Latest Audi F1 Rumor More Detailed and Likely More Legit than Before


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A rumor centering out of AutoExpress suggests big changes are afoot at Audi Sport. If true, the story signals an Audi Sport departure from LMP1 sportscar racing and also the DTM in favor of F1. Audi’s supposed recent hiring of former Ferrari team boss Stefano Domenicali as potential successor to Dr. Wolfgang Ullrich also weighs into the plan.

It’s no secret that Ullrich has never really been a fan of Formula One. Every time rumors of an Audi move to the top tier of open wheel racing would come up, Ullrich didn’t waste time batting them down on the grounds that Le Mans and the WEC were better platforms by which to develop technology for road going cars. That Le Mans also allowed Audi to play with technology like diesel and hybrid racecars over the last few years only seemed to reinforce the statement.

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On the other hand, the DTM series was always a bit of a head scratcher. The chassis is effectively spec, with non-production brand specific bodywork and Audi engines supplied by an outside source in the UK. Audi’s rich heritage in the DTM and touring car racing in general, plus the series’ strong following in Germany and excellent availability online helped make a case, but the series still never really seemed to pass Ullrich’s “Why We Don’t Race in F1″ theorizations. Perhaps the DTM decision was made at higher levels.

Apparently the decision to go to F1 is also being made on higher levels. It seems the WEC/Le Mans budget will be rolled together with the DTM budget in order to make a go at F1. The report suggests Audi is eyeing an established team as acquisition, namely Red Bull or Red Bull Toro Rosso, though others like Sauber could also be targets. When it comes to tech though, that could go in house as the AutoExpress report suggests they’re working on a 1.6-liter V6, and have been developing it since earlier this year.

If the Domenicali rumor is correct, and AutoExpress seems to think it is, then this could also signal potential drivers. Domenicali has been linked to Fernando Alonso, who departs Ferrari at the end of this season.

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There’s no doubt Audi’s Le Mans fans will feel this as a hit. Cars developed for Le Mans are usually on a three-year program and the current R18 won its first outing this year. Had it won its second and third outings, Audi would bump up to 15 wins at Le Mans versus its current 13. To be honest, the team has only really been beaten at Le Mans once (by Peugeot in 2009). It also lost to Bentley, but to many (including us) that doesn’t really count considering the Bentley was campaigned by Team Joest with Audi drivers and running an Audi engine. Ingolstadt’s dominance in Le Mans is hard to ignore, and knocking at the door of Porsche’s record of 16 wins likely doesn’t sit well with the Porsche and Piech families who hold a fair amount of sway at the Volkswagen Group and thus Audi.

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What this means for the current Audi Sport family also remains to be seen. Tom Kristensen’s retirement has also been rumored since former teammates Dindo Capello and Allan McNish have retired, however the winningest driver ever at Le Mans remains competitive in his pace. Younger contracted drivers and 2014 Le Mans winners Lotterer/Fassler/Treluyer could go to Porsche as a third driver team much like Romain Dumas and Timo Bernhard were “leant” to Audi following the RS Spyder era. That Andre Lotterer rather surprisingly also went and did an F1 race this year also shouldn’t be ignored.

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The AutoExpress report also mentions Audi Sport customer racing. The Audi R8 LMS has proven to be a profit center for Audi, so development will continue in this regard. No new TT RS VLN has yet to be announced, though a new TT Cup series has. Perhaps too this might be a time to explore the idea of customer LMP programs minus costly technology like TDI or hybridization and wage an all-out assault on localized sportscar series like the Tudor United Sportscar Championship. There’ve been rumors of the latter, but nothing concrete.

Looking ahead to F1, it has always been an interesting proposition. Yes, this would mean big changes for Audi’s loyal fan base and it would be a hit to the WEC who is sure to have a halcyon season this coming year with no less than Audi, Porsche, Toyota and Nissan battling it out for overall dominance. Even still, an Audi presence in F1 would mean a return of the four rings to Grand Prix racing from a hiatus that began before World War II when the Auto Union Silver Arrows battled it out with German rivals Mercedes-Benz. Audi squaring off with brands like Mercedes, Ferrari and McLaren would make for an interesting future.

Okay, But How Reliable Is This Report?

We’ll be honest. We started this website under the Ullrich era and have attended Le Mans no less than nine times. We really don’t want it to end. We want Audi to become the winningest brand at Le Mans and then some. We want Audi to take advantage of the growing dominance of the WEC/Le Mans platform and also to enjoy the fruits of its labors in lobbying for small displacement turbos in DTM racing just as that platform moves to solidify its presence in Japan and the USA. F1 was the last thing on our wish list, but we’re still excited by the challenge.

All that said, F1 rumors have come around before and are usually batted down. We’re less likely to disregard this one. It was penned by Australian motoring writer Michael Taylor. We’ve gotten to know Michael over the years and have come to count him amongst our club of most often correct soothsayers in the industry rumor business, alongside others like Georg Kacher and Greg Kable. Michael knows his shit.

On top of that, Michael was just at the A6/A7 launch in Germany. Why is that significant? It’s significant because you get to hang out with executives who know what’s up when it comes to looking forward. Yes, far-reaching ideas can and will be subject to change, but they’re great litmus as to what’s going to happen in the future. In short, we’re taking this one VERY seriously.

Want to learn more? Read Michael’s piece in AutoExpress HERE, or a longer piece by the same author HERE.

Editor’s Note: The illustration at the top of this story is a render of an Audi F1 car published by this website as part of an independent designer highlight series by Australian designer Kim Stapleton and is not a real car.

http://fourtitude.com/news/motorsport_news_6/latest-audi-f1-rumor-detailed-likely-legit/

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http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Commun...l-Porsche-or-Audi-really-race-in-Formula-One/

The F1 riddle: will Porsche or Audi really race in Formula One?
By Georg Kacher

Motorsport

02 December 2014 12:52



F1 is dominated by Bernie Ecclestone, the incredibly wealthy and influential Brit who keeps most protagonists on a remarkably short leash. The 84-year-old Napoleon of motor racing is a thorn in the side of the 77-year-old Ferdinand Piech, the VW scion who is not a great fan of sharing power and profits either.

According to those in the know, Piech would only contemplate F1 if Ecclestone was prepared to give the teams a much bigger portion of the earnings. This would take a while - which is why VW’s most optimistic game plan for top-drawer motor racing starts about three years from now.

Three years is the estimated timeframe for a deal to be signed, for a team to set up, and for the initial brand-related input to bear fruit.

Which brand is VW preparing for F1?
Right now, the internal duel in the corridors of Wolfsburg is between Audi and Porsche. It’s worth stressing that in the current constellation, it is still a hypothetical battle, with virtual warriors and highly provisional rules. But believe us: the conversations are happening.

Audi has just signed off a €22 billion investment plan which it hopes will be instrumental in boosting annual production to two million units by 2020. No, this plan does not specifically mention F1, but its buffer zone is healthy enough to fund two all-new models and an even more ambitious motorsport strategy.

Audi in F1: the background
If Audi does join the grand prix circus, it would be the make’s third serious attempt at premier league racing. Over 20 years ago, Middle East money was at hand to finance Audi’s own engine, car and infrastructure - but then the oil bubble burst and the lords of the ring kept the engine up to to date for four consecutive seasons just in case the sheiks would reconsider.

In 1998, Audi bought Cosworth with the clear intent to enter F1, but again the deal failed to materialise and the engine specialist was subsequently spun off to Ford.

In the summer of 2014, the chequered flag taskforce reconvened once more at the green baize table, and this time Dietrich Mateschitz of Red Bull fame was allegedly part of the equation. The first round of talks centered around Toro Rosso, sources say. But according to two informants from Ingolstadt, the focus has recently switched to Red Bull.

To go solo or to forge a partnership in F1
Entering F1 with a partner rather than with a white piece of paper is exactly what Herr Mateschitz did when he acquired Jaguar F1, which had started life as Stewart Racing. Audi has apparently also voiced interest in a partnership, be it Toro Rosso or Red Bull. We don’t expect a decision before 2015, but there is no need to hurry since both teams’ engine deals are cast in stone and, besides, it takes the aforementioned three years before a competitive new powerplant is ready to strike.

That means no Audi F1 engine before 2018 at the earliest, and no sooner than 2019 for a new monoposto designed from scratch. Add two more learning years, and it becomes clear that the New German Racing Team would not be ready to pitch for the championship before 2021 or 2022. If this game plan does bear fruit, Stefano Domenicali - ex-Ferrari F1, now with Audi in a diffuse stand-by position - is of course one possible candidate for the motorsport director’s position.

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Could VW approve a Porsche F1 effort instead?
What about Porsche’s ambitions to upgrade from LMP to F1? In the past, the Swabians have competed three times in F1. In the early 1960s, they fielded the 718 and 804 with mixed success. In the mid-‘80s, Porsche did extremely well with the TAG-Turbo entered by McLaren. The next foray was the overweight and slow Footwork Arrows racer which went exactly nowhere in the 1991-1993 seasons.

This time, Porsche would have to start from scratch again, but thanks to the LMP1 venture there is already a highly competent top-tier motorsport R&D team in place, with many specialists having previously worked for Red Bull or Sauber. Although an accurate assessment is difficult to make, Porsche may be a little better prepared for Hamilton-and-Vettel-bashing than Audi.

Why? Because Audi has lately been involved heavily in diesel development. Because it farms out a large portion of the technical development work to predominantly British specialist suppliers and engineers. And because the team and the back-up organisation are more familiar with touring car and endurance racing.

How and when will Volkswagen make its F1 decision?
Although most of the group’s key players have their thinking caps on, no decision has yet been made. After all, the Ecclestone blocker is still unresolved, the F1 rules are not sufficiently watertight, and despite the comeback of Honda the future competitive environment may not be transparent enough for high-end entrants like Audi or Porsche.

In addition, the string-pullers in Wolfsburg are keen on finding a potent main sponsor who would have to carry the lion’s share of the financial risk. The brand - Audi, or Porsche - must be properly prepared for that sportier new image, and the racing activities within the VW group would need to be spread more evenly to prosper.

Mid-term, WRC, LMP and F1 deserve three different umbrellas.

Do you think Volkswagen will sanction a return to F1? Let us know in the comments below.

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Interesting. I heard Ford is going back to LeMans, and I hope they win; and I also heard Porsche will take Audi's place in LM. I mean, they were fighting each other but if Audi leaves, Porsche will have it easier.
Audi will then go and fight Mercedes at F1, I guess?
This feels like marketing chess. Your move, Mercedes. etc
Win on Sunday, sell on Monday
 
Interesting. I heard Ford is going back to LeMans, and I hope they win; and I also heard Porsche will take Audi's place in LM. I mean, they were fighting each other but if Audi leaves, Porsche will have it easier.
Audi will then go and fight Mercedes at F1, I guess?
This feels like marketing chess. Your move, Mercedes. etc
Win on Sunday, sell on Monday
Mercedes has been baiting Audi and BMW to challenge them in F1. It will be great to see the big 3 German company to compete in the top Motorsport category again, especially from BMW.
 
It will be great to see the big 3 German company to compete in the top Motorsport category again, especially from BMW.
I don't know much about racing but it would be great indeed. I was hoping Mercedes could hold it's own at F1 when the season began. I wanted them to win. I didn't knew they had such a beast of a car haha
Now I'll be cheering Honda though. I mean; VTEC F1, yo
Will be interesting.
 
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Mercedes wants BMW, Audi in F1

Mercedes would like to go head-to-head in F1 with Germany's other two premium carmaker brands.

That is the claim of Daimler CEO Dieter Zetsche, after Mercedes-Benz in 2014 finally succeeded in winning the drivers' and constructors' championships with a dominant display.

Zetsche told Germany's Sport Bild: "We share - and I'm talking about the premium business - about 80 per cent of the world market share with Audi and BMW.

"Of course," he added, "we greatly admire Red Bull and Ferrari and the other teams, nevertheless other manufacturer teams would be very much welcomed by us."

Mercedes bought and renamed the title-winning Brawn GP team - formerly Honda - after 2009 and initially targeted success with the F1 legend Michael Schumacher.

Zetsche admitted: "We never imagined that success would be so difficult and take so long to achieve."

But he said that Mercedes is now fully committed to F1.

"If we do something, we do it properly," said Zetsche. "Therefore, we have at no time asked the fundamental question, and nor do we have plans to change anything on that commitment now."

He admitted that the new electric open wheeler series Formula E is "worth considering" from Mercedes' point of view, but he ruled out Le Mans.

"A whole year working for 24 hours, we do not consider to be a good cost-benefit radio," said Zetsche.

He also played down all the current talk about F1 being in crisis.

"It is absurd to say formula one is dead," said the 61-year-old. "I cannot think of a more exciting season.

"All the criticism was led largely by those who were not successful," Zetsche added.

And he also blamed people like Bernie Ecclestone for talking F1 down in 2014.

"Most definitely we have not sufficiently exploited the potential of formula one, because the official channels of communication have not been used in a professional way," said Zetsche.

"We are more committed than ever in contributing to professionalise the sport in this regard.

"Better engaging younger fans is a central question," he added.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/114120185177/mercedes-wants-bmw-audi-in-f1
 
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Audi recruit adds more fuel to F1 rumours

Audi appears to be taking more steps towards a potential F1 foray in the near future.

Rumours of a project were fuelled recently when ousted Ferrari boss Stefano Domenicali resurfaced at the German carmaker, where the Italian is reportedly conducting a feasibility study into a turbo V6 design for the VW-owned brand.

Now, it emerges that former Honda, Brawn, BMW and Williams technical chief Jorg Zander will start work as Audi Sport's new head of technology on 1 January.

Volkswagen's brands, however, have consistently played down speculation of a F1 project, and Bernie Ecclestone said earlier this month that he thinks a foray is unlikely.

"They (VW) have been out there for long enough and haven't made a big enough effort to come in," he told Forbes' F1 business writer Christian Sylt.

Source: WCF
 
Given the spat between Mercedes and Renault/Ferrari over unfreezing the engine regulation I think Audi are now having cold feet. Why enter a sport with the promise that 6 cylinders and energy recovery will be future, if that exact promise can be tossed into the bin by a protest?
 

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