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Is there a M1 convertible (E88) version in the works?
If so how far behind the coupe will it be?
Will the coupe have a manual transmission option?
If yes will it launch at same time as M-DCT? Or will they be a delay?
Rough UK price? In between 135i and M3?

Cheers,

Mark.
 
@ Ad evo
Techinical question for the M1

It s proberly a turbo engine. So how will they solve the throttle response which is so famous and popular under the highrev ///M engines.

Why did they not choose a 3.0 highrev motorsport engine instead of turbo. Money?
Please don t say Co2 because if thats so important they should not bring a x5M with 325co2 in the first place.

Although the car utilises Twin Turbo technology. The M division engineers are working full hilt to establish something special with this car.
efficiency is very much the foreword now. The X5M etc were built to satisfy specific cutomers in key growth markets for such premium concepts and the cars have both been successful in this area

@ Aleks_16
SCOTT whats about the Z2 twins and a Z10 ???

As announced at the recent Geneva MotorShow BMW announced that compact will be premium in reference to the 1er which showcases the needs that have been identified that customers will pay for smaller premium concepts. The 1er Platform will generate many new models.
The Z2 and Z2 Roadster have been greenlit and due by 2013 and other concepts identified are being identified as we speak. The expansion of the compact platform is to offer compact models with a range of sustainable powertrains. If such a Car exists (Z10) then it would follow The strategy as seen by the Vision Efficient Dynamics. Which means either a three cylinder backed up by an electric motor to complete it's output. As a high end Car like a Coupe or Roadster? The general consensus is pushing forward with the Performance orientated luxury of the CS cars instead of getting our fingers burned for the third time because of the poor respeonse to the 8er and Z8.

@Nikos120i

Scott...concerning the 1er and future 3er there has been some speculation regarding the engine lineup (from AutoBild) that would include a 1.3turbo gasoline engine and a 1.6T engine.

Is it true?

What would the engine lineup would be like for 3er and 1er?

thanks!

The idea was in our current low end range of four cylinders the engines were highly efficient ,made their targets and conformed to future legislation. The larger engines were dealt with first allowing the resources to develop even more efficient engines for the next generation 1er and 3er. All BMW petrol engines will go Turbo and be offered in three,four,six, eight and twelve cylinders. The 1er begins this new era as the car is highly important for BMW. The new 1er will feature many innovations for a new BMW.

@Adam3k

Is the F30 really being pushed up because of the recent slow sales and growing competition? Will the F30 be a mini 5 series, as it looks to be on the mules?

It's not being pushed up because the car will debut in November 2011 prior to a Geneva 2012 launch. Sales have not dropped everywhere and there are still markets with significant customer base.
It wont be a 5er just as the 7er is not an enlarged 5er. It will use the latest design language but each car as evident from todays 5er and 7er get their own individual appearance.

@ Potential
Will there be a 1 Series sedan this generation, to make up for the ever increasing size of the 3 Series sedan?

There is no demand for a 1er in other market except for North America.
The problem with a 1er sedan is that in europe especially Germany BMW rely on fleet contracts for business and local government such as Polizei fleets for the 3er Sedan and Touring especially car like the 320d.
If the 3er is replaced by a 1er sedan the car might not be suitable for such demands that fleets will refer to our competitors for their supply,highly significant when the German Government have ordered several hundred 320d "efficient dynamics" for local fleets.
European customers are happy with the Sporthatch and find it is more than adequate for their requirements.

@ Hector
scott, can you give us a release date for the next-gen 1er in the u.s. which i presume will be a hatch(unless the u.s will again only get the coupe in 2013)? also can you give us an idea of the engine line-up, specifically what will be the top non-M model(i.e. 135 replacement)? thanks!

It is not known whether the 1er Sporthatch will be sold in the US, because Premium hatches have virtually no market. Every manufacturer for the US is downsizing because petrol is too high. If Gas prices returned to normal everyone will return to their original choice. And smaller compact models will be to specific market. US will get the Coupe and Cabrio , The next 1er will receive a performance model underneath the M this is currently under discussion to use Tii for these cars which will include the Coupe and Cabrio and to challenge popular competitors in Europe the sporthatch will get a performance model.

OK that is all questions answered for now. If you intend to post a question please just post the question without additional feedback it will make it easier to answer the question than contributing to the debate.
 
LOL....what happened??? Did we get a new Scott? One that actually answers questions? :D j/k
 
And one with much better written English. It was a PITA to read the older posts. :eusa_clap

ps. I understand that this is an international forum and have no expectations of how well the participants know English. But the 'CM' effort was a (semi) official marketing effort in an English forum, it looked pretty unprofessional to do that in broken English.
 
joy is ...

Scott > 2 questions please :
when will we have more info on the new 5 doors 1 ? did BMW will launch a 1 Serie Shooting brake or a CS 1 also (like VW with the golf)
thanks for your help
 
@ Ad evo


Although the car utilises Twin Turbo technology. The M division engineers are working full hilt to establish something special with this car.

Ok thx twin turbo confirmd it s not the piece of kit where i would pay premium for. I had an itch for a GT3 and now i know the M1 get twins i am off to zuffenhausen sorry. It s a big loss for me because i am a very big bmw fan. I still buy bmw for daily s though. But sheer fun and track cars i always wanted highrev. I was still giving the M1 a chance. But now i know it s turbo s i am deffiantly off.
 
To talk about the E30 with the M1 doesnt' make much sense imo. the 1series is really, quite huge, it is taller AND wider than a E46, and the coupe is just a bit shorter.. (off topic but the E46 coupe does look way sleeker and smoother than the E88 coupe)..

OK let's talk E30, i don't mind if it gets a hauling ass, light 4pot turbo.. a lighter front would probably enable to kill M3s in corners.

And i don't know, we're talking about M1 not on sale until early 2011, and a new 1series hatch coming in the same year right? Firstly, i think arguably, most agree that the "1series is not the perfect looker", the coupe perhaps better but i think it is safe to expect that the next 1series (hatch) will get the latest design features that smoothens everything out, probably a vastly improved interior, something like the X1 perhaps ... but at the same time the "old" M1 actually just started its life...
 
... but at the same time the "old" M1 actually just started its life...
... but exactly this is a bold move of BMW.
First: Do not expect too much volume of the E82 M1 - I think also BMW does not plan with high volumes here... so the enthusiasts should absorb it.
Moreover it is a nice end-of-life push for the normal E82 that will be produced till 2013 anyway.
As hinted by SCOTT - the engine development may be kind of a prerequisite for the F3x M3 - therefore the money seems not to be wasted.
Would you prefer that BMW waits for the E82 successor with an M1 -> that would lead to a SOP in 2014 or beyond... nothing what I would appreciate.

Bottom line: If the discussed 10k € premium comes true, I consider it a acceptable price point. Have you ever calculated what a base 135i with PerformanceParts costs? You are in the same range here with - for sure - a lot less driving performance and fun.
So -> Go on BMW and please don't hesitate to make this thingy faster on track then the M3 -> it's sufficient when the M3 holds the power crown in terms of pure engine power.... ;)
 
Scott thanks for your answer, although I did not get my question answered if there will be specifically a 1.6T engine at BMW.

Something else:

Will there be a BMW-badged BMW with FWD (i.e. 0-Series)?
 
Hello Scott,,,,:wave4:,
Since you are in the answering mood, I would very much like to ask you when will the tri-turbo diesel engine be made availlable to the new 6er? Possibly at introduction of the new 6er, or later on?? How much later on?? Thank you in advance!! Keep up the good work!! :usa7uh:
 
Any renewed consideration to renaming the 3-series coupe a 4-series, to better compete with A5 and E-class coupes (and make room for a 4dr coupe 4-series, which I would love)?

Is your new avatar pic the real X3 fender, or just a mock up?

Thanks.
 
Any renewed consideration to renaming the 3-series coupe a 4-series, to better compete with A5 and E-class coupes (and make room for a 4dr coupe 4-series, which I would love)?

Is your new avatar pic the real X3 fender, or just a mock up?

Thanks.

I doubt if that will happen.
 
I hope not. The 3er coupe is iconic. No need put that aside. ;)

You are right about that. Yet a 3/4 lineup that mimics the 5/6 lineup could be positioned slightly more upscale, and therefore be more profitable. And, as I said, make room for both a 3GT and a 4CS.
 
You are right about that. Yet a 3/4 lineup that mimics the 5/6 lineup could be positioned slightly more upscale, and therefore be more profitable. And, as I said, make room for both a 3GT and a 4CS.

As a guy who wants to buy the damn car. I'd rather they keep it a 3er and leave it at the price it is (or cheaper) then introduce a 4er and raise up the price. Unless you're getting paid by BMW or one of it's shareholders, why do you WANT to pay more?
:t-cheers:
 
There's a fella over at carspyshots.net who apparently has good contacts to reliable automobile industry sources. According to one of his recent entries, BMW is indeed in the progress of developing an automobile to be positioned above the upcoming 6 series Gran Coupe. An evolution of the CS Concept theme being a large 4 door coupe to be placed above the 7 series in BMWs' model hierarchy.

What is the progress on this, Scott ? Care to share ?
 

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