5 Series Geneva Preview: BMW Concept 5 Series GT

[klier]

^yes its a sportscar..
it will lap the ring in 7min flat with 5 on board and 8 bags..

all hail the new king GT5..

PS
Even if above was true..its still to ugly to buy..lol

Yeah, because it's based on the 5er it suddenly is a sportscar *rolls_eyes*
Still better looking than either the E or E-coupé

 

[EnI]

The comments in the post above just show your obvious ignorance & lack of insight.

I can't debate with someone who ignoring the facts & argument used in the debate. I really can't.

It's not the first time I have this issue with you. Sometime you just don't (want to) get it. I know it's easier to you to call everything you don't like a PR, BS, excuse etc. It's so much easier, isn't it.

Sorry, Marcus.

I'm sick & tired of all those attacks of yours. It's deja vu all over again.

 

[Merc1]

The comments in the post above just show your obvious ignorance & lack of insight.

I can't debate with someone who ignoring the facts & argument used in the debate. I really can't.

It's not the first time I have this issue with you. Sometime you just don't (want to) get it. I know it's easier to you to call everything you don't like a PR, BS, excuse etc. It's so much easier, isn't it.

Sorry, Marcus.

I'm sick & tired of this attacks of yours. It's deja vu all over again.

Likewise, you can't see anything that isn't all glowing about BMW. You'll go to the ends of the earth with a billion and one reasons as to why everything BMW does is so right so correct and cannot, won't fail. Talking about BMW with you is like listening to a skipping CD, same thing over and over.

I can't help it you can't come up with anything better than some lame cop out by labeling my questioning of your your "creative marketing" as being an "attack". I can't help it if your nonsense is so easily exposed or at least questioned.

Tell me what exactly I'm not getting? That BMW has created a niche bursting vehicle that isn't aimed at the U.S. market? That because it won't be a volume seller and has a different shape its is somehow "exotic". Tell me is the R-Class exotic?

You live in a BMW marketing world that is so far removed from reality some times that it is really sad. Lack of insight? I'm not wearing the same rose-colored, BMW-made glasses you are.

A vehicle is a success if it can make a profit, all else be damned. I must remember that one.

Lastly, ignorance? This from one who called all the people in the S-Class thread "infantile or retarded" for liking the LED treatment. Oh boy is that rich or what? Now you cry-foul and put out your, "I'm to sophisticated for this type of argument" stance. How timely.


M

 

[EnI]

You're definitely gonna understand this:

(talk to the hand)


PS: yes, drooling over LEDs is something my 5-year old nephew does. It's infantile. I guess when an adult does that it's a bit retarded.

 

[Deleted member 25]

Guys relax, let everyone see the car the way he wants it.

 

[Merc1]

PS: yes, drooling over LEDs is something my 5-year old nephew does. It's infantile. I guess when an adult does that it's a bit retarded.

Yep just like thinking a wagon/hatchback is "exotic". Either that or stuck on stupid marketing.


M

 

[Sunny]

Nice disclaimer for expected slow sales here.

Every one does this. Look at CLS, it sells less than the R class here, so I guess it is a failure too, but not according to MB, cause they had low sales expectations.

As for 5GT being original, no, there been others like it, Pontiac Vibe or something comes toi mind, but I don't think it a copy of R class. If I remember correct, BMW canceled there R class after MB's version "failed".

 

[EnI]

Guys relax, let everyone see the car the way he wants it.

It's hard to debate with someone who finds cars like SLR, SLS, AMG BlackSeries utterly cool, while finding 5er GT, X6, etc "completely pointless".

It's the same level of immaturity as seen in some automotive "journalists". Forever infantile. Drooling over some wet dreams objects, while all the other stuff is "pointless".

Or perhaps the other extreme: being grumpy like some old men bitching about anything new ... calling everything redundant & pointless. Like my great 96-year old grandpa. completely lost in this new times.

But yes ... calling something "pointless" or "without purpose" just because don't getting it or not needing it - that's extremely ignorant.

Every one does this. Look at CLS, it sells less than the R class here, so I guess it is a failure too, but not according to MB, cause they had low sales expectations.

As said: it's not all about expectations. It's a plan of annual production range ... And in the premium segment carmakers don't go over that - saying: look there is a huge demand right now, let's increase production for 100%" ... and then selling zero cars in 4th year of car's lifecycle.

Production is low to keep prices high, and car in demand (waiting lists etc). And all those niche cars like CLS, GT, X6 etc are there to generate some extra high profits, not sales. Profit driven, not sales driven.

And someone who claims only cars with high sales numbers (by some kind of his own merits, obviously) are a success, while low-volume cars are a failure per se, and low plans ("expectations") are just a PR, such person doesn't have a clue about car business at all. Sorry.

 

[Merc1]

Its called the art of "paying attention". I posted an article that said the X6 was pointless, but in reality it is one of my favorite vehicles. I've been on the record here many times stating that.

Now people aren't entitled to have an opinion in all-knowing BMW land. I get it now.

We're back to the same old same old as before.....if its a BMW and you don't understand it or see the point of it then you're ignorant.

Really a swell way of looking it.


Oh and I'm not debating "whit". I'm questioning all-ecompasing BMW marketing crap.


M

 

[Merc1]

Every one does this. Look at CLS, it sells less than the R class here, so I guess it is a failure too, but not according to MB, cause they had low sales expectations.

As for 5GT being original, no, there been others like it, Pontiac Vibe or something comes toi mind, but I don't think it a copy of R class. If I remember correct, BMW canceled there R class after MB's version "failed".

Wrong. The CLS sold well initially and actually exceeded MBUSA's sale expectations...the R-Class never sold well and has always sold under expectations.

No one here has said that 5GT is a copy of the R-Class. Clearly it isn't, what I'm saying is that it aims at the same imaginary niche. Old, affluent people who want such a vehicle that isn't a wagon/van/suv.


M

 

[PHYBENZ]

Wrong. The CLS sold well initially and actually exceeded MBUSA's sale expectations...the R-Class never sold well and has always sold under expectations.

M

Additionally MB even has said that they don't need and the point of the CLS was not to sell in huge numbers because the margins on the car are huge because it is based on the E class so they make more off one CLS sold than like 5 E's.

 

[Sunny]

Wrong. The CLS sold well initially and actually exceeded MBUSA's sale expectations...the R-Class never sold well and has always sold under expectations.

No one here has said that 5GT is a copy of the R-Class. Clearly it isn't, what I'm saying is that it aims at the same imaginary niche. Old, affluent people who want such a vehicle that isn't a wagon/van/suv.


M

The key word being "expectations". MB had low expectations for the CLS and it exceeded it and it is considered a success. I think BMW has the same with 5GT, but somehow that is marketing spin?

 

[Merc1]

The key word being "expectations". MB had low expectations for the CLS and it exceeded it and it is considered a success. I think BMW has the same with 5GT, but somehow that is marketing spin?

Yeah it is marketing spin, but I've never said that Mercedes isn't guilty of marketing spin. They do it too as we're witness one now with the E-Class "Coupe".

My problem is that you know who will never, ever admit that forecasting low and selling more is a marketing trick done for issuing nice press releases. And then....he'll come back and say that it is an exotic product even if doesn't meet the low sales forecast. We'll get "it was never intended to sell in numbers" or some speel like that.


M

 

[Sunny]

Yeah it is marketing spin, but I've never said that Mercedes isn't guilty of marketing spin. They do it too as we're witness one now with the E-Class "Coupe".

My problem is that you know who will never, ever admit that forecasting low and selling more is a marketing trick done for issuing nice press releases.


M

Frankly, I don't think having a realistic sales expectations is marketing spin. I am sure it is based on some marketing research and not something they just pull out of their ass to make a good press release - and that goes for both 5GT and CLS.

And if all this is something personal between you and 'you know who', carry on . Though I am sure you both have better use of your time.

 

[Merc1]

Frankly, I don't think having a realistic sales expectations is marketing spin. I am sure it is based on some marketing research and not something they just pull out of their ass to make a good press release - and that goes for both 5GT and CLS.

And if all this is something personal between you and 'you know who', carry on . Though I am sure you both have better use of your time.

I don't think there is anything wrong with a reasonable sale expectations either, but here we've got the excusing coming already...before the car goes on sale. What I'm saying is that we'll get a marketing spin when and if the 5GT doesn't meet the sales expectations....whether they're high or low. It won't, must not be, can't be called a failure no matter what by BMW CM.


M

 

[Sunny]

I don't think there is anything wrong with a reasonable sale expectations either, but here we've got the excusing coming already...before the car goes on sale. What I'm saying is that we'll get a marketing spin when and if the 5GT doesn't meet the sales expectations....whether they're high or low. It won't, must not be, can't be called a failure no matter what by BMW CM.


M

As much as BMW CM is guilty of painting it as a success, you are of painting it as a failure even before it has gone on sale. And ignoring BMW CM for a sec, I don't think BMW itself has any problems accepting a failure - 8er comes to mind. You can't blame them for not making a dud since then.

 

[EnI]

I don't think there is anything wrong with a reasonable sale expectations either, but here we've got the excusing coming already...before the car goes on sale. What I'm saying is that we'll get a marketing spin when and if the 5GT doesn't meet the sales expectations....whether they're high or low. It won't, must not be, can't be called a failure no matter what by BMW CM.


M

Amazing, just amazing. I just can' believe it. It's so hilarious.

Yes, everything BMW say is a spin, a PR BS, an excuse etc.

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Severe Paranoia Attack ... Alert! Call the doctors!

And there's a Santa, and WMD in Iraq as well. Good for you!

 

[Merc1]

As much as BMW CM is guilty of painting it as a success, you are of painting it as a failure even before it has gone on sale. And ignoring BMW CM for a sec, I don't think BMW itself has any problems accepting a failure - 8er comes to mind. You can't blame them for not making a dud since then.

No I'm not, I'm saying that if it fails. BMW itself isn't anywhere near the issue here.


M

 

[Merc1]

Amazing, just amazing. I just can' believe it. It's so hilarious.

Yes, everything BMW say is a spin, a PR BS, an excuse etc.

Exactly. Nothing but bs on blast. Or some goofy bunk about design and who is and isn't worthy of a BMW.


M

 

[LaArtist]

Lol eni is surprised that people get more thrilled by SL BS than a 5er GT..haha
Its like me getting surprised that ppl get a harder boner watching carmen electra than janet reno..haha