International Engine of the year 2011.

[100hpero]

BEST NEW ENGINE OF 2011
-FIAT 875CC TWINAIR


GREEN ENGINE OF THE YEAR 2011
-FIAT 875CC TWINAIR


BEST PERFORMANCE ENGINE
-FERRARI 4.5-LITRE V8


SUB 1-LITRE
-FIAT 875CC TWINAIR


1-LITRE TO 1.4-LITRE
-VOLKSWAGEN 1.4-LITRE TSI TWINCHARGER


1.4-LITRE TO 1.8-LITRE
-BMW 1.6-LITRE TURBO


1.8-LITRE TO 2-LITRE
-BMW 2-LITRE TWIN-TURBO DIESEL


2-LITRE TO 2.5-LITRE
-AUDI 2.5-LITRE TURBO


2.5-LITRE TO 3-LITRE
-BMW 3-LITRE DI TWIN-TURBO


3-LITRE TO 4-LITRE
-BMW 4-LITRE V8


ABOVE 4-LITRE
-FERRARI 4.5-LITRE V8


INTERNATIONAL ENGINE OF THE YEAR 2011
-FIAT 875CC TWINAIR

International Engine of the Year Awards 2011

 

[Zafiro]

4 BMW awards. Good

 

[ateekt]

Wait a minute! Where's the phenomenal motor of Lf-A? Nevertheless, (as usual) great job from Bmw!

 

[Wolfgang]

Also good to see Fiat's two cylinder win.

The two cylinder was invented in 1889 by Gottfried Daimler and Wilhelm Maybach.

Deutsches Museum: Fahrzeugmotor "V-Motor", 1889

 

[cawimmer430]

"Why are only unreliable and overpriced European engines on the list!? And where's the Honda SVC9032893932 VTEC Type R engine? It's revs to 12,000 RPM in a Civic! Take that for a performance engine!"

^Standard stupid response on the Internet.^ I guarantee it.

 

[Deleted member 25]

Fiat's great engine design is finally recognised.

 

[dyna]

Wait a minute! Where's the phenomenal motor of Lf-A? Nevertheless, (as usual) great job from Bmw!

either the lfa engine or the McLaren MP4-12C's M838T engine:

For rememberance:
Type M838T
Engine capacity 3.798 cc
Type 90° V8
Technology Twin-turbo, Dry sump
Valvetrain 32-valve, DOHC, VVT
Bore x Stroke 93mm x 69.9mm
Compression ratio 8.7:1
Max rpm 8,500
Power 600PS @ 7,000rpm
Torque 600Nm @ 3,000-7,000rpm

 

[cawimmer430]

You guys need to read the comments all over the Internet about this. It's hilarious!

There's a bunch of idiots all over the net claiming that Fiat engines are unreliable and crap whereas Ferrari engines are super duper and cool. Hey idiots, FIAT OWNS FERRARI. And these dumbasses go around insulting people that "they know nothing about cars".

Absolutely hilarious. Great entertainment.

 

[chonkoa]

Where is the LF-A V-10, sorry guys this stinks without the LF-A engine winning anything.
It is by far the best engine IMO.

 

[PanterroR]

It is by far the best performance engine IMO.

Fixed it for you and i agree.

 

[Sunny]

1LR-GUE in the LFA is indeed very special, but the Ferrai V8 in 458 doesn't give anything away to it. It might rev to "only" 9k (vs 9.5k). But bespite being 300cc smaller, it makes more power (570ps vs 560ps) but more importantly makes way more torque - 400 lb-ft@6000 vs 354 lb-ft@6800. That is a heady specifc torque figure of 88.9 lbft/l (vs 73.75 for 1LR-GUE). I still remember hearing in the not so distant past how even F1 engines were supposedly limited to about 80lbft/l and how that was "theoretical" limit for NA engines.

Having said that I do feel these awards seem very lop sided towards the Europeans.

 

[MikeJ]

Having said that I do feel these awards seem very lop sided towards the Europeans.

They have judges from all around the world, but quite a few are from Europe. You can find the list here: International Engine of the Year Awards 2011
The engines on the list do reflect current European trends that Japanese/American manufacturers have been slow to respond to.

 

[Mafalda]

Wait a minute! Where's the phenomenal motor of Lf-A? Nevertheless, (as usual) great job from Bmw!

...smashed by 458

power
458 126.7 ps/l
LF-A 116.7 ps/l

torque
458 120 Nm/l
LF-A 100 Nm/l
despite the LF-A is V10 (480cc/cyl), ad the 458 is V8 (562.5cc/cyl.)

 

[dyna]

1. Ferrari 4.5-litre V8 (Ferrari 458 Italia) 194

2. Porsche 3.8-litre (Porsche GT3, GT3 RS) 126

3. Mercedes-AMG 6.2-litre V8 (Mercedes-AMG C 63 AMG, SL 63 AMG, E 63 AMG, ML 63 AMG) 119

4. Nissan 3.8-litre twin turbo (Nissan GT-R) 97

5. McLaren 3.8-litre V8 (McLaren MP4-12C) 89

6. BMW 3-litre DI twin turbo (BMW 135i, 1 M Coupe, 335i, 535i, X3 35i, X5 35i, X6 35i, Z4, 640i, 740i) 87

lfa nowhere to be found mac @ 5

 

[330CIZHP]

1LR-GUE in the LFA is indeed very special, but the Ferrai V8 in 458 doesn't give anything away to it. It might rev to "only" 9k (vs 9.5k). But bespite being 300cc smaller, it makes more power (570ps vs 560ps) but more importantly makes way more torque - 400 lb-ft@6000 vs 354 lb-ft@6800. That is a heady specifc torque figure of 88.9 lbft/l (vs 73.75 for 1LR-GUE). I still remember hearing in the not so distant past how even F1 engines were supposedly limited to about 80lbft/l and how that was "theoretical" limit for NA engines.

Having said that I do feel these awards seem very lop sided towards the Europeans.

I have to jump in a bit. Nonetheless, Lexus LFA's V10 won recently for the "Evo UK best engine of the year 2010". Maybe, this is only for mass produced engines?

It is not the peak torque at one rpm point that counts (LFA's engine is based on a F1 2.5 Liter V10 engine design with very short-stroked specifically modelled for the 9500 - 9700 rpm rev limit and the cylinder size at 480 CC is actually smaller for the same reason, which trades the peak capacity for torque in favor for ability to rev higher and produce torque across higher rpms). It is the entire curve that matters.

If you examine the official torque curves side by side, LFA's torque between 6700 - 9500 rpm is actually consistently higher (Ofcourse, 458 Italia is rev limited to 9000 rpm). Low end is a similar story from 2000 - 3500 rpm.

The engine is undoubtedly nothing short of an engineering marvel and as pointed above, it was not even considered for the award is simply baffling.

Here is the reason why:

 

[Sunny]

^Do you have the torque curves? Would love to see them.

Anyway, I love them both, both have their strong points. These two along with the new 4L RS boxer 6 is probably the pinnacle of NA engines as the industry moves to turbos.

 

[Zafiro]

Best Performance Engine:
To qualify for inclusion in this category, an engine must have been housed in a passenger car that was on sale in more than one country as of May 2011, and have been designed specifically for a performanceorientated car, or be installed in a vehicle designed for sporting fun.

 

[330CIZHP]

^Do you have the torque curves? Would love to see them.

Anyway, I love them both, both have their strong points. These two along with the new 4L RS boxer 6 is probably the pinnacle of NA engines as the industry moves to turbos.

I dug them up for you. Here are the dynos and how their torque curves break down. While 458 is limited to 9000 rpm, LFA's torque at 9500 rpm is not specified here, but the torque curve is consistent all the way to 9500 rpm according to other unofficial dynos. The same engine also makes 570 PS in the Nurburgring LFA.

LFA:

rpm (x 1000) - Torque (NM)

2 - 400
3 - 400
4 - 450
5 - 450
6 - 480
7 - 480
8 - 460
9 - 420
9.5 - 400

458:

rpm (x 1000) - Torque (NM)

2 - 210
3 - 250
4 - 500
5 - 520
6 - 540
7 - 480
8 - 430
9 - 400



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[Mafalda]

I dug them up for you. Here are the dynos and how their torque curves break down. While 458 is limited to 9000 rpm, LFA's torque at 9500 rpm is not specified here, but the torque curve is consistent all the way to 9500 rpm according to other unofficial dynos. The same engine also makes 570 PS in the Nurburgring LFA.

LFA:

rpm (x 1000) - Torque (NM)

2 - 400
3 - 400
4 - 450
5 - 450
6 - 480
7 - 480
8 - 460
9 - 420
9.5 - 400

458:

rpm (x 1000) - Torque (NM)

2 - 210
3 - 250
4 - 500
5 - 520
6 - 540
7 - 480
8 - 430
9 - 400

sorry but, about 9,000 rpm, you're surely wrong!
458 has 570ps @ 9.000 rpm, it means 444 Nm
LF-A MUST have less torque @ 9,000
more torque ---> more tnìhan 570ps

 

[330CIZHP]

sorry but, about 9,000 rpm, you're surely wrong!
458 has 570ps @ 9.000 rpm, it means 444 Nm
LF-A MUST have less torque @ 9,000
more torque ---> more tnìhan 570ps

It is not me who is wrong. There is something wrong with one (or both) dyno charts then since I merely posted the dyno graphs and their respective data points.