ceramic brakes).

The M3GTS will be around €115,000 according to an earlier post (the Segler interview) in "standard configuration".

The six-point harness in the M3GTS is not nice in actual use. The standard three-point seatbelt is much better. Ever try winding down the window to pay the tunnel/turnpike toll?

I'd still take the Porsche

 

[Mr Robert]

Haha, I think the tolls will have to wait

I think those €115,000 could easily soar, should the buyer get going on making special orders...

 

[S'Pimp]

newest AMS got interview with Kay Segler:

ams : how much of these collecter's item want to sell you?
Segler : If we end with 99, I would not be unfortunate.

 

[EnI]

They are able to build 25-30 cars per year. Since the cars are built in Motorsport garage.

And M3 / E92 is somewhere in the middle of its lifecycle. So, around 100 units built is a reasonable figure / plan.

To me such figure shows the car availability is VERY limited. And I'm eager to see how many BMW aficionados are willing to pay 115+k Euros for such a car.

 

[Mr Robert]

It sure is limited. But it is there

 

[Centurion]

And I'm eager to see how many BMW aficionados are willing to pay 115+k Euros for such a car.

A limited run of 100 cars is fair as it would be hard for BMW to find more than 100 who crave a 115k 3-Series, especially when the fantastic 911 GT3 can be had for the same money. However, there are probably a handful of hardcore BMW enthusiasts, Nurburgring dwellers or wealthy car collectors who will happily buy this car. BMW will probably not be too obsessive over demanding figures for this car as it is more of an M-Motorsport enhancer than a product extension developed to boost revenue -- sort of like the CLK DTM which had an astronomical price tag but had no problems selling in quantities of 100 for the coupe and 80 for the convertible. It sold out in no time.

 

[martinbo]

Let me guess, this internet forum trump card won't even be available in right hand drive.

I far, far prefer the regular M3 - heck, give it to me in E90 guise even - it's much more relevant to me.

 

[Sunny]

A limited run of 100 cars is fair as it would be hard for BMW to find more than 100 who crave a 115k 3-Series, especially when the fantastic 911 GT3 can be had for the same money. However, there are probably a handful of hardcore BMW enthusiasts, Nurburgring dwellers or wealthy car collectors who will happily buy this car. BMW will probably not be too obsessive over demanding figures for this car as it is more of an M-Motorsport enhancer than a product extension developed to boost revenue -- sort of like the CLK DTM which had an astronomical price tag but had no problems selling in quantities of 100 for the coupe and 80 for the convertible. It sold out in no time.

Difference is, this will probably perform similar if not better than other 115k cars, while the CLK DTM is a super expensive dud.

 

[Zafiro]

Not happy with orange? easy to fix - make a paint job!

 

[AdvEvo]

I drove 996 gt3 and 997 GT3 and RS on road did some slides on track.

Today have raced a 997 GT3 cup car.

I much much rather have the balance a bmw m3 have where you can manage the balance with on and off throttle. That s just so much more fun then a porsche GT3.

A porsche needs to be driven totally different.

Brake late steer into a corner wait wait wait wait wait (otherwise you have understeer)and at last you can floor the throttle again to power out of corners.

Driving with a GT3 cup feels like youre carry youre grandma in the back if you compare it to an M3 balance wise.

I am not gonna buy me GT3 ever
today i have found out it s not my cup of tea.

Times i drove with it was awesome i adapted to the gt3 drivingstyle within a few laps and doing the same times other porsche drivers did who have driven them for long time.

But i have more fun with an M3 drivingstyle wise on road and track.

So thats my point of view about the GT3.

 

[klier]

It's good you waited then. I had an exam on the day of your 130i race in Assen, but when you have the GTS, I am coming no matter what.

 

[Ultimate Car Guy]

Let me guess, this internet forum trump card won't even be available in right hand drive.

I far, far prefer the regular M3 - heck, give it to me in E90 guise even - it's much more relevant to me.

With numbers of around 100, i think it would be logical to assume that a RHD conversion would not be viable.

I don't think it matters anyway. I highly doubt you'd be able to register this car in a lot of markets. If you are one of the lucky 100 to purchase one, you would probably only ever use it on track days given that it lacks the practicality and comforts demanded of everyday use. If this is the case, then LHD/RHD doesn't really matter.

 

[martinbo]

Sure, I recognise that - the only point I'm raising is about this car's ultimate relevance.

The cool thing about a CSL was that it made a good road and a great track car. Similarly, a 911 GT3 and GT3 RS will do too - and all of the aforementioned were/are available in RHD. Relevance? Well, if one should be in the fortunate position to import an M3 GTS into SA, it would be solely for track work as the car can't be licensed for road use. Legislation down here prevents the registration of LHD vehicles younger than a certain age.

I'm absolutely certain that this GTS will be a spectacular performer around a circuit but this doesn't change the fact that this car is the sole preserve of only the most fanatical of BMW customers who truly do have the means. I suppose BMW Motorsport had some spare cash lying around in the 2010 Formula One budget before it got axed.

Will I get as excited about this car as I did the CSL? Not even close.

 

[Mr Robert]

What is it, other than the SA reasons, that could make it so hard to get this car registered?

I agree, the CSL was a gem and I think it will prove to be the more relevant one. Furthermore, why would they not build RHD vehicles? The UK was a monster market for the CSL...