Mercedes S350 CDi Spotted In America

[BKK-ES]

S350 CDI = S320 CDI Hybrid. IMO
just like RX330 and RX400h

 

[Merc1]

Never thought of that. Come to think further that petrol-hybrid was based on the S350 to begin with wasn't it?

M

 

[Alx]

S350 CDI = S320 CDI Hybrid. IMO
just like RX330 and RX400h

Makes sense, im with you.... good first post...

 

[BKK-ES]

Makes sense, im with you.... good first post...

Thanks. good to be in this board.

 

[Untertürkheim]

It is funny that this thread started so long ago may be coming true just now for MY2011.

 

[ree]

It is funny that this thread started so long ago may be coming true just now for MY2011.

Would be fantastic to see a S 350 Bluetec or CDI model with MY2011. I think diesel engines could be quite an alternative in the US in the future.

 

[tennmb]

At the dealer meetings it was said that an S diesel was coming. Don't think this is 'breaking' news.

 

[Untertürkheim]

At the dealer meetings it was said that an S diesel was coming. Don't think this is 'breaking' news.

I do not think anyone said it is breaking news; keep in mind that this thread is five years old.

 

[Merc1]

At the dealer meetings it was said that an S diesel was coming. Don't think this is 'breaking' news.

What else is coming for 2011? Is the new turbo V8 for real?? If so what is the hp and what is the displacement and the badge going to be??

M

 

[Untertürkheim]

Would be fantastic to see a S 350 Bluetec or CDI model with MY2011. I think diesel engines could be quite an alternative in the US in the future.

I just looked through the EPC thoroughly, and the S350 will be Bluetec.

The parts are listed for 221.022(SWB) and .122(LWB) 6-cyl RWD and .080SWB and .181
(LWB) 4-Matic diesels.

If they are in EPC, it is ready for production. Perhaps the diesel S will finally return to the US!

 

[Untertürkheim]

The S350 Bluetec & 4Matic models now have official model designations seperate from the CDI models (SWB/LWB).
RWD: 221.026 / .126
4MAtic: 221.083 / .183

 

[cawimmer430]

The V8 S420 CDI is such a low volume (and frankly pointless) model. I don't see any benefit of bringing it over to the US. It's only marginally quicker to 100 km/h than an S350 CDI and gets worse fuel economy. The S350 CDI isn't slow and is far more fuel efficient than an S400 Hybrid as a recent AMS test proved.

The only reason I can see for someone buying an S420 CDI is because of "prestige" reasons.

"I drive a [diesel] V8 Mercedes S-Class!"

IMO, driving any Mercedes is already satisfying of the prestige need some people have (when you look at it from a brand prestige POV).

 

[Merc1]

The S350 Bluetec & 4Matic models now have official model designations seperate from the CDI models (SWB/LWB).
RWD: 221.026 / .126
4MAtic: 221.083 / .183

So does this mean they're coming to the U.S. this fall? They should offer both a S350 Bluetec RWD and a S350 Bluetec with 4Matic, both LWB of course. They would sell IMO.


M

 

[Wolfgang]

As far as I know the V6 BlueTEC engine plant has spare capacity at present, so there is a chance we might see more of them in the USA.

The Berlin plant currently produces V6 and V8 diesel engines and V12 biturbo engines for the Mercedes-Benz and Maybach brands. It also focuses on product development and production in the area of components and parts.

Mercedes-Benz engine plant Berlin Marienfelde
1962 Plant included in the production network for Daimler-Benz plants
1997 Production of the smart petrol engine begins
2005 Production of the new generation of V6/V8 diesel engines begins
2007 Production of BlueTEC versions of the V6 diesel engine begins

Mercedes-Benz plant in Berlin | Daimler > Technology & Innovation > News

 

[Untertürkheim]

The V8 S420 CDI is such a low volume (and frankly pointless) model. I don't see any benefit of bringing it over to the US. It's only marginally quicker to 100 km/h than an S350 CDI and gets worse fuel economy. The S350 CDI isn't slow and is far more fuel efficient than an S400 Hybrid as a recent AMS test proved.

The only reason I can see for someone buying an S420 CDI is because of "prestige" reasons.

"I drive a [diesel] V8 Mercedes S-Class!"

IMO, driving any Mercedes is already satisfying of the prestige need some people have (when you look at it from a brand prestige POV).

I do not understand why you would say that; no offense intended, but I could only imagine it is because you have not tried one? The S350CDI may be the most efficient, but it is also the slowest, and some people way want more power, and even more importantly, more torque. The 450CDI has more torque than any V8, including the 63, the only S with more torque would be the 600 and 65.

The 450CDI is also efficient, only the 350CDI and 400Hybrid use less fuel in official ratings, although I would expect the 450CDI to beat the 400H in real world highway use. It may not be the most efficient, but no matter if it beats the 400H or not, it is in the top 3.

It may be low production, but that is also because it is available in so few markets, so that by itself if not a good indication. Most important though is the way it feels, I was lucky enough to drive an S450CDI, and it was absolutely outstanding. I strongly believe that it is the best S class produced, no other model can come close to the package this car has.

 

[SKY]

I do not understand why you would say that; no offense intended, but I could only imagine it is because you have not tried one? The S350CDI may be the most efficient, but it is also the slowest, and some people way want more power, and even more importantly, more torque. The 450CDI has more torque than any V8, including the 63, the only S with more torque would be the 600 and 65.

The 450CDI is also efficient, only the 350CDI and 400Hybrid use less fuel in official ratings, although I would expect the 450CDI to beat the 400H in real world highway use. It may not be the most efficient, but no matter if it beats the 400H or not, it is in the top 3.

It may be low production, but that is also because it is available in so few markets, so that by itself if not a good indication. Most important though is the way it feels, I was lucky enough to drive an S450CDI, and it was absolutely outstanding. I strongly believe that it is the best S class produced, no other model can come close to the package this car has.

Now Audi has updated the V8 Diesel and BMW is planning their 50d variant, Will we see anything new from Merc diesel engines, like a revised V8?.

 

[cawimmer430]

I do not understand why you would say that; no offense intended, but I could only imagine it is because you have not tried one? The S350CDI may be the most efficient, but it is also the slowest, and some people way want more power, and even more importantly, more torque. The 450CDI has more torque than any V8, including the 63, the only S with more torque would be the 600 and 65.

I wouldn't call the S350 CDI slow. It's fast for what it is. Also, the '350 CDI and '450 CDI are limited to 250 km/h top speed. The few seconds difference in 0-100 km/h and midrange power don't matter anywhere else except on a track. And nobody I know takes an S350 CDI (or non-AMG S-Class [even AMG S-Classes]) unto a racetrack.

Somebody who wants more speed and a performance oriented engine won't look at the S350 CDI in the first place.

The 450CDI is also efficient, only the 350CDI and 400Hybrid use less fuel in official ratings, although I would expect the 450CDI to beat the 400H in real world highway use. It may not be the most efficient, but no matter if it beats the 400H or not, it is in the top 3.

I view the V8 diesel engine as pointless. It's a "prestige engine", nothing more (to me).

It may be low production, but that is also because it is available in so few markets, so that by itself if not a good indication. Most important though is the way it feels, I was lucky enough to drive an S450CDI, and it was absolutely outstanding. I strongly believe that it is the best S class produced, no other model can come close to the package this car has.

The S450 CDI is not available in all markets because of extremely low or no demand. Think about it. Would this car sell well in the UK for example? I don't think so. Preparing the S450 CDI for RHD markets is beyond profitable. Similar restrictions limit the appeal of the S450 CDI in other markets.

Is it a nice car. Sure. Is it pointless? To some people, yes. Like me. I'd rather have an S350 CDI and enjoy better fuel economy and equally good refinement.

 

[Merc1]

Car and Driver - 2011 Mercedes-Benz S350 4MATIC BlueTec Diesel

The diesel S-class returns to the U.S. after a 16-year hiatus.

Mercedes-Benz is adding another efficiency-minded model to the S-class lineup by bringing the European S350 diesel to the U.S. for 2011. As configured here, the S350’s 3.0-liter turbo-diesel V-6 will be rated at 241 hp and 429 lb-ft of torque, up from 235 hp and 398 lb-ft for the Euro model. The S350 will be the only full-size luxury sedan offered with a diesel engine in the States.

The U.S.-market S350 will wear BlueTec badges and therefore use AdBlue urea injection to clean up the exhaust. It will be available exclusively with 4MATIC all-wheel drive. The 2011 ML350, R350, GL350, and E350 diesels use a similar turbo-diesel V-6 rated at 210 hp and 400 lb-ft. EPA ratings for the S350 BlueTec aren’t available yet, but the optimistic Europeans rate the S350 at a combined 37 mpg, so high 20s on the highway is a reasonable expectation for EPA tests. It’s sure to be more efficient than the gutsy S550 and S600 and perhaps even better than the S400 hybrid’s 19 city/26 highway mpg ratings.

Power-wise, the S350 will slot in at the bottom of the S-class range, with slightly less horsepower than the hybrid, but with the added bonus of heaps more torque. Expect it to be the slowest S-class, too; Mercedes says the European rear-drive S350 takes 7.8 seconds to reach 62 mph—for reference, we got the S400 hybrid to the 60-mph mark in 7.1 seconds. But Americans picking a diesel likely value other qualities higher than all-out speed.

Pricing is a little harder to pin down. Mercedes says it won’t release official numbers until closer to the model’s launch in the first quarter of 2011. We do know the S350 won’t be a stripper (a relative term with an S-class) and will be available with most of the same packages and equipment as other trim levels.

Broadly speaking, it’s not that surprising to see automakers putting smaller, more efficient powertrains in their luxury machines; witness the availability of six-cylinder engines in the BMW 740i/Li and Porsche Panamera. While a small diesel doesn’t necessarily fit the traditional S-class image in the U.S., it will satisfy eco-conscious buyers and help improve Mercedes’ average fuel-economy figures.


2011 Mercedes-Benz S350 4MATIC BlueTec Diesel - Car News - Auto Reviews - Car and Driver


IMO this is what Mercedes' S-Class should be all about: Choice - Diesel, Hybrid, and various levels of gasoline power. With the new gasoline engines the S-Class will be the most complete range of cars in its class, especially in the U.S.


M

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

The diesel S-class returns to the U.S. after a 16-year hiatus.

Mercedes-Benz is adding another efficiency-minded model to the S-class lineup by bringing the European S350 diesel to the U.S. for 2011. As configured here, the S350’s 3.0-liter turbo-diesel V-6 will be rated at 241 hp and 429 lb-ft of torque, up from 235 hp and 398 lb-ft for the Euro model. The S350 will be the only full-size luxury sedan offered with a diesel engine in the States.

The U.S.-market S350 will wear BlueTec badges and therefore use AdBlue urea injection to clean up the exhaust. It will be available exclusively with 4MATIC all-wheel drive. The 2011 ML350, R350, GL350, and E350 diesels use a similar turbo-diesel V-6 rated at 210 hp and 400 lb-ft. EPA ratings for the S350 BlueTec aren’t available yet, but the optimistic Europeans rate the S350 at a combined 37 mpg, so high 20s on the highway is a reasonable expectation for EPA tests. It’s sure to be more efficient than the gutsy S550 and S600 and perhaps even better than the S400 hybrid’s 19 city/26 highway mpg ratings.

Power-wise, the S350 will slot in at the bottom of the S-class range, with slightly less horsepower than the hybrid, but with the added bonus of heaps more torque. Expect it to be the slowest S-class, too; Mercedes says the European rear-drive S350 takes 7.8 seconds to reach 62 mph—for reference, we got the S400 hybrid to the 60-mph mark in 7.1 seconds. But Americans picking a diesel likely value other qualities higher than all-out speed.

Pricing is a little harder to pin down. Mercedes says it won’t release official numbers until closer to the model’s launch in the first quarter of 2011. We do know the S350 won’t be a stripper (a relative term with an S-class) and will be available with most of the same packages and equipment as other trim levels.

Broadly speaking, it’s not that surprising to see automakers putting smaller, more efficient powertrains in their luxury machines; witness the availability of six-cylinder engines in the BMW 740i/Li and Porsche Panamera. While a small diesel doesn’t necessarily fit the traditional S-class image in the U.S., it will satisfy eco-conscious buyers and help improve Mercedes’ average fuel-economy figures.


2011 Mercedes-Benz S350 4MATIC BlueTec Diesel - Car News - Auto Reviews - Car and Driver


IMO this is what Mercedes' S-Class should be all about: Choice - Diesel, Hybrid, and various levels of gasoline power. With the new gasoline engines the S-Class will be the most complete range of cars in its class, especially in the U.S.


M

Isn't BMW offering a 6 cylinder 7? MB should consider this for the S I think.

 

[Merc1]

Maybe they will at the end of the W221's run like they did with the W220. A nice 300hp S350 doesn't sound bad at all.


M