Valkyrie [Official] Aston Martin - From AM-RB 001 to Valkyrie

[Centurion]

The above car with only 112 miles sold below list price yesterday. Including options, the owner took a £800,000 hit.

The same thing happened to a Lamborghini Fenomeno sold during a Swiss sotherby auction last month.

Meanwhile Ferreri enzos with well over a thousand mile sell for £3-4m

 

[KiwiRob]

It's chalk and cheese, an Enzo could be driven to the shops for a loaf of bread and a carton of milk, the Valkyrie isn't that kind of car, the market for each owner if they use them how the manufacturer intended them to be used is completely different.

 

[Centurion]

It's chalk and cheese, an Enzo could be driven to the shops for a loaf of bread and a carton of milk, the Valkyrie isn't that kind of car, the market for each owner if they use them how the manufacturer intended them to be used is completely different.

A Laf FXX sold at the auction for 2.5x the price of the Valkyrie. Eitherway it’s interesting to see how much more demand flagship Ferrari cars have even than limited run Lambo and Astons, even when the Ferrari production numbers are greater.

 

[A.P.]

A Laf FXX sold at the auction for 2.5x the price of the Valkyrie. Eitherway it’s interesting to see how much more demand flagship Ferrari cars have even than limited run Lambo and Astons, even when the Ferrari production numbers are greater.

With FXX K you also get a whole customer program included and other accessories, not really a fair comparison. Aston is almost comparable to the 918 when it came out, price wise depreciated for the moment. I believe only Veneno has gone for Ferrari flagship money from the one-off Lambos. P1 GTR did also terribly, and it came out during the same era as FXX K.

 

[Revvd]

This Valkyrie Spider also got sold bellow list price recently. It had £237,500 worth of bespoke options.

 

[KiwiRob]

A Laf FXX sold at the auction for 2.5x the price of the Valkyrie. Eitherway it’s interesting to see how much more demand flagship Ferrari cars have even than limited run Lambo and Astons, even when the Ferrari production numbers are greater.

How much do you have to pay Lanzante or someone like them to make your FXX street legal?

 

[Centurion]

This Valkyrie Spider also got sold bellow list price recently. It had £237,500 worth of bespoke options.

As an Andrian Newey car I would have expected valkyries to resell well over list, especially as you likely had to spend a small fortune on buying other Aston models.

However, auctions always show what the market is willing to pay for an asset.

 

[Revvd]

As an Andrian Newey car I would have expected valkyries to resell well over list, especially as you likely had to spend a small fortune on buying other Aston models.

However, auctions always show what the market is willing to pay for an asset.

I imagine it would hold value a lot better had Newey not solid-mounted the engine to the monocoque, creating an aural torture device. That's quite a big barrier to enjoying its good side.

 

[Swissbob]

I imagine it would hold value a lot better had Newey not solid-mounted the engine to the monocoque, creating an aural torture device. That's quite a big barrier to enjoying its good side.

I read headphones are a must because it’s too loud.

That’s ridiculous.

 

[Revvd]

I read headphones are a must because it’s too loud.

That’s ridiculous.

Even then it's not enough

James Taylor (evo UK):

Chris Harris with the double ANC technique:

 

[Swissbob]

That explains the low mileage of the cars.

I understand sportscars cars which are loud whet you drive them pedal to the metal.

But when you’re driving slowly, cruising along, you want a pleasant experience.

 

[Centurion]

I imagine it would hold value a lot better had Newey not solid-mounted the engine to the monocoque, creating an aural torture device. That's quite a big barrier to enjoying its good side.

AMG One cabin isn't quiet either!

 

[KiwiRob]

I imagine it would hold value a lot better had Newey not solid-mounted the engine to the monocoque, creating an aural torture device. That's quite a big barrier to enjoying its good side.

The Ferrari F50 also has it's engine bolted directly to the monocoque, I haven't seen anyone driving one with headphones.

 

[Centurion]

Valkyrie is not a hyper car. It's a formula 1 car for the road which is fine.

The valhalla will be a hypercar in a user friendly sense.

 

[Revvd]

The Ferrari F50 also has it's engine bolted directly to the monocoque, I haven't seen anyone driving one with headphones.

I don't know why there's such a big difference in NVH between these two solid mounted engines. It could be the amount of sound insulation, the type of valve train (F50 has chain, Valkyrie has gears), or the presence of the hydraulic pump / electric motor. Maybe it's the combination of all of the above...

While the F50 might not require hearing protectors, it's still noisy and harsh compared to other supercars:

"A road-going Ferrari with the V12 engine from a Formula 1 car bolted in the back. Except as it turned out it didn't feel bolted in the back. It felt bolted to your back. As a result, the abiding memory for anyone who drove an F50 wasn't the ferocious acceleration or the 200 mph top speed. It was the sense that you'd had a furiously spinning washing machine full of bricks hammering directly into your most sensitive pain receptors."

- Jeremy Clarkson

"Even by Enzo standards, the F50 feels raw, thrilling and utterly focused. In some ways, it seems like a scaled-up, smooth-bodied Caterham - uncompromisingly hard, noisy and mechanical but shockingly honest and communicative, too.
...
I'm sure that anyone unfamiliar with Ferrari's heritage stepping directly from LaFerrari would be horrified by the vibration and harshness. The game has moved on."

- David Vivian

 

[Moctecus]

I don't know why there's such a big difference in NVH between these two solid mounted engines. It could be the amount of sound insulation, the type of valve train (F50 has chain, Valkyrie has gears), or the presence of the hydraulic pump / electric motor. Maybe it's the combination of all of the above...

The F50 engine also has a cast iron block vs the all-alloy Cosworth RA.

 

[Revvd]

The F50 engine also has a cast iron block vs the all-alloy Cosworth RA.

Good point! Maybe that's the difference maker.

 

[Swissbob]

Does anybody knows If the Valkyrie has straight cut gears, may be even in the transmission?

 

[KiwiRob]

I don't know why there's such a big difference in NVH between these two solid mounted engines. It could be the amount of sound insulation, the type of valve train (F50 has chain, Valkyrie has gears), or the presence of the hydraulic pump / electric motor. Maybe it's the combination of all of the above...

While the F50 might not require hearing protectors, it's still noisy and harsh compared to other supercars:


- Jeremy Clarkson


- David Vivian

I said driving with headphones, neither Clarkson nor Vivian said they needed headphones.

 

[Revvd]

Does anybody knows If the Valkyrie has straight cut gears, may be even in the transmission?

In valvetrain - most likely yes. In transmission - definitely not.

I said driving with headphones, neither Clarkson nor Vivian said they needed headphones.

It's just to clarify F50 still has NVH faults.