bmwz4coupe
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Doesnt matter if they use two or four weights, if they do it correctly the result should be the same
Vs Mercedes-AMG GT63 S vs BMW M5 Competition.
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hovabongZA
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I’ve never understood why the weight of the driver is included in a car because we all weigh differently and that’s not the weight of the car!
Anyway this test may have not been fair the GT63 was recently broken in, in the video even, so it may have not have loosened up, but then again if we waited for cars to be exactly the same there may be no comparison tests.
Anyway this test may have not been fair the GT63 was recently broken in, in the video even, so it may have not have loosened up, but then again if we waited for cars to be exactly the same there may be no comparison tests.
WBarnes
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Yeah, true. If people really wanted I'm sure they can do basic arithmetic and add the weight of a typical driver, or their own weight but I guess it shows how the weight of the driver is distributed.
Centurion
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I chuckle with people spend $20,000-30,000 on weight options that save 5-10kg when it only cost a fraction of the money to lose that in body weight.
WBarnes
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It's even cheaper to save far more weight by simply not having a wife and kids.
CrunchSlaughtered
RPM Ruler
Or throw away the used condoms from the trunk.
bmwz4coupe
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Probably, but why cant these russians tell clearly how they weight the car..?
It's the same as people going for liposuction. So if we liposuction the GT63 we can remove all the seats and carpets and sound deadening and leave only the driver then we can save a huge chunk of weight without spending much money hehe
WBarnes
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Let's not forget the heated armrests.
StartYourEngines
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I would pick the M5 Competition any time.
Simply a better car for me.
Simply a better car for me.
WBarnes
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Slight correction, the BMW was 833Nm in the video at 17:05.
WBarnes
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I'd probably go for the Merc, whilst the M5 is faster outright, these cars aren't really about handling and the Merc has more torque and power throughout the vast majority of the rev range (2500-6300rpm in fact).
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The performance credentials of both cars are simply mindboggling. But personally, I would simply "feel better" granting the M5 my nod of approval. It's strikes me as being "more mature", "more confident", "less pretentious". The AMG GT63 S is simply too ostentatious for my tastes. And in some configurations, I actually find its' visual obnoxious.
hovabongZA
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What do you think of the GT63 S in this spec with classic monoblocks?
Not a fan of the Monoblocks. But the 21" Y-spokes in satin silver are beautiful. And glossy paints usually work relatively well on the GT63 S. Matte coatings don't. At all. My 2 Euro cents.
hoffmeister_fan
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I like Monoblocks but I've concluded it doesn't really work well with "Sensual Purity."
hovabongZA
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Quick summary done by one guy on bimmerpost:
“Guram: We've got one of the fastest Mercedeses in history here — AMG GT 63s. But it's brand new so we got to break it in to unlock the Race Start mode (launch control). Hence we're driving to St. Petersburg and back (from Moscow) to do that and pick up our friend Maksim and his M5 Competition.
We understand that those two are not direct competitors (M8 GC is coming) but for now, let's try and compare the fastest 4-doors from both makes.
Driving back to Moscow he tries to activate the Race Start mode with 1499 km on the clock — it doesn't work. Then he repeats with 1500 and enjoys a violent launch — the car is fully broke in.
9 minutes in he talks about the ingredients of the GT 63s: powerful motor, nice gearbox, carbon ceramic breaks, rear wheel steering, and active aerodynamics. The Nordschleife lap time is faster in the GT 63s than the standard M5 (no time for the M5 Comp yet).
He acknowledges the rear-wheel drive only option in the Mercedes and does some drifting, but mentions the Merc doesn't seem to like being a hooligan — it's cumbersome to engage the rear-wheel drive only mode (unlike a single button click in the BMW) and the burnouts are not consistent, so you might fail miserably if you plan to flex in front of your girlfriend.
13 mins in he talks about the BMW's 4.4 liter engine being a failure in the previous generation (F10) in terms of reliability. Although the engine is principally the same, the components have been redesigned so the hopes are it will be more reliable now.
He doesn't feel like the M5 Comp suspension is violently harsh, but the improvement of handling vs the standard M5 is noticeable.
Dyno + scales. Both cars are more powerful and torquey than the official numbers. The Mercs power curve is more impressive, but the car is heavier.
Those who say that Mercedes is not about speed but about luxury and comfort would be surprised that this one rides harsher than the BMW.
He likes the AMG's exhaust a lot. Its interior is also a winner — when you get in you feel your money's worth (unlike the BMW).
Maxim grapples with headrests being uncomfortable and no ventilated seats in such an expensive car.
Drag races. Pretty obvious. The M5 is slightly faster but they give its due to the Merc for keeping up given its extra weight.
Conclusion. Maksim being a bimmer fanboy jokingly suggests that the conclusion should be 'BMW is power', Guram tries to be objective. He says he expected the Merc to be significantly slower, so he's very impressed with the performance. Both of the cars are top vehicles, hence there are no losers. But there are disciplines at which one is better than the other:
— Drag racing, BMW
— Braking, BMW
— Exhaust, AMG
— Exterior, AMG
— Interior, AMG
— Price, BMW
Though you shouldn't choose based on the numbers and facts. You should choose with your heart. As for Guram, he's quite happy with his Trackhawk.
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“Guram: We've got one of the fastest Mercedeses in history here — AMG GT 63s. But it's brand new so we got to break it in to unlock the Race Start mode (launch control). Hence we're driving to St. Petersburg and back (from Moscow) to do that and pick up our friend Maksim and his M5 Competition.
We understand that those two are not direct competitors (M8 GC is coming) but for now, let's try and compare the fastest 4-doors from both makes.
Driving back to Moscow he tries to activate the Race Start mode with 1499 km on the clock — it doesn't work. Then he repeats with 1500 and enjoys a violent launch — the car is fully broke in.
9 minutes in he talks about the ingredients of the GT 63s: powerful motor, nice gearbox, carbon ceramic breaks, rear wheel steering, and active aerodynamics. The Nordschleife lap time is faster in the GT 63s than the standard M5 (no time for the M5 Comp yet).
He acknowledges the rear-wheel drive only option in the Mercedes and does some drifting, but mentions the Merc doesn't seem to like being a hooligan — it's cumbersome to engage the rear-wheel drive only mode (unlike a single button click in the BMW) and the burnouts are not consistent, so you might fail miserably if you plan to flex in front of your girlfriend.
13 mins in he talks about the BMW's 4.4 liter engine being a failure in the previous generation (F10) in terms of reliability. Although the engine is principally the same, the components have been redesigned so the hopes are it will be more reliable now.
He doesn't feel like the M5 Comp suspension is violently harsh, but the improvement of handling vs the standard M5 is noticeable.
Dyno + scales. Both cars are more powerful and torquey than the official numbers. The Mercs power curve is more impressive, but the car is heavier.
Those who say that Mercedes is not about speed but about luxury and comfort would be surprised that this one rides harsher than the BMW.
He likes the AMG's exhaust a lot. Its interior is also a winner — when you get in you feel your money's worth (unlike the BMW).
Maxim grapples with headrests being uncomfortable and no ventilated seats in such an expensive car.
Drag races. Pretty obvious. The M5 is slightly faster but they give its due to the Merc for keeping up given its extra weight.
Conclusion. Maksim being a bimmer fanboy jokingly suggests that the conclusion should be 'BMW is power', Guram tries to be objective. He says he expected the Merc to be significantly slower, so he's very impressed with the performance. Both of the cars are top vehicles, hence there are no losers. But there are disciplines at which one is better than the other:
— Drag racing, BMW
— Braking, BMW
— Exhaust, AMG
— Exterior, AMG
— Interior, AMG
— Price, BMW
Though you shouldn't choose based on the numbers and facts. You should choose with your heart. As for Guram, he's quite happy with his Trackhawk.
“
Centurion
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I'm surprised that you find the GT4D ostentatious. While some configurations in press photos aren't nice, it's makes a positive impression in person. Although I'm a Panamera fan I think it's been usurped by the GT4D which makes saloons great again.
Unlike the E, 5 and A6 which are ubiquitous, the GT4D has huge and intriguing presence. However direct comparisons are unfiar because the GT4D is priced like a super car and is considerably more expensive than the M5 which is a superb saloon. It's like comparing the BMW X5 to the G-Glass.
I love it in black but am very attracted to it in satin blue.
