Honda In America


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A very good article on Honda and their Acura luxury brand in the U.S. market. BMW is also mentioned. Some interesting tidbits:

H onda Motor Co.'s Asimo is no ordinary robot. With its latest upgrade, the 4-foot Asimo, who occasionally greets visitors in English and Japanese at Honda's Tokyo headquarters, can calculate how fast people are walking and keep pace with them.

The same ingenuity and engineering skill that produced Asimo have pushed Honda to the forefront in developing futuristic fuel-cell cars. As volatile gas prices are shifting U.S. consumers' interest to more fuel-efficient models, Honda is the only automaker with a fuel-cell car certified for U.S. retail buyers, and it has leased two hydrogen-powered FCX cars to customers to monitor their performance under real-life conditions.


Honda fast facts
North American headquarters: Torrance, Calif.
No. of plants in North America: 12, with 9 in the U.S., including 3 vehicle assembly plants, an engine factory and 2 transmission plants. A fourth U.S. vehicle assembly plant is expected to open in 2008.
No. of workers in North America: 27,000, including about 21,700 hourly workers and 5,300 salaried employees
No. of dealers in North America: 1,286, including 1,018 Honda stores and 268 Acura retailers
Top-selling models in U.S.: Accord sedan, Civic small car, CR-V small SUV, Odyssey minivan, Pilot SUV
2006 U.S. vehicle sales: 1.5 million
2006 U.S. vehicle production: 974,380


It seems natural to lump Toyota and Honda together. But while they share many similarities, there are striking differences. Toyota is a powerful, process-driven company whose production system has become the template for manufacturers the world over.

"Toyota is more aggressive than Honda is," said Jeffrey Scharf of Scharf Investments, a Santa Cruz, Calif.-based investment firm that holds Honda and Toyota shares.

"I think it's a management difference."

While some Toyota executives say they don't care if the automaker is ranked No. 1 or No. 2, the company does seem driven by growth. Last December, Toyota said it expected to sell 9.34 million vehicles in 2007 -- more than any automaker has ever sold in a year.


The company has always been run by engineers, like Fukui, who design all sorts of things with motors. In addition to cars, Honda's product range includes motorcycles, lawn mowers, robots and now jets.

Executives at other automakers say it's clear what the company stands for.

"In all fields, from grass-cutting to auxiliary power units, the core competence of Honda is engines," said Michael Ganal, board member and sales director of BMW AG.


Toyota's scale gives it another big advantage over Honda in the race to develop new technologies. It is turning out to be a very costly contest because automakers are pursuing several different avenues, ranging from ethanol-powered vehicles to clean diesels and various types of hybrids.

Over the years, Honda executives have repeatedly ruled out mergers, disappointing investors who fantasize about a BMW-Honda pairing.


Full Article:

http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070309/AUTO01/703090400/1148

M
 
How well does Acura do against Lexus and Infiniti? Acura doesn't have a V8, does it? What about Honda, do they have a V8?
 
Well neither of them does anything against Lexus when it comes to sales.

No Honda/Acura doesn't have a V8 and the Acura RL (Honda Legend) is dead last in the mid-size segment in sales. Many say because it doesn't have a V8but that is just part of its problem.

Acura outsells Infiniti, only because they have more models that are cheaper.

M
 
Not sure I'd like BMW and Honda to join up!

I suppose it would combine the Japanese build quality with german design!

Nice read, thanks for posting!
 
Just to give an idea of Acura RL (Honda Legend) sales in the U.S. For Feb 2007:

BMW 5-Series 3,482
MB E-Class 3,053
Infiniti M 1,961
Lexus GS 1,563
Cadillac STS 1,472
Audi A6 893
Volvo S80 580
Acura RL 395 -----> Dead Last!


M
 
Man, those sales look bad, wonder if acura will come to europe like infiniti is doing!
 
Whaa... BMW-Honda???? Anyway, this article was a good read. Between the two I must say that Honda has more products that cater to the enthusiast than Toyota, not to mention I think the pricing is slightly better. At the end of the day though, i just have more trust in Toyota to purchase a car from them.
 
Why do you "trust" Toyota more?

M

I've studied their production system and their corporate structure, so I feel as if I know the company better. I've also known countless Toyota owners who've had nothing but positive experiences w/ their cars. Seems like a car you can always count on.
 
Deutsch...while Toyota is a good company, all the products they make are just bland. I don't think I've ever been in love with any toyota in the US besides the Supra. But even then the supra hasn't been that high on my list of Japanese Favourites. Even though Toyota sells more cars than Honda, the press has always praised the Honda more. I rarely ever seen a Toyota car rank higher than it's Honda counterpart in magazine tests. Case in point the Honda accord...for many many years now it has been getting more awards than almost any car out there. The only reason Honda doesn't get as much press as Toyota is because they aren't as big as Toyota and don't have as many models. But technologically, no japanese company can touch honda. Honda in involved in bikes, boats, cars, jets, electronics, technology (asimo robot), various different types of racing (f1, motogp, etc).

Example: This is from honda.com

"The Accord has been named to Car and Driver's "10Best" list—again. This marks the 21st time in the last 25 years that the Accord has won this prestigious award—more than any other vehicle in the award's history. The full lineup of Accord vehicles was honored by Car and Driver for always being at the top of the charts in fit and finish, ergonomics, road manners, reliability, and resale value."
 
Deutsch...while Toyota is a good company, all the products they make are just bland. I don't think I've ever been in love with any toyota in the US besides the Supra. But even then the supra hasn't been that high on my list of Japanese Favourites. Even though Toyota sells more cars than Honda, the press has always praised the Honda more. I rarely ever seen a Toyota car rank higher than it's Honda counterpart in magazine tests. Case in point the Honda accord...for many many years now it has been getting more awards than almost any car out there. The only reason Honda doesn't get as much press as Toyota is because they aren't as big as Toyota and don't have as many models. But technologically, no japanese company can touch honda. Honda in involved in bikes, boats, cars, jets, electronics, technology (asimo robot), various different types of racing (f1, motogp, etc).



Example: This is from honda.com



"The Accord has been named to Car and Driver's "10Best" list—again. This marks the 21st time in the last 25 years that the Accord has won this prestigious award—more than any other vehicle in the award's history. The full lineup of Accord vehicles was honored by Car and Driver for always being at the top of the charts in fit and finish, ergonomics, road manners, reliability, and resale value."
I'm with NarutoRamen.

While I'm an admitted Honda fan, I've never been very excited by products from Toyota. Sure, they have similar reliability to Honda, but there seems to be a lack of passion.

Personally speaking, I have more fun driving Hondas. I like the the way their engines can rev seemingly forever; their handling; and, their gearboxes (the manual ones, anyway...I don't have much experience with each company's automatics) are much smoother, as well.
 
I'm with you guys.

I've always felt that Honda produced cars that felt comfortable in their own skin and had a sense of fun to them.

To me, cars like the Civic are authentic. They answer their own questions and aren't a response to concerns about cultural adaptability. They are Honda Japan through and through, just like Volkswagens are very German. Yes, they steal design riffs from every corner of of the earth, but the execution is always very Honda, stolen or not.

Toyotas, on the other hands, are excellent cars with perpetual identity problems. I'd write 3 paragraphs about this but I have to get back to work.

In short - Toyota has done a much better job of carving out an authentic identity for their trucks than they have with their cars. There's always a spark of brilliance, like the Celica, but that brilliance is never related to anything before, after or current in the Toyota range. They're always one hit wonders. The "brand feel" has never come together for them (although in Europe Toyota is doing much better with this).
 
I'm happy that someone other than me gives honda credit. I'm not a die hard honda fan but honda's typcially handle better and are safer than toyotas, whether they are trying to or not, but when honda wants to make something actually sporty, they do one hell of a job...example. Integra and Civic Type R, S2000 and of course NSX.
 
I'm with you guys.

I've always felt that Honda produced cars that felt comfortable in their own skin and had a sense of fun to them.

To me, cars like the Civic are authentic. They answer their own questions and aren't a response to concerns about cultural adaptability. They are Honda Japan through and through, just like Volkswagens are very German. Yes, they steal design riffs from every corner of of the earth, but the execution is always very Honda, stolen or not.

Toyotas, on the other hands, are excellent cars with perpetual identity problems. I'd write 3 paragraphs about this but I have to get back to work.

In short - Toyota has done a much better job of carving out an authentic identity for their trucks than they have with their cars. There's always a spark of brilliance, like the Celica, but that brilliance is never related to anything before, after or current in the Toyota range. They're always one hit wonders. The "brand feel" has never come together for them (although in Europe Toyota is doing much better with this).
Bingo.

This is why Honda hasn't put a V8 in any of their vehicles.
 
Yeah I agree with you both on Honda. When you really crunch the numbers for V8 sales in the U.S. mid-size luxury class it doesn't make sense for them to do a V8. Especially since they'll be primarily selling it in the U.S. only. I do think that Honda will allow Acura to switch to a RWD platform for the next TL and RL, and possibly a V8 or even a V10 (from the next NSX) will come along, but that is just a dream at this point. Could you imagine a RWD Acura/Honda RL with a V10 priced like the V8s from the Lexus/MB/BMW/Audi?

M
 
I'm happy that someone other than me gives honda credit. I'm not a die hard honda fan but honda's typcially handle better and are safer than toyotas, whether they are trying to or not, but when honda wants to make something actually sporty, they do one hell of a job...example. Integra and Civic Type R, S2000 and of course NSX.

I'm not really a Honda fan either, but being a 3-time Civic owner, I have a soft spot for the things they do right.

I admire that they're a company with a unique set of convictions, and they like playing to their own strengths. This is in contrast to Toyota, which often approches product development from a "Who do we want to tackle" point of view.
 
I'm not really a Honda fan either, but being a 3-time Civic owner, I have a soft spot for the things they do right.

I admire that they're a company with a unique set of convictions, and they like playing to their own strengths. This is in contrast to Toyota, which often approches product development from a "Who do we want to tackle" point of view.

Brilliant post, and I agree. This is what I used to love about Mercedes. They built what they thought a car should be not what marketers thought, but things have changed a great deal if not totally for them.

M
 
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Honda has been on serious decline for the past decade, their cars are not appealing to look at or to sit in, and there aren't any strong selling points for people to want one. The current Accord has a horrible interior design, and it isn't user friendly with poor ergonomics. Also the ride is brittle and the car body control is not great. The light and lifeless steering is worse than a steering wheel for games.
 

Honda

Honda Motor Co., Ltd. is a Japanese public multinational conglomerate manufacturer of automobiles, motorcycles, and battery-powered equipment, headquartered in Minato, Tokyo, Japan, and established in 1948 by Soichiro Honda. Acura is its luxury and performance division headquartered in Torrance, California, United States. The Acura brand was launched on March 27, 1986, with markets primarily in North America.
Official websites: Honda, Acura

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