mbworld.org: why give up over 50 ft. lbs of torque for a messely 40 hp?


Well torque is obviously important... and if you swap the engine by reducing torque and increasing HP while keeping the same weight on the car, then performance will drop a bit in certain areas. That's probably why they are b!tching.
 
TycoonGTR said:
GTA is a member there as well, is he ridiculous too

I noticed merc1 and Nevada Jack are there, but merc1 is under a different name!

I wonder what would happen if I registered there with my username, and a sig saying 'Mercedes suck'!:D
 
i am sure the E63 will be just as quick or even quicker than the E55 during rolling acceleration because the new V8 is lighter, and the 7-G gearbox has closer ratios with quicker shifting speed. AMG is no stupid enough to release a new car that is SLOWER than the model it replaces
 
BMW_Dude said:
I noticed merc1 and Nevada Jack are there, but merc1 is under a different name!

Yeah I'm "Germancar1" over there because "Merc1" was taken.

M
 
rightnow said:
To be honest i cant understand how they could like Mercedes cars in general..

Maybe you caught me at a bad time, but I'll say this - don't post uesless, provocative comments that offer nothing to the argument.

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As for everyone else, neither torque nor power are the whole story. Maybe the MB fans are just worried that their foundations are shifting under them - that now they've lost the mountainous torque, and will somehow have to make do with simply 'a lot'. Maybe they don't think the power was worth it.

IMO, what's more important than either figure is the time over which torque and power are produced - power and torque by themselves are merely two methods of measuring what is more or less the same thing. What you want is lots of torque throughout a large rev range, and the peak power will come somewhere in that rev range. If you can get a peak torque (or 90% of peak torque, or whatever) at a relatively low point in the rev band, and peak power at a relatively high point in the rev band, then all the space in between is useful rev range for you to drive in.

Importantly, this must all be seen in light of the transmission. Never forget the transmission - it's not just something that sits in between the engine and the wheels, it's a force multiplier. That way, if you can get a well coordinated set of gears with a wide useable rev range, then you'll get the best real life performance.

Well, all that is actually just armchair theorising. But IMHO, there is no possible way the new E63 won't comfortably beat the E55.
 
wow some ppl need to step out of the box and think.. will MB make a new replacement of a performance sedan..wich doesent perform as well as the old one??
come on..
 
Snake Vargas said:
As for everyone else, neither torque nor power are the whole story. Maybe the MB fans are just worried that their foundations are shifting under them - that now they've lost the mountainous torque, and will somehow have to make do with simply 'a lot'. Maybe they don't think the power was worth it.

IMO, what's more important than either figure is the time over which torque and power are produced - power and torque by themselves are merely two methods of measuring what is more or less the same thing. What you want is lots of torque throughout a large rev range, and the peak power will come somewhere in that rev range. If you can get a peak torque (or 90% of peak torque, or whatever) at a relatively low point in the rev band, and peak power at a relatively high point in the rev band, then all the space in between is useful rev range for you to drive in.

Importantly, this must all be seen in light of the transmission. Never forget the transmission - it's not just something that sits in between the engine and the wheels, it's a force multiplier. That way, if you can get a well coordinated set of gears with a wide useable rev range, then you'll get the best real life performance.

Well, all that is actually just armchair theorising. But IMHO, there is no possible way the new E63 won't comfortably beat the E55.

You lot don't need me around anymore to moderate. What an awesome, well-informed, articulated post that spells "how it is" out in a clear, understandable fashion without resorting to engineering jargon. Great post Snake, great post. :bowdown:
 
Thanks, Martin - I consider that praise from you is high praise indeed. :usa7uh:

Well, I'm glad that the usual 'king of detail' gives my notions the pass - but don't go anywhere, we appreciate you around - and even if not to moderate, then to regale us with your wisdom and information! :cool:
 
Americans love torque.

The old model had arguably too much torque than it could handle. This new engine is sportier and a more racier engine. The old one was good for storming down motorways.

On a race track this engine will make a huge difference.
 

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