C-Class W204 New Direct Injection Turbo Engines for W204

[JLBM]

Hi guys (and girls)

Does anyone know when the new DI turbo engines will be available on the W204?

I wouldn't want to purchase a C200K and then have the new engines arrive shortly thereafter..

 

[bum-man]

I would assume Mercedes might introduce a few new engines around the time of the e90's facelift to remain competitive. So next year maybe?

 

[habashi2]

i guess they will introduce the new engines with or just before the 2009 E-Class

 

[JLBM]

I would assume Mercedes might introduce a few new engines around the time of the e90's facelift to remain competitive. So next year maybe?

Thanks I think that makes good sesnse..

 

[ree]

These informations are from jesmb.de: So Mercedes will offer some new engines for their cars, soon!




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[Merc1]

In the U.S. it will definitely be the 2009 model year because Mercedes is looking kinda bad with "only" 268hp in the C350, E350 etc, when others are pushing 300hp in both classes. I wonder if the E will get the new engines in their final year or will they move up the next E's introduction here in the U.S. so the boosted C's don't upstate the E for too many months. The above info shows 306hp, I was hoping for like 320hp since the V8 now offer 380+ hp.

M

 

[JLBM]

Hi all

I've read a possible launch for the E90 facelift for March 2008 - does anyone have any info on the possibility of the new DI Turbo engines for the W204 possibly launching at that time? If they won't be ready with them, I'll choose to go for an E90 323d or 335i - but I would prefer a W204!

Any insiders willing to share info?!?

 

[JLBM]

Hi guys (and girls)

Does anyone know when the new DI turbo engines will be available on the W204?

I wouldn't want to purchase a C200K and then have the new engines arrive shortly thereafter..

Hi guys

Mercedes is so far behind on this matter now, it is getting ridiculous! Are the new DI Turbo engines coming to this brand or not?!

 

[Monster]

Yes these engines are coming, or in fact they were launched already, C200 CGI, 135kW 270Nm, C250 CGI, 150kW, 310Nm, both have the same 1.8 4 cylinder turbo engine.

 

[Untertürkheim]

Hi guys

Mercedes is so far behind on this matter now, it is getting ridiculous! Are the new DI Turbo engines coming to this brand or not?!

As was just said, the engines are out, so they should be available to order now, or very soon.

Any reason why you want petrol and not diesel? The new I4 diesel will blow any petrol out of the water.

 

[JLBM]

As was just said, the engines are out, so they should be available to order now, or very soon.

Any reason why you want petrol and not diesel? The new I4 diesel will blow any petrol out of the water.

Hi, to clarify, I am enquiring about the V6 and (for the E-Class and up) V8 DI Turbos. The C350 and E350 need these engines, especially up here in Johannesburg where the air is thin. I am now looking at a new 535i instead of the E350 as the E350 just doesn't have the torque and efficiency I expect of such a well engineered car..

 

[klier]

BMW 3.0 I6 = 272 hp
MB 3.5 V6 - 292 hp
BMW 3.0 TT I6 = 306 hp

MB doesn't really NEED to do anything, since the engine is good enough as it is, but a turbo would be good for efficiency and low end torque.

Any reason why you want petrol and not diesel? The new I4 diesel will blow any petrol out of the water.

Just......no. The diesel age is about to be over, with extremely efficient gasoline I4 turbo engines coming from pretty much every brand now or very soon. There's no need to drive diesel unless you drive more than like 40,000 km a year.

 

[JLBM]

BMW 3.0 I6 = 272 hp
MB 3.5 V6 - 292 hp
BMW 3.0 TT I6 = 306 hp

MB doesn't really NEED to do anything, since the engine is good enough as it is, but a turbo would be good for efficiency and low end torque.



Just......no. The diesel age is about to be over, with extremely efficient gasoline I4 turbo engines coming from pretty much every brand now or very soon. There's no need to drive diesel unless you drive more than like 40,000 km a year.

MB certainly does need to launch upgraded engines in the 350 class. Compare the accelaration figures and in-gear performance in the real world between 535i and E350.. We live at altitude here which makes matters far worse - naturally aspirated engines lose 17% to 19% power up in Johannesburg. The fact that I as a buyer expect more bang for my buck from a preffered E350 over a 535i, but will still opt for the 535i due to the engine is a case in point. I am one of the young buyers MB is targeting at 35 years of age. I don't need massive power but the E350 is flat..

 

[Kowalski]

Mercedes should launch a 3.0 V6 Kompressor producing 315 bhp and a 3.5 V6 Kompressor producing 385 bhp.

P.S: I am aware that "Kompressor" means Supercharger.

 

[Wolfgang]

MB doesn't really NEED to do anything, since the engine is good enough as it is, but a turbo would be good for efficiency and low end torque.

The Turbo is coming soon says jesmb.de:

06/2010 New V6 Gasser M276 with Turbo and Gasoline Direct Injection


The list for Geneva doesn't seem to include it yet:

■MERCEDES-BENZ A 160 BlueEFFICIENCY “My Star” Coupé
■MERCEDES-BENZ C 180 CGI BlueEFFICIENCY
■MERCEDES-BENZ C 250 CDI BlueEFFICIENCY 4MATIC Estate
■MERCEDES-BENZ E 250 CGI BlueEFFICIENCY Cabriolet
■MERCEDES-BENZ E 350 CGI BlueEFFICIENCY Cabriolet
■MERCEDES-BENZ E 500 Cabriolet 7-G-Tronic
■MERCEDES-BENZ G 350 BlueTEC / G 350 BlueTEC long, SUV
■MERCEDES-BENZ GLK 250 CDI BlueEFFICIENCY 4MATIC
■MERCEDES-BENZ SL 500 “Night Edition”
■MERCEDES-BENZ SLK 350 “Grand Edition”
■MERCEDES-BENZ SLS AMG Coupé
■MERCEDES-BENZ F800 Style Research Vehicle

http://e/2010/02/mercedes-benz-at-geneva-details-of-the-mercedes-benz-exhibition-stand/

 

[Untertürkheim]

Just......no. The diesel age is about to be over, with extremely efficient gasoline I4 turbo engines coming from pretty much every brand now or very soon. There's no need to drive diesel unless you drive more than like 40,000 km a year.

Model Power Torque 0-100
C250CDI 150kw 500nm 7,0s
C250CGI 150kw 310nm 7,4s
Fuel Economy(l/100km) Highway Combined City
C250CDI 4,5 5,35 6,85
C250CGI 5,85 7,55 10,4
Difference for petrol 30%+ 41%+ 52%+

This new "Extremely efficient" petrol engine is still less efficient than the previous diesel, and can not even compete with the current offering. The otto cycle is simply an inferior design to the diesel.

 

[Merc1]

I don't really care about the diesels Mercedes has always been competitive there, and I don't know what Mercedes has going on in other parts of the world with their CGI 3.5L V6, but what I do know is that here in the U.S. Mercedes is way behind in the V6 class. 268hp simply doesn't cut it anymore. Acura, Infiniti, BMW, Lincoln, Audi, Cadillac, and Lexus all have 300+hp V6 engines.

Don't care if the people use it or not, this is Mercedes-Benz and they shouldn't be down nearly 40hp compared to their competitors.

292hp is nice for the DI V6 in Europe, but here even that is behind the class.

Mercedes needs a new DI, turbo V6 with at least 325hp in every vehicle with the "350" badge in the U.S. The SLK350 is fine. High rev V6 is good for that model. C350, E350, ML350 need help, now!


M

 

[Wolfgang]

Mercedes needs a new DI, turbo V6 with at least 325hp in every vehicle with the "350" badge in the U.S.

Mercedes-Benz is working on the new MoVe engines, which are expected this summer. The engines will likely debut in the S-class coupe according to the blurb below?

V6 and V8 engines with 25 percent less fuel consumption

In addition the development board member Thomas Weber announced a new generation of V6 and V8 petrol models with direct injection and turbocharger. The internally named "MoVe" engines have direct injection and turbochargers and will have a fuel efficiency advantage of up to 25 percent. At the same time the performance of the aggregates increases up to ten percent and the maximum torque would increase by ten to 25 percent. Their debut is expected in the summer 2010 in the S-Class coupe, which replaces the current CL. In the medium term, they will appear in all series of the C-Class and up.

In the pipeline are also new transmissions. In a first step the current seven-speed automatic will be modified so that all Mercedes models in future can be standard equipped with a start-stop system.

In a second step, Weber plans for the period after 2014 a new transmission with at least eight gears.

Auto Motor und Sport - Google Translated

 

[Wolfgang]

The MoVe engines may also debut on the new CLS and facelifted R-Class?

Labeled “MoVe” for modular V-6 and V-8s, the engines will first appear in new versions of the CLS, facelifted R-Class and S-Class Coupe (renamed CL Coupe).

Weber revealed that all V-8 engines will be turbocharged by the 2011 model year. This includes the current 6.2-liter AMG unit, which will be replaced by a 5.5-liter twin-turbo version with direct injection. Non-AMG models will get smaller V-8 engines as well as turbocharged V-6 units.

Importantly, most will be designed to integrate with hybrid drive systems.

Spy Shots: 2013 Mercedes-Benz S-Class Test Mule - MotorAuthority

PS. And lets not forget, the Mercedes-Benz F800 Style shows a 300+ hp V6 in Geneva, which might already be based on the MoVe architecture:
http://www.germancarforum.com/merce...ficial-mercedes-benz-f-800-style-concept.html

 

[JLBM]

I don't really care about the diesels Mercedes has always been competitive there, and I don't know what Mercedes has going on in other parts of the world with their CGI 3.5L V6, but what I do know is that here in the U.S. Mercedes is way behind in the V6 class. 268hp simply doesn't cut it anymore. Acura, Infiniti, BMW, Lincoln, Audi, Cadillac, and Lexus all have 300+hp V6 engines.

Don't care if the people use it or not, this is Mercedes-Benz and they shouldn't be down nearly 40hp compared to their competitors.

292hp is nice for the DI V6 in Europe, but here even that is behind the class.

Mercedes needs a new DI, turbo V6 with at least 325hp in every vehicle with the "350" badge in the U.S. The SLK350 is fine. High rev V6 is good for that model. C350, E350, ML350 need help, now!


M

You are 100% correct! MB need this in South Africa too.