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BMWFREAK said:
, especially the classic way of black and white development.

What is contact printing Roberto?
Hello Mike,

a contact print is where you place the negative (or transparency) directly against the photographic paper (rather than project the image onto the paper) -- if you look at photographs from the early twentieth century, you might notice how shaprly in focus they appear to be, this is usually because those images were contact printed -- the print is the same size as the actual negative.

The quality of images photographed on such large sheets of film is superior to anything digital technology can yet match ...but in time I have no doubt that will change ....but it is some time away yet.

Large format film comes as sheets (rather than rolls) and several different sizes are available -- 5X7" is probably the most common size.



The cameras look really ancient and are technically quite simple -- a bellows with a lens at one end and a film holder at the other end, the shutter is in the lens. You focus the image on the large glass screen (the picture is upside-down and reversed) when you are ready to take the photograph you cock the lens shutter and slide the film holder into place -- remove it's "dark slide" (the screen that covers the film on the film holder) and press the shutter release.



As you can see these cameras are rather cumbersome and require a lot of patience, they are not for snapshots -- these are cameras for serious portraiture or high-end commercial use-- these are the types of cameras used by people like Richard Avedon, Annie Liebowitz, or Robert Mapplethorpe. They are generally not very suitable for on-location work -- for that you would be better to use a large-format field camera like the one below. It looks like something from the distant past but this is very much a professional camera at a very high level -- the lenses made for these types of cameras are among the best available.






Of course most of these types of view cameras are also compatible with digital accessories -- like this Sinar -- the bellows allows the photographer to manipulate the perspective of an image -- this can be vital for professional architectural photography.

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Here is a photograph (of a photograph) by Richard Avedon -- you can see the benefit of such large film when you blow the image up to poster size -- the detail and sharpness is quite extraordinary. I like the way they didn't crop the edges of the film when they printed the image (you can see the edge of the film on the print) -- there's a kind of raw honesty about it.
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And finally, this is a self portrait by Richard Avedon -- in it he is holding up a negative of a photograph of himself -- you can see how large the sheets of film he uses are ..no wonder his images are so sharp and life-like when blown-up to poster size.
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These look like classic cameras. Interesting to see how they have been around for such a long time.

The biggest debate between actual photography and digital is something I have asked my brother many times. He has told me that we are not there yet when it comes to the correct reproduciton of things and digital techonology, however, like you said we will get there. I am just wondering, what resolution will we have to get to in order to duplicate or out do typical photography? I am referring to it as 'typical photography' but is there a correct or proper way of referring to it?

The cameras you have shown are reminicent, if not the same, of the ones that I saw growing up when my parents took me to take portraits. Are they the same? hmmmm
 
BMWFREAK said:
The cameras you have shown are reminicent, if not the same, of the ones that I saw growing up when my parents took me to take portraits. Are they the same? hmmmm
Highly likely Mike, they are often used for studio portraiture. However, medium-format cameras are much more commonly used (Hasselblad, Mamiya, Rollei, etc..) -- these are far more versatile cameras.



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I'm sorry Mike, I completely hijacked your thread :)
 
Roberto, if you go to Nautica.com you will see a opening that a photography is taking pictures of a model. Do you know what camera that is? Looks similiar to the ones you posted.

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Go into the north american one
 
Yes Mike, I am almost certain it is a Mamiya RZ67 like the one I posted above -- it might be an earlier model but I'm certain it is a Mamiya ....or it is possibly a Bronica (The Bronica brand no longer exists but they are still quite widely used) -- it is definately a medium-format camera -- but not a Hasselblad and I'm sure it's not a Rollei.

-- this is common practice for fashion photography -- the film magazine (or digital back) is removed and a Polaroid back is used. Polaroids are often used to see what the image will look like on film before they start shooting actual film. Even with such sophisticated digital technology available, for top-quality image quality medium-format or large format film is still superior. The Mamiya offers images on a negative or transparency (slide film) of 6X7cm -- which offers excellent image quality.

These medium-format (roll film) cameras are the most commonly used camera type for commercial (non journalism) photography ... although they are sometimes used by journalists too. The lenses, camera backs, viewfinders, are all interchangeable and a large array of accessories is available.

A couple of very well respected professional medium-format cameras are the Pentax 645 and the Pentax 67. They both offer a wide range of high-quality accessories but do not offer interchangeble film/digital backs -- they are essentially like large 35mm cameras.

Pentax 645N II (using 120/220 medium-format roll film producing negatives (or slides) measuring 6x4.5cm) Mamiya make a very nice auto-focus camera in this format with interchangeable camera backs.(see below)


Silvestri professional large-format camera -- it is also of course able to shoot digital.
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I really enjoyed reading this thread and the continuation. I am impressed by Roberto's knowledge of cameras and their use.

His description of contact printing took me back many years. Had my own darkroom in highschool and did all contact printing until I got an enlarger. Mixed my own developer and hypo and even had a little rig that you ran your images throught to dry them and make them glossy. Developed roll film in a little can type affair with a spinner on top to agitate it.

In the Navy the 4x5 Speed Graphic was the workhorse and also the 4x5 View Camera...much like those shown by Roberto. Instead of single sheets of file, they also made Film Packs of 12 or so...you pulled a paper tab and the exposed image was moved to the back and then in the darkroom you would load them into file racks for developing. Great memories...
 
NevadaJack said:
exposed image was moved to the back and then in the darkroom you would load them into file racks for developing. Great memories...

Speaking about memories and dark rooms I used to do a lot of 35mm film work in my school. There is simply nothing like producing your very own photographs. Today with this whole techonlogical move, we tend to probably forget the work that went into the photographs we took. Wow! Just amazing! I guess the relation can be put just with the cell phones. Some people can simply say: 'wow! I remember back in the day whe we had no cell phones and we lived.' I guess the same can be said about the LCD's that are found in our cameras today. You can actually see the picture you took! :D
 
NevadaJack said:
In the Navy the 4x5 Speed Graphic was the workhorse and also the 4x5 View Camera...much like those shown by Roberto. Instead of single sheets of file, they also made Film Packs of 12 or so...you pulled a paper tab and the exposed image was moved to the back and then in the darkroom you would load them into file racks for developing. Great memories...
Kodak and Fuji make pre-loaded film that use there own dedicated film holders. The Fuji Quickload holds one sheet of 4x5" film and the Kodak Readyload hold two sheets of 4x5" film -- otherwise you have to load the film yourself into regular film holders that usually hold two sheets of film. Interesting what you said about those film packs Jack.

Pre-loaded film and their dedicated film holders.
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Roberto said:
Kodak and Fuji make pre-loaded film that use there own dedicated film holders. The Fuji Quickload holds one sheet of 4x5" film and the Kodak Readyload hold two sheets of 4x5" film -- otherwise you have to load the film yourself into regular film holders that usually hold two sheets of film. Interesting what you said about those film packs Jack.

Pre-loaded film and their dedicated film holders.
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Had not seen any of the modern versions...

The film holders we used held two sheets, one on each side and a "dark slide" protected it from exposure. Many shots were lost from time to time because the photographer if rushed would forget to "pull the darkslide" and the metal slide would not develop to easily...:-)

The film packs were much thinner film than used in the holders. The tabs would flutter in the breeze as you used more and more of the pack. In the darkroom you had to remove the paper tab from the film and then load the thin film into the film rack for development.
 
NevadaJack said:
The film holders we used held two sheets, one on each side and a "dark slide" protected it from exposure.
Yep ...it's still done the same way today Jack ;)
 

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