Vs GT-R vs GT2 - The Truth

[DoctorD]

For those of you that have been following our exploits the feature story including corner-by-corner breakdown are now published.

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Also on DR TV are each car's individual lap and we'll be stringing this together into one of our video features together with the telemetry dashboard that we normally include.

We ran the test last week, the conditions were drying/damp and both cars were awesome but the GT2 was clearly the quicker car.

 

[Zafiro]

Finally a independent test and no factory drivers. Almost 7 seconds difference. And the track wasn't completly dry either.
Now we're just waiting for the next independent test: Sportauto.

 

[PanterroR]

For those of you that have been following our exploits the feature story including corner-by-corner breakdown are now published.

Magazines, road tests, motorsport events, driving stories | Features | DRIVERS REPUBLIC

Also on DR TV are each car's individual lap and we'll be stringing this together into one of our video features together with the telemetry dashboard that we normally include.

We ran the test last week, the conditions were drying/damp and both cars were awesome but the GT2 was clearly the quicker car.

Hehe! Thanks for making my day, Steve!

 

[Tarek]

IMO that test is unfair,The GT-r was never meant to go against the GT2 but the turbo.It'd have beaten the turbo easily.

Bring on the V-spec against the GT2 please

 

[Zafiro]

IMO that test is unfair,The GT-r was never meant to go against the GT2 but the turbo.It'd have beaten the turbo easily.

If it was meant to go ahead with the Turbo then why (according to Nissan) is the GTR quicker than the GT2 around N-ring?

 

[Tarek]

^Nissan didn't mention anything about the GT2,just announced a lap time of it's GT-R,it was the insecure Porsche who went nutts over it

The upcoming spec-V is just gonna be so brutal

 

[Zafiro]

^Nissan didn't mention anything about the GT2,

Maybe they didnt mention it but the laptime they did is faster the GT2 and this magazine wanted to see if the GTR is indeed quicker than the GT2. Obviosly not, when its done by and independent test and same driver.
Personally , I have never believed in factory times. And if the V-Spec doenst do the laptime close to 7 minutes then its going to be harder for me to trust the 7.29 min with a standard production ready GTR.

and where is Luw???

 

[Monster]

IMO that test is unfair,The GT-r was never meant to go against the GT2 but the turbo.It'd have beaten the turbo easily.

Bring on the V-spec against the GT2 please

Nissan was aiming for the production car lap record, which implies it was gunning for the GT2 as well. The GTR lost most of the time on the straights, but it was able to match the GT2 on most apex speed, and was faster than the GT2 on a few corners. The GT2 has more power, lighter weight, and with carbon ceramic brakes, and cut slicks, no doubt it will perform better on track.

I am a massive fan of the GTR, and despite this result, the GTR is one hell of a car. Now wait and see how Nissan will reply. And is it possible to have a video comparison between the run done by Nissan and the run done by DR ?

 

[VroomVroom]

Very good read from DR!

They are also very honest which made the review better to read

 

[Zafiro]

The GT2 has more power, lighter weight, and with carbon ceramic brakes, and cut slicks, no doubt it will perform better on track.

Note, it was done on a damp road and only 7 degrees celsius. The tires arent helping the GT2. Instead the tires arent as grippy as they would be on a dry track. DR said they good probably cut another 5 second with the GT2.
The laptimes aside the GT2 was more of a drivers car than the GTR as well. The GTR is simply not a GT2 but of course the GTR is still one special car.

 

[Tarek]

Nissan was aiming for the production car lap record, which implies it was gunning for the GT2 as well. The GTR lost most of the time on the straights, but it was able to match the GT2 on most apex speed, and was faster than the GT2 on a few corners. The GT2 has more power, lighter weight, and with carbon ceramic brakes, and cut slicks, no doubt it will perform better on track.

I am a massive fan of the GTR, and despite this result, the GTR is one hell of a car. Now wait and see how Nissan will reply. And is it possible to have a video comparison between the run done by Nissan and the run done by DR ?

strange that they wee aaiming for the production record with the "normal" GT-R,i'd use the spec-v for that.

The GT2 is faster in straight line so that must have helped making a faster lap while keeping with the GT-R in corners,The GT-R is still one mighty car

 

[Zafiro]

The GT2 is faster in straight line so that must have helped making a faster lap while keeping with the GT-R in corners,The GT-R is still one mighty car

GT2 was faster in some corners and the GTR in some. As said the GT2 would be quicker if it was a dry track. RWD is more sensitive to wet and moist than AWD cars are.
And regarding straightline, havent the GTR been tested for acceleration close to the GT2? I will remember so.

Anyway, the GT2 beat the GTR fair and square.

 

[Mr Robert]

The GT2 has more power...

I'd say that is a matter of question... Nissan is not to be trusted in any way and dyno tests have shown that the GTR packs a lot more heat than stated.

 

[Tarek]

^We've seen vids showing that the GT2 is significantly faster in straight line than the GT-R.

 

[Guibo]

Note, it was done on a damp road and only 7 degrees celsius. The tires arent helping the GT2. Instead the tires arent as grippy as they would be on a dry track. DR said they good probably cut another 5 second with the GT2.
The laptimes aside the GT2 was more of a drivers car than the GTR as well. The GTR is simply not a GT2 but of course the GTR is still one special car.

Aren't Cup+ tires an evolution designed to perform better in the wet than normal MPSC's? The GT-R's Bridgestones also need temperature to work well. To make things worse, it's a runflat tire. The Dunlops are actually faster in the wet than the Bridgestones. Check the Impreza forums, where the STi comes standard with non-runflat RE070's. They're terrible in the wet, even on a lighter AWD car.

Nissan really made extraordinary efforts to acheive that laptime with the GT-R. There's nothing to say that the GT2 wouldn't be faster with equal preparation and committment. From all the independent tests, we already know the GT-R is close to the GT2. Can't recall anyone saying the GT-R is unequivocally faster. What this test does show is that the weight penalty of the GT-R seems much more apparent in the wet, while the lighter GT2 isn't affected as much by the greasy film of the damp Nurburgring. The dry-weather traction of the GT-R is effectively neutralized. Yet in some corners, it is still faster than Porsche's current top car. With 3900 lbs to lug around, we would think this is next to impossible. What this test also shows is that Harris was correct in his original suspicion: Porsche's claimed time differential between the GT-R on Dunlops and the GT2 of 20 seconds (more like 25 seconds, accounting for the Bridgestones) doesn't make sense. The two are much closer than that.

 

[Guibo]

RWD is more sensitive to wet and moist than AWD cars are.
And regarding straightline, havent the GTR been tested for acceleration close to the GT2? I will remember so.

The GT2 in the Supertest was faster on the wet handling circuit than the 997 Turbo...
Nope, I haven't seen it. In R&T's comparo against the Z06 and Turbo, the GT-R trailed the field. In another head to head test by C&D, the GT-R was utterly demolished by the GT2 in the 0-150 sprint by some 8-9 seconds. That is huge. The GT-R turned the quarter mile in 12.6 seconds at 111 mph. To give you an idea of how slow that was, C&D's E90 M3 test showed 12.6 seconds at 113 mph, and it beat that GT-R's time to 150 mph by 1.7 seconds. Yet that same GT-R (on Bridgestones no less) outlapped the Z06, and was 1.6 seconds off the GT2's time. Clearly the GT-R's dynamics far exceed conventional expectation, even one that is so vastly underperforming. (So long as the track is dry.)

 

[Zafiro]

Guibo, points taken but DR said they could cut another 5 seconds on the GT2 if circumstances were better. No matter what I doubt the GTR is faster than the GT2 around N-ring. The GT2 is too much for the GTR on this track.

 

[Guibo]

Guibo, points taken but DR said they could cut another 5 seconds on the GT2 if circumstances were better. No matter what I doubt the GTR is faster than the GT2 around N-ring. The GT2 is too much for the GTR on this track.

And DR also said there's perhaps 15 seconds in it for the GT-R with the Dunlops and Suzuki driving. That's not even including the difference in conditions (Nissan's was dry and "perfect"; not my quote, that belongs to Suzuki himself). Factor in around 10 seconds for the difference in conditions and you are only 2 seconds off Nissan's claimed time. That's incredibly miniscule.
Wait, who said the GT-R was faster than the GT2 on the Nurburgring? Certainly not Nissan. It's the 'Ring-obsessed enthusiasts who have come to that conclusion, totally ignoring the conditions under which Nissan's testing was done. 5 seconds between the claimed times, done with different drivers under different conditions is nearly worthless without the story behind the times.

I mean, do you honestly think Porsche gave their best effort with the GT-R? Consider that they could only get a 7:59 out of the 599 GTB before you answer that question, not to mention the results of this test.

 

[monaroCountry]

The GT2 in the Supertest was faster on the wet handling circuit than the 997 Turbo...
Nope, I haven't seen it. In R&T's comparo against the Z06 and Turbo, the GT-R trailed the field. In another head to head test by C&D, the GT-R was utterly demolished by the GT2 in the 0-150 sprint by some 8-9 seconds. That is huge. The GT-R turned the quarter mile in 12.6 seconds at 111 mph. To give you an idea of how slow that was, C&D's E90 M3 test showed 12.6 seconds at 113 mph, and it beat that GT-R's time to 150 mph by 1.7 seconds. Yet that same GT-R (on Bridgestones no less) outlapped the Z06, and was 1.6 seconds off the GT2's time. Clearly the GT-R's dynamics far exceed conventional expectation, even one that is so vastly underperforming. (So long as the track is dry.)

GUIBO PLEASE READ THE WHOLE THING!!!

Dont make any excuses, they even pointed out that there is still plenty of improvement in the GT2 but cant see how they could go any faster in the GTR. According to DR the conditions most suited the GTR. They even point out that a change of tyres to the grippier set wouldnt get them anywhere near the 7:29 mark.

AGAIN GUIBO PLEASE READ THE WHOLE THING!!!

 

[Zafiro]

And DR also said there's perhaps 15 seconds in it for the GT-R with the Dunlops and Suzuki driving. That's not even including the difference in conditions (Nissan's was dry and "perfect"; not my quote, that belongs to Suzuki himself). Factor in around 10 seconds for the difference in conditions and you are only 2 seconds off Nissan's claimed time. That's incredibly miniscule.
Wait, who said the GT-R was faster than the GT2 on the Nurburgring? Certainly not Nissan. It's the 'Ring-obsessed enthusiasts who have come to that conclusion, totally ignoring the conditions under which Nissan's testing was done. 5 seconds between the claimed times, done with different drivers under different conditions is nearly worthless without the story behind the times.

I mean, do you honestly think Porsche gave their best effort with the GT-R? Consider that they could only get a 7:59 out of the 599 GTB before you answer that question, not to mention the results of this test.

Hold your horses Guibo. I think you are little bit to over worked I'm staying to this article not to tests done by Porsche or Nissan. What car companies does is their business. I personally dont pay much attention to factory times, I prefer independent tests so please dont hold it against me. I'm still waiting for the Sportauto result.

I hope DoctorD can give us some more info about this article. He is a good friend with the people behind Drivers Republic.