Golf New Golf MkVII uncovered..!!

[NarutoRamen]

What about the image? Does it count at all?

Don't know why you're turning this into a BMW vs. VW thread. But if that's what you want. The "Image" of driving the NEW fugly ass 1er...I'd rather drive even a Fiesta. This is a FAR better alternative to the 1er, especially in GTi guise.

 

[Centurion]

That is a brilliant revolution. The green house and seemingly low roof height gives it a very sport profile. I wonder if the new A3 will share characteristics.

 

[Zafiro]

I have to admit though from a driving point of view current GTI didnt impress me. I like the previous version better but I have high hopes about the next generation GTI.

 

[EnI]

Don't know why you're turning this into a BMW vs. VW thread.

My point - among others - is that a debate about cars which aren't in the showrooms is quite pointless. even more: it's a debate about cars (and their aesthetics) you guys haven't seen in person yet. So, it's an imaginary debate. For the debate's sake.

And the other point is: the forum guys are not the representative buyers for any brand. Not you, not me. We are just a friction. Perhaps most visible and vocal ones, but hardly the most important for the company. Do you really think a company gives a s**t about imaginary debates? It doesn't. What it does matters is sales: people vote with their wallets. Period. Neither new 1er nor new Golf will fail in this regard.

 

[Cashmere]

The Golf GTI is an icon in a way that the 1er can only hope to being.

"I got 3 words for you vit ou - Gee tee eye"

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

My point - among others - is that a debate about cars which aren't in the showrooms is quite pointless. even more: it's a debate about cars (and their aesthetics) you guys haven't seen in person yet. So, it's an imaginary debate. For the debate's sake.

And the other point is: the forum guys are not the representative buyers any brand. Not you, not me. We are just a friction. Perhaps most visible and vocal ones, but hardly the most important for the company. Do you really think a company gives a s**t about imaginary debates? It doesn't. What it does matters is sales: people vote with their wallets. Period. Neither new 1er nor new Golf will fail in this regard.

The voices on these forums are pre-cursors to what will happen in the market place a few years down the line. If BMW continues to tread this path that is causing so much grief for traditional 'fans' they will eventually alienate these individuals. They better hope they capture the imagination of a greater number of people with these new products to make up for this loss.

 

[EnI]

What really counts is the REAL feedback of the REAL BMW owners, or potential customers (of a certain product).

Not some initial hysterical responses from the general car fanatics on the internet forums based on spy photos, press photos etc. - way before some real life experience & encounter with the car. Not to mention that the voices of people who are not even potential buyers / customers are completely irrelevant. Do you really think marketing guys are interested what a Golf & 3er & E-class owners think of eg. Rolls-Royce Phantom? Or what a 1er owner thinks of a current 7er? Only the potential buyers count. Other opinions are just (unimportant) extras - just making an interesting background scenery.

 

[LaArtist]

Best looking golf since the I and II..!!!

 

[Sunny]

What really counts is the REAL feedback of the REAL BMW owners, or potential customers (of a certain product).

Not some initial hysterical responses from the general car fanatics on the internet forums based on spy photos, press photos etc. - way before some real life experience & encounter with the car. Not to mention that the voices of people who are not even potential buyers / customers are completely irrelevant. Do you really think marketing guys are interested what a Golf & 3er & E-class owners think of eg. Rolls-Royce Phantom? Or what a 1er owner thinks of a current 7er? Only the potential buyers count. Other opinions are just (unimportant) extras - just making an interesting background scenery.

Then why the fcuk are you here? Last time I checked, this is a car forum for car enthusiast, not some marketing focus group for marketing dbags. Everyone is free to discuss what ever car they want, be it Phantom or a Hyundai irrespective of what they own or will potentially own. If all you are interested is what 'potential' buyers have to say, I suggest you go do your own focus group or if you are not capable of it, go stand in front of a dealership and bother the blokes who go there.

 

[EnI]

"You" who? "All you" who?

I'm not connected to any car company, not even BMW AG in any way. I guess you should have known that already by now.

Yes, we can debate any car we want ... in any way we want. It's a free world. Freedom is absolute- even if it makes someone to appear utterly idiotic. Since it's idiotic to make conclusions that a certain car will definitely be a sales failure, and that company is making a mistake by offering such a product - just because one debater - or two, or even three (who has absolutely no intention to buy & own such a car) have proclaimed the car is ugly, pointless, and they don't like it at all.

Sure they are free to say that, and to draw such idiotic & egocentric & preposterous conclusions. But they are still idiotic, egocentric & preposterous. Am I free to say that - to call BS a BS?

 

[donkeykong]

^ Too funny!!!

The GTI just got better.

 

[NarutoRamen]

What really counts is the REAL feedback of the REAL BMW owners, or potential customers (of a certain product).

Not some initial hysterical responses from the general car fanatics on the internet forums based on spy photos, press photos etc. - way before some real life experience & encounter with the car. Not to mention that the voices of people who are not even potential buyers / customers are completely irrelevant. Do you really think marketing guys are interested what a Golf & 3er & E-class owners think of eg. Rolls-Royce Phantom? Or what a 1er owner thinks of a current 7er? Only the potential buyers count. Other opinions are just (unimportant) extras - just making an interesting background scenery.

What are you talking about? I AM a BMW owner and have had one before. And I AM a MB owner as well. I'm just not stupid enough to fall for marketing hype like the rest of the dumbass public. Hell, i'm also a progressing marketing student and can sift through most of the "sh!t" spewed on here.

Don't lie to yourself. WE, on this forum, ARE a wonderful test market. There is a reason why WE get the tidbits and development logs when the rest of the public ONLY gets to see final product. You're just pissy on the fact that we aren't in line with your opinion.

As for the 1er failing. I don't think many of us said it will be a complete failure, we just said that it's fugly and stated that if other car companies bring out better looking products then 1er's sales goal will have to be lowered.
Which gets me to this, GTi (Golf) isn't a premium product. It sits right above generic, but it ain't premium, no matter how hard VW tries to market it. But is this better looking than a 1er? IMO, hell to the YES. Would I personally opt to choose the Gti over the new 1er? Again, yes. Would I back up anyone else who comes to the same conclusion? Yes. Once again, this is a matter of opinion. But your problem is that you don't like others opinion unless it's in line with yours. And all the other crap you just spewed is your opinion, not fact. Why? Because how do you know my family isn't rich enough to not only buy a 7er, but take a dump in it as well? You don't. THAT is why companies DO like our input. If they can't satisfy car guys, then they will have the info they need to spin their marketing in another direction. And if the marketing dept. of any of these companies isn't already doing that, then they aren't worth a damn.

 

[Giannis]

Guys, we are talking about the Golf XXVII here. Let's try to keep the thread on topic!

Also, keep in mind, that when the X6 was first shown, almost everyone here said that it will be a flop, and look what happend. Let's not make so quick conclusions!

 

[LaArtist]

What really counts is the REAL feedback of the REAL BMW owners, or potential customers (of a certain product).

Not some initial hysterical responses from the general car fanatics on the internet forums based on spy photos, press photos etc. - way before some real life experience & encounter with the car. Not to mention that the voices of people who are not even potential buyers / customers are completely irrelevant. Do you really think marketing guys are interested what a Golf & 3er & E-class owners think of eg. Rolls-Royce Phantom? Or what a 1er owner thinks of a current 7er? Only the potential buyers count. Other opinions are just (unimportant) extras - just making an interesting background scenery.

Hahha yes you only discuss what you own or are planning to buy.. in other words the whole BMW range.. cause your rich like that
Oh and whole audi,MB range..and a probably a shit load of more cars..
Post pictures when you take delivery

 

[Giannis]

From this point, any post that doesn't have to do with the topic of this thread, will be deleted.

Thank you.

 

[EnI]

Yes, such an outrage about the quality, design, styling etc.
And VW, Audi, BMW, MB sales are only going UP.
Obviously there are enough different out there with different needs, preferences, tastes, net wealth etc. so all the finest German brands can prosper.

Sure every body can say one car looks better than other - but it's immature & stupid to draw conclusions that because you don't like the car it won't be successful sales wise. I'm not pissed by critical opinions, I'm pissed by stupid & irrational conclusions. But it's a free world: if someone want to post stupid, immature, irrational stuff - he / she can do it. And - since we live in a free world - a BS can be than called a BS. That's what forums are all about: to provide a platform for a battle of arguments. Not being someone's personal diary.

PS: I really hope the new Golf looks like the car on the CGI. It looks great. Better than 1er or the upcoming A3 & even A-class? I can't say that since I haven't seen the cars in flesh yet.

 

[Cashmere]

I love the way that looks. Would even take it over the new 1 with a sports pack.

 

[Sayyaaf]

I lost track with the latest VW golfs, btw I was still thinking this is the current Golf

 

[Human]

^
Glad to see you're still kick'in Sayyaaf!

 

[K-A]

Looks like the Phaeton design idiom is going to live on, and be implemented into future VW designs like this new Golf.

ENI, it's pretty shocking, your desperation to inject some "BMW is better" into this Thread. Can you imagine what you guys would do to someone who went into a BMW Thread and slammed that car and called people nonsensical to even consider it over a more "Prestigious Car". I think this new Golf looks WAY better than the 1'er, and if BMW have to depend on "brand image" to sell 1'ers over Golf's then BMW has failed.

Also, anybody with ANY business knowledge will know that ALL voices count to a well run business (what I assume BMW or VW or M-B are), and the things we talk about here are very important to all of them. An E-Class owners is a future Rolls owner, or a Golf owner is a future 7-Series owner. We all have voices, and sales are just a byproduct of the interest in a particular car/brand.