M2 M2 Confirmed by BMW and a Supercar might be a reality

[Zafiro]

It’s a BMW M car revolution! We’re kicking off our special issue with the news every fan of the performance arm will want to hear: that it’s gearing up to rival the Porsche Cayman and Audi TT RS with a new M2 coupe.


Auto Express spoke exclusively to the M Division’s new managing director, Dr Friedrich Nitschke, and he revealed the car was key to his plans. Plus, it’s only the start.


A revolutionary new M3 is also in the pipeline, and there are discussions over a Lamborghini Aventador-rivalling supercar. The ambitious plans will help BMW take the fight to the quattro GmbH performance arm which makes S and RS-badged Audis, plus the R8.
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[donkeykong]

Mid engine mount?

 

[SKY]

A BMW with the same philosophy than the Porsche 918 coudl perfectly be the reference out there. Just look at the new M5 beating the Panny.

 

[Cashmere]

Believe it when I see it.

 

[klier]

A BMW with the same philosophy than the Porsche 918 coudl perfectly be the reference out there. Just look at the new M5 beating the Panny.

When the price is the same, a BMW usually is better than a Porsche. Think 911 Carrera vs M3. Or M5 vs Panny Turbo. Or X5 M vs Cayenne Turbo; 911 needs a GT3/GTS to win from M3 (way more expensive, 40k difference here), Panny/Cayenne need Turbo S (both way more expensive than M5/X5 M. Like 50k)

 

[LaArtist]

^^2nd that

 

[klier]

^^2nd that

Yeah me too. And particularly because BMW would be making a real supercar, and not an R8/SLS type car according to this report. Aventador is a full class up. Not really likely when you'v never made a supercar yourself. SLS class sounds more likely (which would obviously be great too).

 

[LaArtist]

^Yes i belive so to..IF ( and thats a big IF) they make it..it will be a R8/SLS/911/458 competitor..and lord knows that more than a mouthful..
Just look at Mclaren Failing

 

[SCOTT27]

I will go into further detail later...

It is not an Aventador rival per se. But it stems from the strategy I talked about previously regarding BMW M and M-One and M-Two.
M-One was the larger sports car concept utilising the V8 or Six Cylinder and was aimed directly at the Mercedes-Benz SLSAMG/SLC? , Porsche 911 and Audi R8.
M-Two was the smaller proposed Cayman/Boxster competitor.

Both projects are being considered in light of BMW making greater use of the M-Sub brand. BMWi will feature BMWi Specific projects the i3 and i8 initially and they are not created from BMW's. BMW M is considered to be the division that brings out the higher peformance BMW's. But now BMW would like BMW M to stand on it's own two feet as well as BMWi and are considering two stand alone concepts developed and engineered under BMW M. Meaning there will be no accompanying BMW.
Pure M. Although we are still discussing and finding our feet to decide which one gets priority and how we can bring it to production and of course cost effectively.

To help fund these two cars , you will see the expansion of the M-brand and given that @ BMW the X5M and X6M are considered "Volume" sellers , BMW will open up the SAV market to accomodate the BMW X3M and the BMW X1M. Both expected to be volume sellers especially for those that want a high performance Compact or Mid-Sized SAV. Both BMW X3M and BMW X1M will launch the powerplants that will feature under the next generation BMW M3 and M2 models in Six cylinder and four cylinder respectively.

 

[Mr Robert]

So, it will be a V6 afterall?

 

[Human]

IMO a I6 I really don't think a V6 is part of BMW's future.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Do you seriously believe what you write?

When the price is the same, a BMW usually is better than a Porsche. Think 911 Carrera vs M3.

The 911 is nowhere near the same price as an M3. And many people would argue the 911 is better than the M3 anyway.

Or M5 vs Panny Turbo.

Nobody has driven the M5 so how do you know it's better than the Panamera?

Or X5 M vs Cayenne Turbo;

Really? A lot of the reviews said the Cayenne was better.

911 needs a GT3/GTS to win from M3 (way more expensive, 40k difference here),

Complete and utter rhetoric. Any 911 model holds it's own against the M3.

 

[klier]

LOL, why do you even waste your time talking to me???

I don't respond to your nonsense anymore Betty. Might as well just block me. I do not care AT ALL about what you think of what I say.
I respond now, ok, but I am not going to discuss the on-topic stuff with you. Not now and not ever. We're way past this. I can't deal with insanity.

What is surprising though, you didn't make 4 posts with 4 quotes of me. You instead put them all in one post for once. Bravo man! I didn't know you had it in you!!

But because I can't resist (damn I am weak ), I am going to prove how much BS you write all the time without knowing it yourself (the sad part of this whole thing):

The 911 is nowhere near the same price as an M3. And many people would argue the 911 is better than the M3 anyway.

911 Carrera in the country you live: euro 116.000
BMW M3 in the country you live: euro 113.915

That's the CHEAPEST 911 in my country. Still 2.000 euros more expensive than E92 M3, but roughly similarly priced. No wonder all 911 are better than M3 when the more expensive models cost TWICE as much as M3.
And then you're telling me any model 911 holds it's own against M3. No freaking kidding man!! My whole point was that when a Porsche and a BMW cost the same, the BMW is the better car.

Don't bother reply to me Bettey, I am not going to respond anymore now to you. The only reason you're not on my block list is because I like reading the BS you write all the time.

 

[Deckhook]

This M2, will it be a stand alone model or will it be based on a normal BMW series car?

Also if it is going to take on the Cayman will it be a proper 2 seater like the Z4 only without the silly folding roof which killed it as a true performance car?

 

[klier]

Good questions!

I think the M2 will be based on the 2er, which in it's turn simply is a next gen 1er coupe but with a new name.
So it will not take on the Cayman and TT in that sense, as it will be a 4 seater with a rear bench??

To make a TT RS/Cayman competitor they simply have to give the Z4 a fixed roof. Z4 with fixed roof is minus 200 kg, easy. Will do wonders to handling and agility..... so maybe a true Z4 coupe for the facelift, and a true Z4 M coupe while where at it. Just like they did with the previous generation basically.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

911 Carrera in the country you live: euro 116.000
BMW M3 in the country you live: euro 113.915

That's the CHEAPEST 911 in my country. Still 2.000 euros more expensive than E92 M3, but roughly similarly priced. No wonder all 911 are better than M3 when the more expensive models cost TWICE as much as M3.

If you're only going to refer to The Netherlands (which is a pretty small market) then you can hardly draw a suitable conclusion. On the whole, the 911 is much more expensive than the M3. Try these three markets and compare their entry level base prices:

Germany
911 €85,538
M3 €68,750

Porsche is €16,788 more expensive, which is 24% more expensive.

UK
911 £67,270
M3 £54,690

Porsche is £12,580 more expensive, which is 23%.

US
911 $79,000
M3 $58,900

Porsche is $20,100 more expensive, which is 34% more expensive.

And then you're telling me any model 911 holds it's own against M3.

I'm saying that even considering that the 911 is generally much more expensive than the M3, there are many people, especially those that look beyond figures on a piece of paper, who still think the 911 is better than the M3. People who care about steering feel. People who care about driving enjoyment. I do wonder what exactly you mean by "better".

the BMW is the better car.

I'm sorry you feel you cannot accept my opinion but what you said was simply not true. There is no need for the abusive post against me just because I challenge your misguided opinions. You really should learn how to deal with people who have a different opinion to yours.

 

[klier]

But Betty, you do realize this makes my original point even stronger, right?
I have to admit I didn't realize the 911 is only so close to M3 in my market, but that makes the M3 point even stronger in other markets. Porsche simply can't offer the bang for the buck like BMW does. Well maybe they can, but they do not have anything in their portfolio, nor have they in the past 50 years. Maybe they don't want or need. But that's becoming a whole different story.

 

[SCOTT27]

The strategy is two offer to M vehicles that are not based on BMW's although chassis and powertrains can be used from respective M variants.
Similar in concept to what BMWi will offer with the i3 and i8. Two stand alone concepts away from the core BMW portfolio. But will be pure M high Performance Sports cars.

M-One is seen as a R8/SLS/SLSAMG/911 car with unique body and engine (existing BMW M units but with more power) - M-One could hypothetically receive a more powerful variation of the next M3's Six Cylinder which has it's benefits in size and weight. Given the flexibility of the BMW architecture found under the F20/F30 3er the platform could be used cost effectively as the architecture can be configured for both rear and mid mount of the engine aswell as the front.

M-Two is seen as a more smaller variation of the M-one in style with again thought to either rear or mid-mounted engine placement. Interesting and again hypothetically because discussions continue . The M-Two could be equipped with a more powerful turbo charged four cylinder or to really set about raising the bar . A high Performance variant of the forthcoming BMW three-cylinder (N37) which would contribute greatly to the lighter weight concept of the M-Two.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

But Betty, you do realize this makes my original point even stronger, right?

No it doesn't because you said that where the Porsche is the same price as the BMW, the BMW is better. Well, the base 911 is significantly MORE expensive than the M3 yet there are many people who would still argue that the 911 is preferable due to greater driving satisfaction. On what basis are you saying the M3 is "better" than the M3? In terms of performance, even the base 911 is pretty much the same as the M3. There's very little in it. And the stronger residuals of the Porsche make the initial price difference less important.

I have to admit I didn't realize the 911 is only so close to M3 in my market

Really? Therefore your torrent of abuse about what I wrote being BS was unjustified then, because in actual fact I was talking sense. Your post has been reported so I suggest you edit it before somebody edits it for you. How you get away with the insults you make I will never know.

Porsche simply can't offer the bang for the buck like BMW does.

There are many cars cheaper than the M3 that offer better "bang for the buck" than the M3, but it doesn't make them better does it? I seriously think you look at spec sheets and decide that because the M3 has more power than the 911 Carrera, it MUST be better.

 

[donkeykong]

Please don't let the front look like that.