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Now the first stability control in cars was in 1990 Mitsubishi Sigma. How does this system differ from the one MB made for their S-class to prevent understeer/oversteer?
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Yes, Bosch invented the Electronic Brake Distribution (EBD) system in 1995 at the time when in came to S-class. Maybe they just added this feature with the stability control. I found this info from here (in finnish sorry): http://www.ajovalo.net/Varusteet.htm
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Who invented ESP?
Anton Theodor van Zanten at Bosch, who worked on ESP already at Cornell (1973) and Armin Mueller at Daimler-Benz were the project leaders. Teams of about 40 engineers moved into a common building. The inventors received the Society of Automotive Engineer's Henry Ford award and more recently the "Professor Ferdinand Porsche Preis" from Porsche and the TU Wien. Wendelin Wiedeking commented: "With their invention, the price winners made a significant contribution to the general safety of road traffic." ESP world premiered in 1995 on the 12 cylinder Mercedes CL600 coupe S600 sedan as standard and was optional for $1200 to $1500 in other W140 S-Class models, the S420 and S500.
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Difference between a car with ESP and one without:
http://www.whnet.com/4x4/pix/S600_esp_lg.jpg
Notice how the car without ESP is oversteering.
Anton Theodor van Zanten at Bosch, who worked on ESP already at Cornell (1973) and Armin Mueller at Daimler-Benz were the project leaders. Teams of about 40 engineers moved into a common building. The inventors received the Society of Automotive Engineer's Henry Ford award and more recently the "Professor Ferdinand Porsche Preis" from Porsche and the TU Wien. Wendelin Wiedeking commented: "With their invention, the price winners made a significant contribution to the general safety of road traffic." ESP world premiered in 1995 on the 12 cylinder Mercedes CL600 coupe S600 sedan as standard and was optional for $1200 to $1500 in other W140 S-Class models, the S420 and S500.
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Difference between a car with ESP and one without:
http://www.whnet.com/4x4/pix/S600_esp_lg.jpg
Notice how the car without ESP is oversteering.
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interesting stuff there Yannis. The comparison between the two cars in the photo helped me much. I'm glad my car has ESP (actually Volvo "names" it DSTC), even though it never snows here, and i haven't taken the car to snow so far 
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ESP is a must in cars that have a respected amount of HP under their hood.
j/kESP is a must in cars that have a respected amount of HP under their hood.
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TycoonGTR said:Hmmm, yeah, the ESP is a must for safety reasons, but i like to turn that buttn OFF!
i would do the same thing if i had a RWD car with 272HP. But in my 180HP FWD you can't expect much with the DSTC off. Actually after 14 months of owning this car, i have never turned DSTC off.
I drove once a friend E36 318 coupe which doesn't have ESP and was really fun, in that curvy road even though the car lacked HP and nerves
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The Artist said:Well all car companys should thank MB and Bosch for the ESP system.. without that many cars with over 300hp wouldn get off the line in the wet..
A car with AWD like quattro has no problem in the snow even without ESP. Mercedes had to invent ESP cause RWD cars have a problem finding traction in icy/wet roads.
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yeah man i know.. but even for quattro cars the ESP helps bringing the performance up.. so all in all.. a gr8 inovation by the stuttgart giant
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No tycoon i meant off the line.. like it wouldnt get off the line without wheel spinn..
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No tycoon i meant off the line.. like it wouldnt get off the line without wheel spinn..
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TycoonGTR said:Lol! I'm lucky to have a father like that, i must not forget about that.
I don't know why, but the past months fathers have been very generous. My father gave me the S60, since he is going to buy an SUV.
So i have a new car since September, when i moved house.
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Yannis, has ESP got anything to do with traction? I thought it has more to do with the attitude of the car - if the car's motion sensors think that the car is not going in the direction that is indicated by a set of 'normal' parameters regarding the steering input and so forth, it will brake wheels and/or reduce power until grip is regained and the car is heading in the right direction.
Traction control does the same thing for travelling in a straight line - but activates where the wheel spin rate does not match the car's velocity.
The two may or may not be combined in one package or one acronym, but aren't necessarily the same thing. That said, I would almost venture to say that any car that has ESP has traction control, which seems to be a slightly simpler and much cheaper thing to put on a car.
Traction control does the same thing for travelling in a straight line - but activates where the wheel spin rate does not match the car's velocity.
The two may or may not be combined in one package or one acronym, but aren't necessarily the same thing. That said, I would almost venture to say that any car that has ESP has traction control, which seems to be a slightly simpler and much cheaper thing to put on a car.
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