June Update II :Three to Eight , 500cc: A New Base for Engine Design.

[SCOTT27]

Three to Eight
500cc : A New Base in Engine Design

It is no secret that in terms of downsizing it's CO 2 levels BMW are moving to replace it's current range of engines with new Three,Four, Six and Eight Cylinders.


The new three cylinder will be part of a range of engines utilising a new common 500cc per cylinder base design which also uses Direct-Injection and Turbo charging. This engine will feature in many BMW models but will not be perceived as a Base engine or entry model.

The new 1er and 3er will receive it first but other BMW/MINI models will also inherit this engine.
Forget about the terms associated with Three-Cylinders such as weak or underpowered. This is a BMW engine and for a three cylinder it will offer excellent refinement with a sporting edge plus delivers an excellent CO2 output.
A lighter engine will also contribute to a weight reduction in the car also. The upcoming four cylinder Turbocharged engines in three range variants will also follow this procedure , The first TurboCharged four will be introduced in the new BMW 1er in 2011, and then follow into the BMW X3 which then follows the debut of the all new BMW 3er Sedan in late 2011.
The New range of Turbo charged engines will bring many new innovations for the first time in a new product launch and the 1er is that model.

The idea of using 500cc pe cylinder in future BMW engines which will rise from the 1.5 right up to a V8 will save resources in engine development costs and engine production.

 

[Levi68]

Very very interesting !

I3: 1.500cc
I4: 2.000cc
I6: 3.000cc
As you say also 8, so this means the 4.400cc V8 will change and become
V8: 4.000cc
But, in this case you would have to say 12, as: 500cc x 12 = 6.000cc V12. But you do not say it. So does it mean
this:
V12: 5.400cc (450cc x 12 = 5.400cc V12)
or this:
V12: 4.800cc (400cc x 12 = 4.800cc V12)
?

But if to follow the theory of 4.000 cc V8, it is possible to see a 5.000cc V10 in the future BMW Z Spyder Stradale for example ?

 

[Zwiep]

Currently a three-cylinder can not convince me.
Think about the Volkswagen three cylinder, that thing makes a terrible noise and the performances are worthless.
Maybe BMW is proving the opposite but I am very skeptical about it.

 

[aleks_16]

SCOTT and whats with the CS Concept and so on................look at the June preview

 

[Levi68]

SCOTT and whats with the CS Concept and so on................look at the June preview

Which CS Concept? The 6 GranCoupé will be produced as it was presented. It will yet be shown in Paris in concept form as the 5 GranTourismo, with interior, which is the one of 6 Coupé and Convertible.

 

[aleks_16]

Which CS Concept? The 6 GranCoupé will be produced as it was presented. It will yet be shown in Paris in concept form as the 5 GranTourismo, with interior, which is the one of 6 Coupé and Convertible.

Yoz remember the 2007 concept car cs presented in shanghai
SCOTT wanted to ask my question, I had ask him if the CS will be produced

 

[SCOTT27]

The idea of a Concept CS in it's larger form above the 7er is on hiatus for now as BMW are concentrating on producing the Gran Coupe and readying the car for production in just under two years.

Focus is on the Gran Coupe but word from the top says "We Will Build this Car!" when the discussion turns to the Z Spyder Stradale.
Both Gran Coupe and Spyder Stradale is extremely cost effective because they come from the same matrix that spawns the 5er , 6er and 7er allbeit shortened when it comes to the "Z" which can be applied for more distinctive premium models in the future.
For the present the focus is on Gran Coupe and Spyder Stradale and eventually the Vision Efficient Dynamics for the premium segment.

That is an update for another day...

 

[braaf]

Currently a three-cylinder can not convince me.
Think about the Volkswagen three cylinder, that thing makes a terrible noise and the performances are worthless.
Maybe BMW is proving the opposite but I am very skeptical about it.

I think the VW unit is a run of the mill for a entry level vehicle, where as this BMW unit would have received the neccesary tech to make it smooth and powerful cos it's in another league.

 

[aleks_16]

The idea of a Concept CS in it's larger form above the 7er is on hiatus for now as BMW are concentrating on producing the Gran Coupe and readying the car for production in just under two years.

Focus is on the Gran Coupe but word from the top says "We Will Build this Car!" when the discussion turns to the Z Spyder Stradale.
Both Gran Coupe and Spyder Stradale is extremely cost effective because they come from the same matrix that spawns the 5er , 6er and 7er allbeit shortened when it comes to the "Z" which can be applied for more distinctive premium models in the future.
For the present the focus is on Gran Coupe and Spyder Stradale and eventually the Vision Efficient Dynamics for the premium segment.

That is an update for another day...

Sad but ok.......My questions are, wil the "z" be ina Moddel familiy or just one single model ( raodtser, Couepe........or new ides maybe a targa), I have seen yesterday a Z4m with bbs rims and Eisenman exhaust and THIS IS A absolutly goergeus car . So if they produce it with a Softop and place this car against Audi R8 Softop and the Merc SLS Softop and a Coupe like the Z4m against there Coupe Versions................
Second question will there be a M version or different versions like Audi did with the R8 ?????
Third question what is happening with the Z2 ?????

last question: will the production GC look exact like the Concept???? because if it looks like the Concept it will be just the 6er Coupe with two added doors.........

 

[Makini]

I think the VW unit is a run of the mill for a entry level vehicle, where as this BMW unit would have received the neccesary tech to make it smooth and powerful cos it's in another league.

I dunno about that. Three cylinders are simply awful. Especially the off-beat thrum that someone once described as characterful...

Why design an engine that will require additional R&D [read expensive] just to make it smooth & more powerful? These are masks that attempt to hide what a bad idea three cylinder jobbies simply are. Just ask the poor blokes that have to ride the triumph 675 in WSB supersport class.

Ok, maybe because I've had personal experience with VAGs 1.2 liter triple, I've come to dislike anything three cylindered, three wheeled, three door...

 

[Mr Robert]

Three could work. The 3 cil engines from VAG are probably nothing to judge by.
I think the refinement will be the hardest challenge...

 

[JadeVetti]

Maybe I should take a peek at this 6er to see if it'll resemble the CS.

Still won't sway me, but it'll be something to look at until the real thing comes along.


I tell you, if and when BMW announces that they are going to build the CS, I'll be right on queue to preorder.

 

[klier]

Three could work. The 3 cil engines from VAG are probably nothing to judge by.

The 3 cil engine from Toyota is actually
I have an Aygo in the family and the engine is very rev happy and responsive and honestly quite like a BMW engine in character (I'm not kidding). And this engine has won Engine of the Year awards, too!!

Bottom line: BMW's 3 cil engines will be great.

 

[aleks_16]

Sad but ok.......My questions are, wil the "z" be ina Moddel familiy or just one single model ( raodtser, Couepe........or new ides maybe a targa), I have seen yesterday a Z4m with bbs rims and Eisenman exhaust and THIS IS A absolutly goergeus car . So if they produce it with a Softop and place this car against Audi R8 Softop and the Merc SLS Softop and a Coupe like the Z4m against there Coupe Versions................
Second question will there be a M version or different versions like Audi did with the R8 ?????
Third question what is happening with the Z2 ?????

last question: will the production GC look exact like the Concept???? because if it looks like the Concept it will be just the 6er Coupe with two added doors.........

SCOTT It would be cool if you just answer a few questions............

 

[SCOTT27]

Do not worry. BMW are putting a lot of effort and testing into these new engines, so it will not be a half-hearted effort. The thing to remember is that these things happen in stages so as time goes on the engine will become an impressive new addition to BMW.
Some subjects of the media will get a behind the scenes first drive towards the end of the year.
I have tried the (far from finished) diesel in a prototype 1er and that is very impressive, it sounds exactly like a four cylinder diesel but the figures show a significant reduction in fuel consumption compared to a four cylinder.

 

[Mr Robert]

...and in that segment, refinement of an I4 with improved performance and economy will mean a sure sales success.

 

[Human]

The fact remains that BMW AG are the best example of any car company where engine design, technical expertise and know how of building and producing petrol and diesel engines are concerned. Fact also remains that BMW AG builds and produces the worlds most awarded engines.

Thus, rest assured that the 3cyl engines will be award winners
1+2+=3+