F1 FIA chief Max Mosley embroiled in S&M sex scandal

[PanterroR]

Since FIA is the biggest Ferrari supporter, Ferrari are fully supporting Mosley in this. What a surprise!*NOT*

WORD!

 

[Monster]

Since FIA is the biggest Ferrari supporter, Ferrari are fully supporting Mosley in this. What a surprise!*NOT*

Well if the rumours of Jean Todt becoming Max's successor are true, then either way Ferrari will win, so they just support Max knowing it doesn't really matter.

 

[Monster]

Justice Joel Boyer has ruled that he cannot ban Internet access to the video of Max Mosley's London adventures with prostitutes, simply because the FIA is headquartered in Paris. Boyer ruled that this did not justify French jurisdiction, although he did decide that copies of the News of the World printed in France should be recalled and he will fine anyone who continues to sell the newspaper.

This is largely irrelevant as the News of the World has very limited penetration in the French market, and the newspaper in question is now weeks out of date.

"Sexual practices between consenting adults are among the most intimate aspects of private life with its element of shadow and mystery that no one should be forced to explain to a third party," the judge ruled.

Mosley thus has something to add to his dossier to suggest that he has been wronged by the News of the World, although this is not really of great significance because French privacy laws are so strict that nobody dares to write about the private life of anybody, unless those people want to be written about. A recent example of this related to journalist Laurence Ferrari, who in November last year, was named by Metro as having been involved in an affair with President Nicolas Sarkozy. The story in question was a rehash of a report that had appeared in the Daily Mail in England.

The Tribunal de Grande Instance at Nanterre ruled that such stories were not permissable. They awarded Ferrari $7,800 in damages (she had asked for $40,000), despite the fact that she did not deny the stories published.

Mosley is taking legal action against the News of the World's parent company for breach of privacy rather than libel. This is probably because the FIA President does not want to have all the details of his family background and personal life splashed on front pages across the world.

The Mosley argument is that a libel action will take much longer to come to court.

British privacy laws have been confused in recent years because of European legislation. Courts now have to balance the right to freedom of expression in Article 10 of the European Human Rights Convention with the right to respect for a person's private life in Article 8. The problem is that different judges draw the line in different places. As a result the law is based mainly on precedent and in this respect a ruling that was important came in 2001 when the fashion model Naomi Campbell sued the Daily Mail after she was photographed leaving a drug addiction clinic. The newspaper argued that Campbell had previously used the media to publicise that she did not take illegal drugs. The Law Lords eventually voted 3-2 in her favour: two of the judges agreeing that the use of photographs was acceptable as they proved that the story was true; the other three feeling that the photographs were too intrusive. This set a precedent about the use of photographs.

Trying to salvage something from the situation seems to be the motivation for Mosley and his allies (rather than just clinging on to power). A change in the privacy laws might give him some (small) solace, but this may also create problems as the mainstream British newspapers do not want more restrictions. It is also an delicate area with politicians because they do not want rulings that could possibly have implications with regard to security cameras and other surveillance equipment.

In the interim, much activity is going on amongst his supporters to try to make sure that Mosley survives the June 3 vote at the FIA General Assembly. This may be possible despite the widespread revulsion because of the nature of the federation.

Those who are crunching the numbers are now beginning to conclude that the question of Mosley's survival will almost certainly not be decided by the sporting clubs. Since the merger with the AIT, there have been four categories of FIA club: the first are those that deal with touring and motor sport; the second that deal solely with touring issues; the third that deal only with motorsport; and finally the associate members, who do not get a vote.

The clubs that deal with both touring and sport get two votes. These clubs tend to be in smaller countries such as Africa, Asia and South America - where the sport is not greatly developed. They are therefore more vulnerable to manipulation than are the bigger clubs, as the loss or gain of an event can have huge effects on a club. The international reputation and credibility of the federation may not be their primary source of concern.

Some argue that Mosley should be judged on his achievements rather than his unusual sexual tastes. He has achieved a great deal and while the value of these achievements has been undermined by the scandal, they do still exist. However, arguing that this is why he should stay is akin to saying that a discredited ruler should remain in power because he once made the trains run on time.

There is little doubt that if the FIA picks the right leader for the future, the current campaigns for road safety and environmental awareness will continue. It would be hard for them not to as both are central issues in the automotive world. Thus the argument that only Mosley can do this does not really stack up, indeed it works against him because of his lack of personal credibility and the damage that has been done to the reputation of the federation as a result.

The fact that there is a ballot is secret can work both ways, as delegates can basically say what they like to people and then vote the opposite if it suits their purpose. This means that it is impossible to judge in advance what will happen.

Whatever happens Mosley will be trying to do all he can to make sure that his anointed successor Jean Todt gets into office. This is really a separate issue to the vote because it raises the question of the style of the FIA. In motorsport circles one can detect a feeling that the time has come for a new broom within the FIA and perhaps even in F1 as well.

The fear in this case is that the next generation may not be as effective as the current leaders.

Come what may, that is a risk that will have to be faced one day no matter what happens on June 3.

F1 News > Justice, privacy, politics and the future

 

[Centurion]

Wow, so the gang bang took place in London!!! How stupid can someone be??

 

[Monster]

Wow, so the gang bang took place in London!!! How stupid can someone be??

Maybe Max really think he is above the law.

 

[Centurion]

Maybe Max really think he is above the law.

No, he's basically an exhibitionist and has a fetish for public sex. He want's to be a part of the new generation celebs who are cool because they have a sex tape out on youtube and torrent sites.

Absolutely no man of discretion or high intelligence, especially a Brit who don't even live in the UK, would fly all the way to London just to have sex with a couple a semi unattractive girls in broad daylight!! It's a publicity suicide, especially if you have even mentioned your real name to the brothel. He could easily have received the same service or even better in Monaco, considering how many rich old hags like him there are over there. A cautious man wouldn't even have used his real name, it's not like anyone not watching F1 would know who Max is or make note of his face on the streets. Why didn't he use an alias like John Jefferson???


I don't even feel sorry for the man any longer because if you look at it from a critical point he layed out the trap for himself.

 

[450SEL6.9]

Former F1 champ Alan Jones brings up a good point about Mosley. People should consider it when Jones says, "You've got to ask yourself: how come there was a camera across the road that saw him go into the establishment; and how coincidentally there was a camera inside recording it all?"

Just this last week there has been more talk of a setup. Max has Lord Stevens looking into in. If an F1-related setup is exposed, it will do as much damage as his indecent acts. I've said that all along. This will get unbelievably ugly if he turns up someone in F1 set this up!

 

[Centurion]

Come on, do someone actually believe that this is a Mosleygate conspiracy?? The cameras can be explained that he was dumb enough to mention to he was and made an appointment giving the News of the World tons of time to prepare. If I knew that I public figure was going to come to my brothel then I would have done the same thing. I don't think that there are bigger powers behind this scandal.

 

[Misha]

I do , 100% !!

 

[450SEL6.9]

^^

Are you somehow suggesting the brothel tipped off the tabloid, hence that's how the cameras can be explained? I don't think any source, credible or not, has reported that. Jones isn't saying he knows anything conclusively. He is just asking what's the deal with camera coincidences. Unless the brothel is proven to be involved, Jones has a point.

If the brothel did give out his appointment and allowed a client to be taped, that would be incredibly stupid on their part. It likely means they can be sued (for everything they own by Max). At the least it would look like a breach of the client services contract, regardless if it is written or implied. Also, they can probably be charged criminally.

 

[Sunny]

^^

If the brothel did give out his appointment and allowed a client to be taped, that would be incredibly stupid on their part. It likely means they can be sued (for everything they own by Max). At the least it would look like a breach of the client services contract, regardless if it is written or implied.

Yeah, I would love to see Max make that case in the court.

 

[450SEL6.9]

He won't have to do it himself or even through his lawyer. He can ask for a criminal charge to be brought against them, if the claims of a tip-off are true. I don't think the brothel was involved with the tabloids. We'll see what the investigators find.

It isn't illegal to hire hookers in the UK, but I suspect it is illegal for a brothel to give details of a private services contact to a tabloid and "allow" a camera to be set up.

 

[Centurion]

Max: The Good And The Bad Stuff​

With Max Mosley's failure to do "the decent thing" and resign, both Alain Prost and Jean Todt have called upon FIA delegates to judge Max on his record of achievements and look beyond his adulterous misdemeanours with five vice girls. We look at the bad and the good.

10 Things Max Could Have Done Better

1.In the middle of European Commission scrutiny about the FIA's anti-competitive behaviour, he sold F1's television rights to Bernie Ecclestone for 100 years. This was heralded by some as safeguarding the future of the FIA but - given the spiralling value of television rights - many saw it as selling the family jewellery.

2. Mosley's banning of energy recovery systems 10 years ago has literally put the sport back 10 years. Now the FIA are introducing them under the banner of making F1 more green, but the sport could have pioneered green technology instead of trailing along behind.

3. He has failed to modernise the way motorsport is governed. Last year we got the unedifying sight of Mosley going round quoting "sporting fairness" in the spygate saga yet the Ferrari team have a position on the World Motorsport Council. It is like Manchester United or Barcelona football clubs sitting in on UEFA committee meetings and voting about the way football is governed.

4. Mosley's alleged intervention at the disastrous 2005 USGP. When there was a doubt about the safety of the Michelin tyre the teams had agreed a compromise with Bernie Ecclestone to install a chicane but it is said that Mosley intervened at the last minute and threatened all kinds of sanctions if the race went ahead. Result: a lot of unhappy spectators and the sport damaged in an important market for a lot of the teams. And Max was supposed to be an advocate of driver safety...

5. Mosley's big thing for the future of F1 was saving money by having customer cars. This clearly wasn't thought through as the 12th team to fill the 23rd and 24th spaces on the grid (ProDrive) never arrived, the 21st and 22nd (Super Aguri) looks in doubt, and even Toro Rosso seem to be unsure whether they can become a constructor as their predecessor, Minardi, was.

6. One of Max's great assertions of the late 90s was that F1 should be viewed like an interesting game of chess - and that it is about tactics and strategy, not about overtaking. An idea not much loved by the people who'd paid a lot of money for the TV rights - chess not being that popular a TV sport.

7. Whereas other branches of motorsport enjoy competition between tyre manufacturers, F1 has lost the intrigue of a Michelin vs Bridgestone battle thanks to the FIA's ruling that it should have just one manufacturer.

8. One of Max's previous ideas to shake up the World Championship was to have drivers move from team to team at each grand prix. Lewis Hamilton would be at McLaren one race and Ferrari the next.

9. In an era where professional sport is governed by professional and independent referees, Max has failed to set up a system that is judged by people other than cheerful amateurs, supervised now by his own representative.

10. Bizarre rules about who was and who was not allowed to drive for teams in the World Rally Championship led to the curtailment of Colin Mcrae's rally career.

Five Good Things Max Has Done
1. The FIA's promotion of the Euro NCAP testing standards has been the single biggest achievement fo Max.

2. His intervention in the 'Italian authorities versus Frank Williams/Patrick Head/Adrian Newey' case brought the Senna enquiry to a final conclusion after it had rumbled on for years.

3. His continued advocacy for safety standards in the sport, in particular the HANS device that undoubtedly save Robert Kubica from more serious injury at last year's Canadian GP.

4. Money saving in F1 by insisting on two-race engines, four-race gearboxes, engine freezes, a common ECU etc.

5. The level of medical intervention at hand at a grand prix is very high - a cause championed by both Max and Bernie Ecclestone.

Planet F1.

 

[PanterroR]

Well, thanks for the good things under numbers 2, 3 & 5.

For everything else - FY and please step down!

 

[PanterroR]

Teams plan to avoid Mosley at Monaco GP

Setting up a 'scouting system' in place?



As well as honing special high-downforce bodywork packages, some teams are reportedly considering how to avoid Max Mosley when the embattled FIA president, in Monaco later this month, makes his first appearance since the sex scandal broke.

Britain's The Times newspaper - albeit in the same News International media stable as the now notorious News of the World tabloid - claims that team bosses do not want to be seen or photographed with Mosley, 68, at F1's marquee event on May 23-25.

"The same concerns are afflicting senior corporate executives representing companies sponsoring Formula One teams," the newspaper added.

The Times said at least one unnamed Team Principal is considering "an informal scouting system" to warn its prominent managers of Mosley's presence, while another team source said "almost all (...) teams (are) making preparations to avoid" the scandal-ridden chief in Monaco.

"Furtive conversations" on the issue of how to avoid Mosley took place on the verge of last weekend's Turkish Grand Prix, the same source added.

FIA Director of Communications - and clear Mosley ally - Richard Woods, however, confirmed in Istanbul that Mosley is determined to attend Monaco, where he has a home.

Source: F1 : Teams plan to avoid Mosley at Monaco GP - Mosley - F1-Live.com

 

[Imhotep Evil]

FIA Gearbox Cost Savings For Formula One Teams A Failure

A slight tweak to the new long-life gearbox rules is likely to be introduced soon.

This year, under the risk of five-position grid penalties, drivers may use only one complete gearbox for four grand prix weekends.



The rule, however, does not apply on Fridays, meaning that one-off gearboxes are fitted to the cars throughout the initial three hours of official practice.

However, the combination of the two scenarios - despite the FIA's desire to reduce costs - means that teams are actually bringing more gearboxes to races than ever before.

Not only are spare four-race gearboxes ready in the transporters in the event of a failure on Saturday, teams are also bringing to races spare Friday gearboxes -- as well as the sealed current four-race 'box per car.

At a bosses' meeting at Istanbul, the teams apparently agreed to a slight rule tweak, which could be introduced as early as Monaco, pending the consent of the World Motor Sport Council.

The new rule will mean that, in the event of a failure on Saturday, drivers - albeit still punished five grid places - will be allowed to simply get through the remainder of the weekend with a 'Friday-spec' one-off gearbox.

The next four-race phase will only then begin at the next event, thus removing the need for spare four-race gearboxes to be on site at grands prix.

 

[PanterroR]

Why did you post this in Moseley's thread?

 

[Imhotep Evil]

So this spec crap + 4 + 2 rules saved money how ?!
no. 4 is a failure

How about other stupid decisions:

11] banning active suspensions
12] banning slicks
13] banning V10 or at least not replacing them with some green but equally worthy
14] shifting the downforce generation balance form the underbody ground effect to upperbody winglet crap
15] putting the wings into the dirty air

 

[Imhotep Evil]

Why did you post this in Moseley's thread?

To showcase he failed to save money. Read my post above.

 

[PanterroR]

I thought this is only about his sex scandal, not about his rules saving money or not.

Whatever...