Gone off track From BMW M8 Coupe & Convertible thread

[Matski]

But they're not yours.

That doesn't matter, BMWBlog is using them for press purposes which BMW grant the right to do.

 

[SCOTT27]

That doesn't matter, BMWBlog is using them for press purposes which BMW grant the right to do.

You don't have to be press to have a press account. So you can utilise the downloads any way which you want. It's the same pictures used over and over press and the company. They are not mutually exclusive to one site or the other as they are universal.
My Grand children download some of the high resolution pictures from my account and post them on their wall.
But where I put my foot down is the MINI Countryman. That is forbidden.

 

[Matski]

You don't have to be press to have a press account. So you can utilise the downloads any way which you want. It's the same pictures used over and over press and the company. They are not mutually exclusive to one site or the other as they are universal.
My Grand children download some of the high resolution pictures from my account and post them on thei...

You cannot use the downloads anyway you want. The copyright belongs to BMW and they grant permission to use it for press purposes (press purposes as per local legal authority definition).

Rights of use.
The material made available here must be used for press purposes exclusively. The contents of this website may not be copied, distributed, altered or made accessible to third parties for commercial purposes.

 

[manuelf]

Can we end the discussion about those press photos? bmwblog is a cool site, if you want a collection of some latest news about BMW.
bmwblog decided to put its own brand on BMW press photos, to make its own brand even more visible. Something, which almost all commercial websites try to do one or the other way round.
Basically I don't care and therefore I don't blame them for doing it. It is business. On the other hand I also appreciate, if this is then simply admitted, instead of coming up with creative alternative stories, why it is important to tag/brand those BMW pics

 

[bmwblog]

Can we end the discussion about those press photos? bmwblog is a cool site, if you want a collection of some latest news about BMW.
bmwblog decided to put its own brand on BMW press photos, to make its own brand even more visible. Something, which almost all commercial websites try to do one or the other way round.
Basically I don't care and therefore...

I promised I won't comment on this but will a me an exception for this one. The reasons were exactly as described. Nothing different. We get a head start by signing the embargo and when it goes live, very few websites have them since they might not be on the pressclub yet. So we do care about being some of the first to post and once it goes on Instagram, for example, everyone grabs them and no credit. Also, many outlets don't wanna do the legwork to go find them, resize them or whatever, and they prefer to just download from us. Or others.

Signing that embargo comes with responsibilities and rules. Like, if they leak, we can't just go ahead and post. We need to hold the embargo. There are exceptions, of course, but that's usually the case for everyone.

This is a non-story so nothing more to say. The original poster pretty much called us all kind of names and "fake news", so will refrain from engaging this discussion. Our and my door is always open and if anyone wants to further chat, reach out in private.

I apologize to anyone who thought that we posted the photos here so soon after the unveil for traffic. Which not sure how was even possible since I uploaded the full photo set with NO LINKS.

Cheers!

 

[SCOTT27]

You cannot use the downloads anyway you want. The copyright belongs to BMW and they grant permission to use it for press purposes (press purposes as per local legal authority definition).

Yes that's the legal definition. And in this case they are used for Press purpose here as marketing intended. But then what about the ones that turn up in You Tube in an influencers video power pointing across the screen to the shrill tunes of dub-step. And then the endless renderings on these official photographs which will no doubt add the inevitable M8 Shooting Brake which we will probably see in the next week

 

[savage-It]

All this long discussion about BMW blog (that I appreciate a lot) doesn't change the opinion of many here and not only here.Just surf around to have a picture of the reactions..This car is sure brilliant but also a lost occasion for BMW.Too heavy..way too expencive (the cabrio for example will not be too far from the Portofino in terms of price) not a real 4 seats...and with the clear perception that after two years you will have lost too much of the capital invested...M5 all day long for me...Ok it will be very fast but even because we all know the real output of that engine..Too easy to dissimulate the weight with an injection of extra ponies.And last...the next CS version will cost as a 488 then?BMW are you crazy or simply too presumptuos?my opinion of course sorry

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

I can name you 2 examples: the F30 3 Series and the 991 Porsche 911. When both cars were released, the media was gushing with praise for both cars given their recent conversion to electric steering. I remember reading a review performed by Autocar where they gave the F30 3 Series 5-stars during its launch; praising it's steering. I remember the...

Not to belabor this any more, but I remember that, upon their debut, the F30 and the 991.1 were generally panned for the electro steering in the media rags. It was only until the 991.1 GT3 came out did they say that the steering was sorted out and should be what all other electronically-assisted steering should feel like. After the 991.1 GT3, it was included on the 991.1 GT3 RS and all other 991.2 gen 911's that were released.

The F30...now, here my memory is fuzzy of what came of it afterwards except that steps may have been taken but the F30 wasn't able to capture the magic felt in previous gens of 3er. It wasn't bad for day to day driving, but for more spirited driving, it wasn't good.

As for the whole brouhaha regarding the interplay between media and auto makers, have at it, neither side is innocent, but do it somewhere else and not in M8 thread. The only thing I'll say regarding BMWBlog...yeah, they are site dedicated to BMW, but they can be critical of their products. At the end of the day, if you can't read between the lines and make a decision solely based on what you read without trying out the car and then feel gipped afterwards, well, that's on the buyer.

 

[dalab]

It's not for adding fuel to the fire, but my only problem with the site is this Nico de Mattia who again now in reference to the M8 in his BMWblog editorial cites:

«"The BMW M8 takes on the Aston DBS simply because they’re both big, very powerful, very fast performance machines
Can the cheaper BMW compare with prestigious Aston in terms of styling?
In a word, no. The BMW M8 is a great looking car, don’t get me wrong. Its proportions are right, the styling is powerful and seductive and its racier accents really make it exciting to look at. However, the Aston Martin DBS Superleggera is just jaw-dropping."»

This same gentleman when compare the styling of the S class coupe against the m850i also said that the Mercedes was more beautiful,

I keep asking myself why someone who does not like BMW`s writes for a site called bmwblog?
I never read that he likes a BMW against any other brand car, even to say that a camouflaged Audi was more nicer design than its BMW counterpart.

The bad thing is that because of the name of the site, other serious publications about design collect quotes of this type.

The main error of the editor is that all the design comparisons are made by this same fella, totally partial to any other brand, or is it purposely to generate controversy?
Why do not you send it to write to ladablog?

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

It's not for adding fuel to the fire, but my only problem with the site is this Nico de Mattia who again now in reference to the M8 in his BMWblog editorial cites:

«"The BMW M8 takes on the Aston DBS simply because they’re both big, very powerful, very fast performance machines
Can the cheaper BMW compare with prestigious Aston in terms of styling?
...

I also think that there is some kind of provocation included. Here we don't speak for objectivity, but purposefully included negativity for some reason. Maybe they are trying to look not so biased towards BMW.

 

[Matski]

I keep asking myself why someone who does not like BMW`s writes for a site called bmwblog?

I consider myself an ardent BMW fan, and I don't think the 8-er looks that good personally. I think the 3-er is a bit of a mess, and I don't like the 5-er, but I wait patiently for each new generation to come, whilst still enjoying everything I do about the brand... and not unnecessarily praising it when I don't see the need. I'm not a fan of Nico's writing style, but if he doesn't like the look of some of the current models I'm not going to take issue with it.

 

[braaf]

That doesn't matter, BMWBlog is using them for press purposes which BMW grant the right to do.

I agree with you 100% and the photos are available to everyone to use regardless of who you are.

But here's the kicker. By putting their watermark on the photos they are claiming that they themselves have taken these photos and covered the costs of having these photos taken and that they are the only ones who have the right to these photos and that if you would like to use them you need to ask their permission or pay them to use it.

THEY ARE CLAIMING IT AS THEIR OWN.

I remember not so long ago a stink was made when a member posted their photos without crediting them as the source of the photos because it was their photos and after a bit of back and forth between forum members it was agreed that they were right.

Now they laying claim to something that is not theirs its all of a sudden it's okay. OH HELLS NAH.

What's good for the Goose is good for the Gander.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

but if he doesn't like the look of some of the current models I'm not going to take issue with it.

Here I can not agree with you. BMWBlog are proud that they share only proofed facts and they do not deal with speculations. So using such a tribune to express someone's personal oppinion should mean that he is either a trusted expert or has intetnal information that the normal readers do not have. This opinion is worth nothing more than the opinion of any of the million readers. Posting it, without a discussion, turns it into some kind of fact.

 

[SCOTT27]

No. It does not look like they are their own photographs. Everybody watermarks even though they are not officially owned but licenced for commercial use and Press purposes. So you do see other agencies watermarks on the content because it is their licence to do so.
Even though it is not their original photographs.

 

[klier]

I also think that there is some kind of provocation included. Here we don't speak for objectivity, but purposefully included negativity for some reason. Maybe they are trying to look not so biased towards BMW.

I always think this is it. They try to come over as neutral and not as a fanboy site.

Oh well.

 

[bmwblog]

It's not for adding fuel to the fire, but my only problem with the site is this Nico de Mattia who again now in reference to the M8 in his BMWblog editorial cites:

«"The BMW M8 takes on the Aston DBS simply because they’re both big, very powerful, very fast performance machines
Can the cheaper BMW compare with prestigious Aston in terms of styling?
...

"I keep asking myself why someone who does not like BMW`s writes for a site called bmwblog?"

It's called being objective, even though design is subjective. Many people agreed also on social media that the DBS might be the better looking one. There is no right or wrong here.

"I never read that he likes a BMW against any other brand car, even to say that a camouflaged Audi was more nicer design than its BMW counterpart."

We had that conversation before and I linked to many articles when the BMW was nicer looking then competitors.

Ladablog is in the works...standby.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

It's called being objective, even though design is subjective.

Being objective with a subjective opinion. Interesting.

 

[SKY]

In a time when the internet and social media are pupulated by either @ss kissers or haters, having a BMW fan site that some times critisizes whatever is that BMW is doing is perfectly fine.

Sad thing is people has these "high standards" regaring news and journalism in other, more serious, aspects of life, so there is no way some left/right people tollerate a progressive/conservative paper critisize their political leader.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

In a time when the internet and social media are pupulated by either @ss kissers or haters, having a BMW fan site that some times critisizes whatever is that BMW is doing is perfectly fine.

Sad thing is people has these "high standards" regaring news and journalism in other, more serious, aspects of life, so there is no way some left/right people tollerat...

The problem is not the criticism, the problem is that a subjective opinion is being called objective. Everybody has the right to have an opinion and to express it. And forums are a perfect place for expressing subjective opinions. But a site that is claiming that does not deal with speculations and are publicating only facts (just check all the polemics with Scott27) should expressively point when an opinion is subjective and in no way call it objective. They are not the authority to turn a subjective opinion into objective, it still remains subjective. I posted six months ago a sentence of an article in BMWBlog in which ""objectively" the M3/4 was called inferior in general to RS4/5 and C63 because it doesn't have an AWD. But the C63 doesn't have also, and calling an AUDI , which has 200 kg more on the front axle supperior is not an objectivity but pure nonsense.

 

[SKY]

The problem is not the criticism, the problem is that a subjective opinion is being called objective. Everybody has the right to have an opinion and to express it. And forums are a perfect place for expressing subjective opinions. But a site that is claiming that does not deal with speculations and are publicating only facts (just check all t...

Not familiar with that M3 article but a car can be objectively inferior to other. If the M3 is heavier, slower, less fun to drive and more expensive, then it is an inferior car.
Not saying that was the case. As I have said, not familiar with what BMWBlog said.

What I see when someone here critisizes that site is always a pissed BMW fanboy who is not reading what he wants to read. That's why I don't take it seriously.