Lamborghini Centenario LP770-4


I honestly believe they lost the plot...I mean, they were always insane-looking, but substance was somehow also there with the Countach, the Diablo or the Murcielago
The Murcielago was basically a Diablo with a brand new exterior and interior, Lamborghini/Audi made a huge effort with the current Aventador. It didn't have "race car" inspired aero designs but there is real race car engineering beauty under the skin, such as the carbon fiber monocoque, inboard suspension and that great big mid engine N/A V12. IMO the Aventador is a very underrated car.

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those sidevents were bigger than i thought they would be (compared to the patent images), but then again it requires a lot of cooling air
Honestly I don't think so, Look at the Zonda, the Huayra, and the LaFerrari, all mid engine V12 super cars with less dramatic cooling needs than the less powerful Lamborghini.
 
IMO the Aventador is a very underrated car.

Technically it ticks a lot of boxes (CF, inboard suspension, mid engine) but from the driver's perspective, it falls short of Ferrari's F12 which happens to use less exotic materials (no CF) and more conventional design (front/mid engine and double wishbone front & multi-link rear). The Aventador is a show piece, inside and out.
 
Honestly I don't think so, Look at the Zonda, the Huayra, and the LaFerrari, all mid engine V12 super cars with less dramatic cooling needs than the less powerful Lamborghini.
The only one more powerful than the Lambo is the Laferrari but not by much....770 HP for the Lambo vs 800 for the Ferrari. And I'm not sure how you're judging cooling just by looking at the cars.
 
Technically it ticks a lot of boxes (CF, inboard suspension, mid engine) but from the driver's perspective, it falls short of Ferrari's F12 which happens to use less exotic materials (no CF) and more conventional design (front/mid engine and double wishbone front & multi-link rear). The Aventador is a show piece, inside and out.
Perhaps the LP700 is more of a hammer compared to the F12 scalpal, but a huge portion of that is attributable to the AWD and the lack of a dual clutch...however that is a part of the character of the car. Ultimately on track, lambos efforts with the suspension and chassis show themselves via better lap times, despite weighing more and having less power.
 
The Murcielago was basically a Diablo with a brand new exterior and interior, Lamborghini/Audi made a huge effort with the current Aventador. It didn't have "race car" inspired aero designs but there is real race car engineering beauty under the skin, such as the carbon fiber monocoque, inboard suspension and that great big mid engine N/A V12. IMO the Aventador is a very underrated car.

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I keep forgetting how much thought and engineering was put into this car whenever I see a video of some jack-ass being a jack-ass. Also, I think I am over the super-wedge design that has been Lamborghini's trademark since the Countach. It looks loud but doesn't look sexy.
 
Perhaps the LP700 is more of a hammer compared to the F12 scalpal, but a huge portion of that is attributable to the AWD and the lack of a dual clutch...however that is a part of the character of the car. Ultimately on track, lambos efforts with the suspension and chassis show themselves via better lap times, despite weighing more and having less power.

Motor Trend took an Aventador to Laguna Seca for their car of the year test a few years ago. It did not perform well. The car could not handle multiple laps on track.

Don't read too much into lap times. Would you rather have a car that is fast or fun to drive?
 
Motor Trend took an Aventador to Laguna Seca for their car of the year test a few years ago. It did not perform well. The car could not handle multiple laps on track.

Don't read too much into lap times. Would you rather have a car that is fast or fun to drive?
Not sure what was wrong with their Aventador...it weighed 200 lbs more than any other one tested.

Furthermore your question is not really relevant in terms of the technology that goes into the car. Not saying fun vs fast car isn't a valid point of discussion, but as to whether or not the Aventador is show vs go (ie showpiece) given the tech it has (which you listed), then its a no-brainer that it car perform given the laptimes its put down, which are better than those put down by the F12.

Also, MT test aside, I highly doubt that the LP700 can't do a few hotlaps. I certainly don't expect either LP700 or F12 to be a track car given their weights though.
 
Not sure what was wrong with their Aventador...it weighed 200 lbs more than any other one tested.

Furthermore your question is not really relevant in terms of the technology that goes into the car. Not saying fun vs fast car isn't a valid point of discussion, but as to whether or not the Aventador is show vs go (ie showpiece) given the tech it has (which you listed), then its a no-brainer that it car perform given the laptimes its put down, which are better than those put down by the F12.

Also, MT test aside, I highly doubt that the LP700 can't do a few hotlaps. I certainly don't expect either LP700 or F12 to be a track car given their weights though.

I'm not sure what you're getting at. The Aventador is a pure show car, which I stated in my original post:

The Aventador is a show piece, inside and out.

What I mean by this is that the Aventador is designed to check as many objective boxes as possible. When I say objective, I mean measurable or quantitative features. It has a V12, CF construction and inboard suspension. Performance also falls into the objective category. It has ~700hp. It goes from 0-60 in whatever and can lap X track in Y time. Those are measurable data points.

The Bugatti Veyron/Chiron is an exaggerated example of this objective mindset with its focus being solely on HP and top speed (objective measurements). The Porsche 918 also falls under this category. It was designed to meet a certain CO2 output and lap the Ring under a certain time.

My original post was merely to highlight the fact that the F12 is widely regarded as the better driver's car (a subjective measure) despite falling short of the Aventador's impressive objective check list. Unless you plan to park the Aventador's bare chassis in your living room, I don't see the appeal.

Regarding track time, there was a F12 running full 20 minute track sessions (4 total) last time I was at Streets of Willow raceway. It did not show any signs of slowing down over the course of the day.
 
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Automobili Lamborghini presented the Lamborghini Centenario at 2016 Geneva Motor Show, in the year the company celebrates the centenary of founder Ferruccio Lamborghini's birth. Only 20 coupé and 20 roadster versions of the Lamborghini Centenario will be produced and all 40 cars are already sold, at a start price of 1.75 million euros plus tax.

The Lamborghini Centenario continues Lamborghini's one-off strategy and demonstrates Lamborghini's innovative design and engineering competencies. Using the V12 architecture, the Centenario's naturally aspirated engine produces 770 hp and powers from 0-100 km/h in 2.8 seconds, and from 0-300 km/h in 23.5 seconds with a top speed of more than 350 km/h. Braking from 100 km/h to standstill is achieved in 30 meters. A monocoque and body in full carbon fiber provide a low weight of 1,520 kg and a weight to power ratio of just 1.97 kg/hp.

The car's aerodynamic design includes an extending rear wing providing more downforce at high speeds. The introduction of rear-wheel steering provides increased agility and stability, and an innovative touchscreen provides connected infotainment, including internet browsing and Apple CarPlay.

"The Centenario is a car that perfectly combines tradition and innovation. It looks to the future while honouring the legend that is Ferruccio Lamborghini," says Automobili Lamborghini President and CEO Stephan Winkelmann. "The Centenario is an opportunity for our designers and engineers to transcend some of the constraints of series car production to achieve an incomparable result: the Centenario has immediately proved itself as a desirable collectors' car, while demonstrating new Lamborghini technologies and outstanding performance. It is the most fitting tribute to Ferruccio Lamborghini in his centenary year: a man who created an exceptional brand, believed that anything was possible, and produced extraordinary, iconic cars. The Centenario is a super sports car for Ferruccio Lamborghini and the future he and we believe in today."

Design and aerodynamics

The Lamborghini Centenario is the truest expression of Lamborghini's commitment to new and inspirational design, allowing Lamborghini designers and engineers the freedom to create a technology demonstrator in the form of a limited edition.

The Lamborghini Centenario's pure and essential lines are evident in a new design language throughout, demonstrating the quintessence of Lamborghini's commitment to 'form follows function'. The car has a permeability, defined by the intakes, outlets and ducts that mark its aerodynamic superiority.

A mono line from front to back defines the recognisable Lamborghini contours, with long, low overhangs front and rear creating a clean, sensuous, mono-body shape. The Centenario measures 4.924 m long and 1.143 m high. Aerodynamic inlets made of several fins characterize both front and rear. Large air scoops in the front bonnet, while reminiscent of 1970s sports cars, are there for functionality: air is taken in through the car's front contributing to downforce on the front axle.

Furthermore, air flows through ducts within the front headlight casing and others in the sideskirts and around the wheel arches, improving the airflow to the rear radiators and providing optimized cooling. The roof including air scoops, takes its styling from aeronautic cues, enhanced by a hexagonal carbon fibre and glas engine cover.

The body of the Lamborghini Centenario is defined in a gloss carbon fibre. The front bonnet, scissor door panels (always reserved for V12 models) and roof line are fluent, aerodynamic and organic: the lower parts in matt carbon fibre are functional, technical and dedicated to aerodynamic superiority, including front splitter, side skirts, wheel arches and rear diffuser.

The irregular wheel arches, both front and rear, are a defining feature of the Lamborghini Centenario, as they have been in other Lamborghini models. Accented in matt carbon fibre and concealing airflow ducts, they highlight the aerodynamic design of the car. The profile of the rear wheel arch particularly attracts attention, accentuating the Centenario's rear-wheel steering. Pirelli PZero tyres, developed specifically for the rear-wheel steering, sit on exclusive 20"/21" front/rear rims in forged and milled aluminium. The spokes' fan shape, accented in carbon fibre, mask ducts extracting hot air from the carbon ceramic brakes, finished with a central-locking wheel nut sporting the Lamborghini bull logo.

The integrated rear diffuser dominates the back of the car, its substantial dimension optimising air flow distribution, maximising the car's downforce and aesthetically emphasising the importance of aerodynamics in the Lamborghini Centenario. Like many mechanical parts around the car, exposed to maximise heat exchange, the rear tyres are visible, while floating in the void above the diffuser are the Centenario's 'Y'-shaped rear lights. Seemingly suspended in air but attached at each end of the 'Y', the LED lights stretch the full width of the rear. The Centenario is as distinct at night as it is during the day.

An extendable rear wing is integrated in body when stationary or at low speeds to preserve the minimalist lines of the Lamborghini Centenario. According to vehicle dynamic conditions and Driving Mode chosen, the wing extends to 150mm and rotates up to 15 degrees for optimal aerodynamic efficiency in high performance conditions.

Power and performance

The Centenario takes Lamborghini's V12 engine as its powerplant, perfectly matching the dynamic potential of the car. The highly responsive engine, even at low revs, provides the unmistakeable resonance and characteristics that only a naturally aspirated engine can. Uprated to provide an output of 770 hp (566 kW) and with the engine speed limiter raised from 8,350 rpm to 8,600 rpm, the Centenario's is the most powerful engine produced by Lamborghini to date.

Accelerating from 0-100 km/h in just 2.8 seconds and from 0-300 km/h in just 23.5 seconds, the Lamborghini Centenario's top speed is more than 350 km/h. Braking distances are equally impressive: from 100-0 km/h in just 30 m and from 300-0 km/h in 290 m.

Chassis and drive

The body of the Centenario is built entirely in carbon fiber, with a monocoque and all other body parts and trims in carbon fiber. With a dry weight of just 1,520 kg, the Lamborghini Centenario achieves a weight-to-power ratio of 1.97 kg/hp and a torsional stiffness of 35.000 Nm per degree.

With permanent four-wheel drive, the Centenario adopts a new Lamborghini rear-wheel steering system. At low speeds the rear tires turn in the opposite direction of the steering angle which leads to a virtual reduction of the wheelbase. This provides increased turning agility at low speeds, requiring less steering angle and a reduced turning radius. At high speeds the rear tires turn in the same direction of the steering angle which leads to a virtual increase of the wheelbase. As a result the rear-wheel steering provides increased stability and optimises vehicle response. In the three Lamborghini driving modes, Strada, Sport and Corsa, the rear-wheel steering heightens the characteristics of each, particularly in lateral dynamics.

The Lamborghini Centenario is fitted with Lamborghini's magneto rheological suspension and Lamborghini Dynamic Steering (LDS), especially tuned for the Centenario's rearwheel steering and providing optimal responsiveness and driver feedback. Transmission is via Lamborghini's Independent Shifting Rod (ISR) gearbox, providing a lightweight and emotive solution to achieving the fastest gearshifts possible.

Interior - luxury and functionality

The luxurious interior can be finished to each Lamborghini Centenario client's specification. Sports seats in lightweight carbon fiber are included, with new stitching that features on the length of the dashboard, steering wheel, sunvisors, rocker covers, and the new inner door panels made of carbon fiber and Alcantara.

Functionality and connectivity are essential features of the Centenario. Including satellite navigation, a high definition 10.1 inch touchscreen connects the Lamborghini Centenario driver to both the car and the outside world. Users may browse the internet, connect to email and social media and use online applications such as web radio. Apple CarPlay is included, allowing a safe, effective way to make calls, request directions, play music and access the functionality of an iPhone.

The infotainment system includes a sophisticated telemetry function: the Centenario provides ultimate performance, both on road and, should an owner wish, on track: as evidenced by space for two helmets in the front trunk! The highly sophisticated telemetry allows speeds, times, lateral and G forces to be recorded and even compared between different occasions and different drivers. Two optional interior cameras allow the drivers' experiences to be recorded.

20 coupés and 20 roadsters

The Lamborghini Centenario will be produced as a limited edition, with only 20 coupés and 20 roadsters to be delivered from autumn 2016 and throughout 2017. All 40 Centenario models are sold, to collectors and Lamborghini enthusiasts around the world at a start price of 1.75 million euro plus tax. The company OPAC has been an important partner involved in the new model's construction together with Lamborghini's Research & Development department.

Shown in Geneva in an entirely carbon fiber finish, clients can specify their Lamborghini Centenario to include exposed carbon fiber or any colour and finish from Lamborghini's Ad Personam personalisation programme.

The Centenario continues Lamborghini's strategy of producing one-off cars and exclusive limited editions, which allow scope for exploring design and technology possibilities while heightening brand awareness. Starting with the Reventón and including the Sesto Elemento, Aventador J and Veneno, every car has proved its instant appeal, achieved iconic status, and increased in value.
 
Ouch... not my taste at all. Those Lambo special editions are really... "special" from a design point of view. Side air intakes look like the Chiron. But at this price range, the Chiron is way better and a complete package than this, even if it will be more "common". And don't tell me it will handle better, you don't buy such special editions because they drive well !
 
i'm glad it looked better than the render

i must say this seems to be more than just a remodeled aventador

first of the aventador had a electromechanical wing (3 stage i believe), for this car the had attach the hydraulic system in this car wthout sacrefising too much space, weight and center of gravity

second off, there seem to have got a hell of a lot of hours just shaping this cars aero as every single panel seem to push the air in a strategic way

third off, rear wheel steering
 
second off, there seem to have got a hell of a lot of hours just shaping this cars aero as every single panel seem to push the air in a strategic way
Will be nice for Lamborghini to release some info on downforce and drag.
 

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Automobili Lamborghini S.p.A. is an Italian manufacturer of luxury sports cars and SUVs based in Sant'Agata Bolognese. It was founded in 1963 by Ferruccio Lamborghini (1916-1993) to compete with Ferrari. The company is owned by the Volkswagen Group through its subsidiary Audi.
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