Videos McLaren F1 and Ferrari F40 vs analogue rivals

[martinbo]

Threads merged for obvious reasons.

 

[PC Valkyrie]

My random thoughts -

What a group of epic driver's cars. Wish they didn't include the Noble (not special enough). Or the 670SV (no, a car that shifts itself is not analogue!). Glad to see the F50 get it's fair shake and get out of the F40's long shadow. Carrera GT's sound @11:40 - orgasmic.

Sad to see the golden age of driver's cars come to an end. I am glad I got teeny weeny bits of it for myself.

I hate the GTR on days like this! (Yea, I know it would have happened anyway, but I need to blame something, someone).

Oh, come on....it's not that bad, is it? The term "analogue" car is puzzling to me. What exactly does that mean? It can't simply mean a manual transmission, does it? There are plenty of old (and current) cars with slush box style automatic transmissions with very little "digital tech".

My impression of an "analogue" car is one with no or very little computer intervention: no traction control, no stability control, no electroncially controlled active differential or torque vectoring, no or minimal electronic control over engine functions, no electronic throttle, no "smart adaptive" transmissions, etc, etc.

Or does "analogue" simply mean the driver has full control over all functions rather than a computer aiding/optimzing some tasks for the driver? Does ABS qualify as an electronic aid? Does electric assisted power steering? Would love to hear people's thoughts on this.

 

[Giannis]

My impression of an "analogue" car is one with no or very little computer intervention: no traction control, no stability control, no electroncially controlled active differential or torque vectoring, no or minimal electronic control over engine functions, no electronic throttle, no "smart adaptive" transmissions, etc, etc.

Or does "analogue" simply mean the driver has full control over all functions rather than a computer aiding/optimzing some tasks for the driver? Does ABS qualify as an electronic aid? Does electric assisted power steering? Would love to hear people's thoughts on this.

I consider analogue a car with absolutely no electronic, electric and hydraulic aids. The only electronic accepted is fuel injection, with hydraulic steering being borderline acceptable.

ABS changes the driving experience vastly. You can brake 100% and steer at the same time, while a car with no ABS requires a very different approach. Since no ABS is acceptable, so are ESP, TC, etc, as well as electronic diffs.

In my book, an analogue car is a car that's 100% back to basics. An analogue car is massive fun nowadays, when you can't buy anything with a pure mechanical feel. This is one of the reasons that my daily driver is an analogue car. It may not be easy or relaxing to drive, but it's so alive, that always brings a smile to my face.

 

[mini_cooper4]

I consider analogue a car with absolutely no electronic, electric and hydraulic aids. The only electronic accepted is fuel injection, with hydraulic steering being borderline acceptable.

ABS changes the driving experience vastly. You can brake 100% and steer at the same time, while a car with no ABS requires a very different approach. Since no ABS is acceptable, so are ESP, TC, etc, as well as electronic diffs.

In my book, an analogue car is a car that's 100% back to basics. An analogue car is massive fun nowadays, when you can't buy anything with a pure mechanical feel. This is one of the reasons that my daily driver is an analogue car. It may not be easy or relaxing to drive, but it's so alive, that always brings a smile to my face.

There's a brand with three letters for you
How not to love Trevor!

 

[bimmerjph]

Videos like this make me truly think the car enthusiasts best days are behind us. Kind of depressing really.

There's a brand with three letters for you

lol I wish. Sadly, that brand doesn't give a flying **** about that kind of stuff any more.

 

[mini_cooper4]

Videos like this make me truly think the car enthusiasts best days are behind us. Kind of depressing really.




lol I wish. Sadly, that brand doesn't give a flying **** about that kind of stuff any more.

Nah, I was talking about Trevor a.k.a. TVR

 

[bimmerjph]

Nah, I was talking about Trevor a.k.a. TVR

Oh.... I forgot about them. Thats annoying.

in my defense they technically don't care about that anymore as they aren't back yet.

 

[martinbo]

Trevor's not back. They've merely dug up his coffin and opened the lid.

 

[Sunny]

Oh, come on....it's not that bad, is it? The term "analogue" car is puzzling to me. What exactly does that mean? It can't simply mean a manual transmission, does it? There are plenty of old (and current) cars with slush box style automatic transmissions with very little "digital tech".

My impression of an "analogue" car is one with no or very little computer intervention: no traction control, no stability control, no electroncially controlled active differential or torque vectoring, no or minimal electronic control over engine functions, no electronic throttle, no "smart adaptive" transmissions, etc, etc.

Or does "analogue" simply mean the driver has full control over all functions rather than a computer aiding/optimzing some tasks for the driver? Does ABS qualify as an electronic aid? Does electric assisted power steering? Would love to hear people's thoughts on this.

Yes, there are plenty of old cars with slush box style automatic transmissions with very little "digital tech" but I doubt they would make it into a "greatest driver's cars of the last few decades" list either.

Perhaps analogue isn't even the most apt term here. But I agree that 'analogue' or any other term that tries to capture the sentiment of a driver focused car has shades of grey and I guess everyone has their definition of what is kosher or not. In my book, a driver has four fundamental functions to operate a vehicle - steering, accelerating, braking and shifting. I draw the line with the driver still operating those four.

ps. Outside of this discussion of what is analogue vs not debate, I have a very favourable view of technology that works transparently vs the ones that replaces the driver.

 

[mini_cooper4]

Trevor's not back. They've merely dug up his coffin and opened the lid.

You can always find a few survivals on the second hand market

 

[mihc]

Does anyone have test scans mclaren f1 vs analogue rivals from evo magazine?