Next generation 6 a true sportscar?

[klier]

Mk3 6er is NOT a part of BMW-Toyota collaboration. Scott, what are you smoking?

Mk3 6er will utilize the BMW "35up" RWD/AWD platform. And will still be a GT - very in-line with the upcoming next ge. 7er & 5er. Just like the current one.

I was thinking this the whole time. It makes zero sense when you already have a platform available.

6er will be half 5er, half 7er and 0 % Toyota. Exactly like the current 6er, but much lighter.

 

[EnI]

but much lighter.

Much? Not really. It will be a bit lighter but not that much. The whole point is the intelligent weight distribution (eg. using CFRP parts to lower the center of gravity, to eliminate some loads on suspension, to give the frame extra rigidity etc). That's the plan. Make the cars based on "35up" platform a bit lighter - but more importantly: distribute the weight load more efficiently so the cars will handle & ride better.

 

[SCOTT27]

Umm it is.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Yet another example of BMW insiders posting "information" as if they're experts. You can't both be correct.

 

[Mr Robert]

Mk3 6er is NOT a part of BMW-Toyota collaboration. Scott, what are you smoking?

Mk3 6er will utilize the BMW "35up" RWD/AWD platform. And will still be a GT - very in-line with the upcoming next ge. 7er & 5er. Just like the current one.

So, are you thinking more in the line of Z6, then? Also a 6er, but in another way and more fitting, sans the "GT" part, of course.

 

[EnI]

Umm it is.

No, it is not. Not according to my sources. 6er will continue to be what already it is. It's positioned well. The Toyota-BMW sport car will be a member of the "Z" family.

 

[klier]

Sounds logical, the 6er is a major cash cow. They are not going to scew with this winning formula, where they even have all the parts from 5er and 7er free to use..

 

[SCOTT27]

The 6er is not part of 35up. As tied in to the launch of the G11 , and then the G30. The 6er is with another department.
Not everything is revealed at once. The 6er is still relatively new although a minor refresh is due soon.

There are discussions on having the next 4er align with the next RC.

 

[Mark]

Reading about this Toyota/BMW 'sharing' is heartbreaking enough to hear the next Z3 will be sharing development and/or parts with Toyota... No offense to Toyota, but as a car fanatic and purist when I also read these news about the next 6er being also part of this sharing program with them I feel like throwing up. This is awful news. Just awful!!

Please @EnI, @SCOTT27 tell me it isn't true!

 

[SCOTT27]

The simple reason for why BMW are positioning the 6er at a more sportier direct level is that they are making room for something else at the top that will be part of 35up.

 

[Rainer271]

The simple reason for why BMW are positioning the 6er at a more sportier direct level is that they are making room for something else at the top that will be part of 35up.

Is this speculation or a statement?

 

[MINISPDR]

The simple reason for why BMW are positioning the 6er at a more sportier direct level is that they are making room for something else at the top that will be part of 35up.

F88?

 

[Giannis]

The 6er is not part of 35up. As tied in to the launch of the G11 , and then the G30. The 6er is with another department.
Not everything is revealed at once. The 6er is still relatively new although a minor refresh is due soon.

So you are telling us that despite BMW tries so hard (that has ruined many things in the process) to end up with one FWD and one RWD platform, they will base the 6er on a different platform? This doesn't make sense.

 

[KiwiRob]

let's see, toyota built the LFA which will contribute a lot with watered down tech and they got a 988 HP LMP car on their side

To my mind BMW have never built a true sports car either, Toyota on the other hand has built many, I see Toyota taking the lead in this project with BMW as the junior partner. BTW BMW has never built anything remotely close to the LFA.

 

[SCOTT27]

So you are telling us that despite BMW tries so hard (that has ruined many things in the process) to end up with one FWD and one RWD platform, they will base the 6er on a different platform? This doesn't make sense.

It makes perfect sense when you think of the current news relating to Munich about cutting costs.
Right away they cut back to specific architectures for FWD and RWD that will cover MINI,BMW and Rolls-Royce Motor cars. Then you have the joint strategy with Toyota on another architecture which will cover the sportier models , this shares the cost equally between development partners and allows further innovation such as electric-hybrid technology to be a used as a cost-effective feature for certain applications.

 

[Giannis]

It makes perfect sense

If I recall correctly, the joint strategy with Toyota was about a small sportscar for the Z family, not a large 4door saloon that up to now is based on the 5er, just like the MB's competitor is based on the E and Audi's is based on the A6.

The most alarming thing, on top of that, is that you don't agree with EnI. That is was makes no sense

 

[Deleted member 1071]

BMW/Toyota collaboration=Z6 ?? Perhaps this is the "sportcar" that is rumored to be the "911/AMG GT-rival new 6". 8 series= "Halo" luxury, S-Coupe rival large 4 seat GT 2 door coupe/cabriolet + 4 door coupe ? And the "actual" new 6 series=more than ever, a bonafide 5 series coupe/cabriolet intended to compete against the upcoming W213-based E-Class coupe/cabriolet ?

 

[SCOTT27]

If I recall correctly, the joint strategy with Toyota was about a small sportscar for the Z family, not a large 4door saloon that up to now is based on the 5er, just like the MB's competitor is based on the E and Audi's is based on the A6.

The most alarming thing, on top of that, is that you don't agree with EnI. That is was makes no sense

I see you are concerned about the 6er Gran Coupe? Well plans under discussion shows the car being replaced but not as a 6er , as I mentioned previously a new Gran Coupe could become an 8er.
Therefore reinforcing the decision to make the 6er a more hardcore GT as Coupe and Cabrio only and re-evaluating past decisions made with the CS Concept in its initial strategy.

An 8er Coupe , Cabrio and Gran Coupe would be the more luxurious option in marketing positioning.
The 6er Gran Coupe was quickly designed and built off an existing matrix in order to get something to the market quickly during the economic crisis.

Aside from SUVs the exclusive end of the luxury market is also important hence the decision to reveal the Vision Future Luxury concept. BMW imagine a world where such a car can co-exist because for some this is the car that they have always wanted BMW to do. The ultimate expression of luxury with the BMW dynamic edge.

Many ideas are under discussion in relation to taking the concept to production. And if introduced its market would be limited to around a few hundred units per year.
Given its close proximity to Rolls-Royce the car could be assembled alongside the next Phantom and finished in Goodwood therefore re-in forcing the exclusivity.

Another option which again refers back to an original idea. Is to have the car completely done using the BMW individual department. Allowing for be-spoke models to further the philosophy of Individual as a unique department of BMW. A similar idea was considered with previous homage concepts - bespoke bodies and interiors, the M1 in particular. But again this was another casualty of the economic crisis.

As I state though nothing is confirmed but options are investigated throughly.

 

[Giannis]

I see you are concerned about the 6er Gran Coupe?

No. I am concerned about the 6er Coupe and Cabrio - I am not a fan of the Gran Coupe.

So, are we talking about a separation of the Gran Coupe from the rest of the 6er models, moving up to a different segment, as a consequence of the new chassis, or the whole 6er model line will be repositioned?

 

[SKY]

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