Vs New BMW M5 vs Mercedes-AMG E63s Drag Race.
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LaArtist
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klier
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At least this generation, yes.
Liberating.
What is even more funny is the lack of all those MB boys in this thread when we have 7 pages of utter crap from them in the thread where the E63 won (which will end up being the only thread where it did, LOL)
But I now see the bigger picture. They let to E63 wn the first time only to crush dreams later on. LMAO.
hovabongZA
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Really happy that the M5 took a victory on home soil. The guy who was driving the M5 in the video is on the same motoring group as I am here in SA this is what he had to say about the drag race:
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Frankie G
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Now we wait for the usual excuses when all it was, was just a bit of fun.
Side note: Purely for the sake of entertainment, I would be interested to see the outcome of this race including a Panamera, RS7 and oh say...a Tesla P100D.
tomazino
Highway Hunter
Are u f...ing kiddin? 2 rolling starts by BMW vs standing start by AMG. WOW! That was so lame!
If your car is rolling before the start (even if the speed is minimal), it gives you significant advantage. It is some kind of "rollout" on a drag strip. Gives you up to 0.3 seconds at the finish.
If your car is rolling before the start (even if the speed is minimal), it gives you significant advantage. It is some kind of "rollout" on a drag strip. Gives you up to 0.3 seconds at the finish.
manuelf
Kraftkurve King
Oh yes. I would say: Distance should be half a mile ... should be enough to bring the Tesla into overheat limp mode ...
BMW3GT
Autobahn Adventurer
You must either directly come from a coffe-shop and be insanely high or just in the wrong forum, klier.
The thread you are referring to is full of non stop crying from the BMW lads. All I see is a host of unfounded accousations telling me that the AMG was either tuned and has way more power than advertised, driven on drag tires, using racing fuel, carwow paid by Daimler, the BMW was 2new2betested or not properly driven by the journalists. Go figure.
And just in case you are preparing a 20 pages long write up, why I'm fundamentally wrong/have no clue/only your opinion matters/whatever...
I did contact carwow just in case the test was unfair. They told me the conditions for both cars were >>exactly<< the same. No difference in fuel, temperature, grip or driver experience. Both testdrivers used the launch control as advertised. Heck! They even made sure both drivers have somewhat the same bodyweight. They even admitted the M5 launched to early and so does the AMG during the breaktest.
klier
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I don't feel offended, the AMG won fair and square and I am not making any excuses. Nor did I in any other thread.
For what it's worth, I think those AMG cars all are fantastic and I admire the E63 S about as much as the M5.
Most of the 'tough talk' is, well, just a little provocative and in good humor. Though I am the first to admit it is lost most of the time lately. I just like a bit of rivalry and discussion.
I'll try to be more nuanced in the future
For what it's worth, I think those AMG cars all are fantastic and I admire the E63 S about as much as the M5.
Most of the 'tough talk' is, well, just a little provocative and in good humor. Though I am the first to admit it is lost most of the time lately. I just like a bit of rivalry and discussion.
I'll try to be more nuanced in the future
Hey dude you make this forum exciting to read, I dig the classic back and forth rivalry discussions. BMW and Mercedes are the best main stream cars in the world, so its we going to have these rivalries for a long long time,LOLI just like a bit of rivalry and discussion.
I'll try to be more nuanced in the future
LaArtist
Wunderkind of Wheels
The most interesting performance is not of the cars.
It’s the fans on how they cope with a loss.
I must say Mercedes wins this one to, we just don’t give a f if a Benz looses a drag race haha, but bmw fans on the contrary had a deep depression the last week.
This is the real win, the only win we care about. How butthurt can you make a bmw fan? It’s one of those existential questions.
It’s the fans on how they cope with a loss.
I must say Mercedes wins this one to, we just don’t give a f if a Benz looses a drag race haha, but bmw fans on the contrary had a deep depression the last week.
This is the real win, the only win we care about. How butthurt can you make a bmw fan? It’s one of those existential questions.
LaArtist
Wunderkind of Wheels
im just happy you are ok..Really happy that the M5 took a victory on home soil. The guy who was driving the M5 in the video is on the same motoring group as I am here in SA this is what he had to say about the drag race:
hovabongZA
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Autocar M5 vs E63s
M5 – Driving Impressions
THE M5 proves that it’s devastatingly effective with four-wheel drive. That engine produces 592bhp and 750Nm of torque, so the traction the M xdrive system brings is welcome – but it’s the calibration for the M5 that’s a stroke of genius.
Combined with the Active M diff, in 4WD Sport mode the agility belies the M5’s size and weight. It still feels large, but the car behaves like a nicely balanced rear-drive sports saloon, with the diff helping to turn the BMW when you get on the throttle. The M xdrive system then diverts more power to the front when you need it to drag the car out of a corner with plenty of stability and at an alarming speed.
It’s a shame the steering’s squishy, slightly resistive feel to your inputs removes a layer of communication and means you’re not all that well connected to the front tyres, but the security four-wheel drive brings is unmatched. As is the pace.
The M5 sprinted from 0-60mph in an incredible 3.2 seconds – one tenth faster than the 100kg heavier E 63 S. However, you’ll be hard pushed to notice this or the M5’s in-gear advantage over the AMG, which was around a tenth or two in most ratios.
What you will notice is the noise. Both V8s’ sound signatures are electronically enhanced, but the M5’s engine is more synthesised. With the £1,100 M Sport exhaust activated it produces a flat bark as the motor ramps up to 7,000rpm, but lift off and it drones artificially. It can’t match the AMG’S personality.
The gearbox doesn’t have the snap of the old DCT, but the shifts are smooth. It backs this up with plusher suspension damping than the E 63’s. In Comfort it’s more compliant, softening blows and smothering bumps with more refinement and composure than the firmer-feeling Mercedes. It’s a more refined car, yet in the raciest modes the BMW matches its body control and delivers lots of grip; we’d just like more communicative steering.
E63S Driving Impressions
THAT incredible V8 defines the E 63 S and gives it an addictive personality. While it was one tenth slower than the M5 from 0-60mph in our tests, taking 3.3 seconds, this is still incredibly rapid for a near-two-tonne supersaloon.
The motor feels even more explosive than the BMW’S and romps from low revs, rocketing through the mid-range and hammering towards its rev limiter with an incredibly bassy but rich and purposeful soundtrack, popping and banging with that AMG exhaust engaged. The shifts are a match for the M5’s in manual mode, while it’s as smooth in Comfort and therefore as easy to drive as the BMW.
It has nicer steering that delivers more feedback than the M5, without its squidgy and indistinct feel; as you move off centre the weightier set-up in the E 63 feels more natural. Adding weight to the M5 with its different modes makes it even more artificial.
There’s lots of grip to exploit, but the AMG is much firmer than the M car, even in its Comfort setting. On 20-inch alloys – standard on the E 63 S – it thumps over potholes and expansion strips, while even smaller ridges and inputs to the suspension unsettle the car more than in the BMW. The tighter focus means body control is good, but the road noise from the big wheels and tyres isn’t suppressed as well as in the BMW.
Toggle through to Sport+ mode for the dampers and the E 63 ramps up control, with a more rigid feeling. It’s surprising just how hard you can lean on the chassis and how well it stands up to this punishment, but as with the M5, its size means it’s better suited to more open B-roads and A-roads, where the 4WD system can work to enhance agility.
Acceleration Data
M5 vs E63S
0-60mph
3.2 vs 3.3 sec
30-70mph
2.3 vs 2.5 sec
30-50mph in 3rd/4th
1.5/2.0 sec vs 1.6/2.2 sec
50-70mph in 5th/6th/7th/8th
2.4/3.3/4.2/7.6 sec vs 2.5/3.4/4.8/7.8
Verdict
1. M5
THE M5 is faster and more comfortable than the E 63. It’s also as good to drive and offers a great level of tech, so while its character is a little more subtle than the AMG, its spread of ability is actually broader, by the slimmest of margins. It’s practical enough and, although efficiency isn’t as important with cars like these, it’ll be slightly cheaper to run, which is a bonus.
2. E63S
IF you’re after real charisma, the E 63 S is brimming with it. It’s as fast as you’ll ever need, handles superbly, offers lovely balance, impressive practicality and an addictive noise. But the M5 is just a little bit better in key areas: it’s marginally faster, the ride is noticeably better and it’s more comfortable and refined. Still, personal choice will play a big part here; both are brilliant.
M5 – Driving Impressions
THE M5 proves that it’s devastatingly effective with four-wheel drive. That engine produces 592bhp and 750Nm of torque, so the traction the M xdrive system brings is welcome – but it’s the calibration for the M5 that’s a stroke of genius.
Combined with the Active M diff, in 4WD Sport mode the agility belies the M5’s size and weight. It still feels large, but the car behaves like a nicely balanced rear-drive sports saloon, with the diff helping to turn the BMW when you get on the throttle. The M xdrive system then diverts more power to the front when you need it to drag the car out of a corner with plenty of stability and at an alarming speed.
It’s a shame the steering’s squishy, slightly resistive feel to your inputs removes a layer of communication and means you’re not all that well connected to the front tyres, but the security four-wheel drive brings is unmatched. As is the pace.
The M5 sprinted from 0-60mph in an incredible 3.2 seconds – one tenth faster than the 100kg heavier E 63 S. However, you’ll be hard pushed to notice this or the M5’s in-gear advantage over the AMG, which was around a tenth or two in most ratios.
What you will notice is the noise. Both V8s’ sound signatures are electronically enhanced, but the M5’s engine is more synthesised. With the £1,100 M Sport exhaust activated it produces a flat bark as the motor ramps up to 7,000rpm, but lift off and it drones artificially. It can’t match the AMG’S personality.
The gearbox doesn’t have the snap of the old DCT, but the shifts are smooth. It backs this up with plusher suspension damping than the E 63’s. In Comfort it’s more compliant, softening blows and smothering bumps with more refinement and composure than the firmer-feeling Mercedes. It’s a more refined car, yet in the raciest modes the BMW matches its body control and delivers lots of grip; we’d just like more communicative steering.
E63S Driving Impressions
THAT incredible V8 defines the E 63 S and gives it an addictive personality. While it was one tenth slower than the M5 from 0-60mph in our tests, taking 3.3 seconds, this is still incredibly rapid for a near-two-tonne supersaloon.
The motor feels even more explosive than the BMW’S and romps from low revs, rocketing through the mid-range and hammering towards its rev limiter with an incredibly bassy but rich and purposeful soundtrack, popping and banging with that AMG exhaust engaged. The shifts are a match for the M5’s in manual mode, while it’s as smooth in Comfort and therefore as easy to drive as the BMW.
It has nicer steering that delivers more feedback than the M5, without its squidgy and indistinct feel; as you move off centre the weightier set-up in the E 63 feels more natural. Adding weight to the M5 with its different modes makes it even more artificial.
There’s lots of grip to exploit, but the AMG is much firmer than the M car, even in its Comfort setting. On 20-inch alloys – standard on the E 63 S – it thumps over potholes and expansion strips, while even smaller ridges and inputs to the suspension unsettle the car more than in the BMW. The tighter focus means body control is good, but the road noise from the big wheels and tyres isn’t suppressed as well as in the BMW.
Toggle through to Sport+ mode for the dampers and the E 63 ramps up control, with a more rigid feeling. It’s surprising just how hard you can lean on the chassis and how well it stands up to this punishment, but as with the M5, its size means it’s better suited to more open B-roads and A-roads, where the 4WD system can work to enhance agility.
Acceleration Data
M5 vs E63S
0-60mph
3.2 vs 3.3 sec
30-70mph
2.3 vs 2.5 sec
30-50mph in 3rd/4th
1.5/2.0 sec vs 1.6/2.2 sec
50-70mph in 5th/6th/7th/8th
2.4/3.3/4.2/7.6 sec vs 2.5/3.4/4.8/7.8
Verdict
1. M5
THE M5 is faster and more comfortable than the E 63. It’s also as good to drive and offers a great level of tech, so while its character is a little more subtle than the AMG, its spread of ability is actually broader, by the slimmest of margins. It’s practical enough and, although efficiency isn’t as important with cars like these, it’ll be slightly cheaper to run, which is a bonus.
2. E63S
IF you’re after real charisma, the E 63 S is brimming with it. It’s as fast as you’ll ever need, handles superbly, offers lovely balance, impressive practicality and an addictive noise. But the M5 is just a little bit better in key areas: it’s marginally faster, the ride is noticeably better and it’s more comfortable and refined. Still, personal choice will play a big part here; both are brilliant.
You will not hear me making excuses.
I think its quite clear the M5 likes smoother tracks while the E63s favors regular street surfaces. Their AWD systems might also play a role in this along with tire setups. Time will tell.
These two have never had it so close though as the article says
"Still, personal choice will play a big part here; both are brilliant."
The E63s seems to have more character for what it is.
It is more explosive and engaging to drive. The tradeoff is the ride quality
The M5 has better ride quality, more refined with a tradeoff in steering feel, "less character" the article indicates. (add to that its soccer-mom appearance imo.)
More tests on ordinary real-world streets would be more convincing than this test.
If one absolutely has to have more speed in the E63s skip Brabus and go with Renntech. It will boost the E63s to more than
770hp.
E 63 AMG : RENNtech ECU+ Upgrade | W213 | E63 AMG S 4MATIC+ | 773 HP/778LB-FT | 4.0L V8 BiTurbo | M177 | MY2018
hovabongZA
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The video
LaArtist
Wunderkind of Wheels
Did you hear in the first few sentences they called the E63S the benchmark.
Did you cut yourself ?
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