Vs Ferrari 458 Italia vs. McLaren MP4-12C


Ferrari 458 Italia or McLaren MP4-12C

  • Ferrari 458 Italia

    Votes: 40 53.3%
  • McLaren MP4-12C

    Votes: 35 46.7%

  • Total voters
    75

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This is where the second decade of the 21st century’s mid-engined, entry-tier, supercar battle is all at. We’re all thinking about it: so I reckon it’s time for a good ol’ Internal Combustion poll. These two cars are extremely similar and thus proper head-to-head rivals.
They’re both V8 mid-engined, rear-wheel driven, dual-clutch transmissioned, 1400-or-so kg machines. The McLaren uses turbocharging to boost its torque numbers whilst the Ferrari employs a 9000 rpm screamer coupled with a huge final drive ratio to multiply wheel torque. Consequently, I have deliberately kept this poll a head-to-head omitting cars like the Superleggera and R8 GT because they’re different (AWD) and old-school in comparison (NA V10s and AMT).

Ferrari 458 Italia


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Ok, so we all know of the 458 Italia’s propensity for lighting up its wheel arches, so let’s get that out of the way... For the whole of last year, I never saw a Ferrari 458 Italia in Jo’burg and then, on New Year’s day, saw two – at a crawl – in the space of 400m between Clifton and Bantry Bay. Damn, that car is just stupefyingly gorgeous. It’s got curves that you think you notice in the pics but just reach an altogether different level of sensuality in the metal. I’ve not sat in one either, but I’m certain that the cabin is a very special place to be with its artfully dash focused around the driver and the business of driving. As far as engines go, the DI NA V8 in the 458 is a new benchmark; 9000 rpm, 420 kW, 540 Nm – the latter figure being the highest-ever specific torque output for a naturally aspirated production car engine – 120 Nm per litre! Coupling this engine to the new seamlessly shifting, rapid DCT gearbox is the most sophisticated and tightly integrated engine, chassis and transmission management systems yet seen.

The only criticism levelled at the driving dynamics of the 458 Italia is that the experience comes across as “digital” and focused on ruthless efficiency rather than outright driver involvement.

Naturally Aspirated V8
425 kW (578 hp) @ 9000 rpm
540 Nm
7-speed Dual Clutch gearbox
Circa EUR 210,000.00 upwards

--oo0oo--

McLaren MP4-12C




The early assessments of the MP4-12C are almost unanimous: masterful feat of engineering, quickest, best handling, best riding, most efficient, most usable and yet, most clinical car of its kind. The MP4-12C is an engineering tour-de-force – what else would you expect from the mighty McLaren stable – and yet the car seems almost too good to the point that it suppresses key supercar ingredients like emotion, passion and extremeness. The MP4-12C is, at this point in time, an enigma: the initial reviews laud the car’s imperious ability and on the other hand, seasoned journos have come away bemused by the whole experience. One thing’s almost a certainty however: in terms of straight-line, as well as point-to-point pace, the McLaren looks to be the class leader.

It’s a shame though that, this time round, McLaren’s approach to styling for function before form – as it was for the F1 – has resulted in a car with generic looks for the genre. It’s pretty, by all means, but it’s not compelling to look at either.

Twin-turbo 3.8 litre V8
441 kW (592 hp) @ 7800 rpm
600 Nm
7-speed Dual Clutch gearbox
Circa EUR 200,000.00 upwards

--oo0oo--

So what’s it gonna be folks? The passion of Maranello or the precision of Woking?
 
DeDe, I voted McLaren but tomorrow I could vote Ferrari. For a pleb like me it's an impossible choice.
 
It was the talk of the McLaren's ride quality that swung me. I like a car that blends chassis composure with suppleness (I hate brittle-feeling suspension) - firmness is not a problem as long as the shocks don't feel like glass rods.

Modern roads - at least outside of mainland Europe - are deteriorating in quality and they're not going to get better either. A car that can cope with these kinds of road conditions better than its competitors will be the more attractive proposition for me.
 
Not a fan of Ferraris, on each occasion I have had the opportunity to drive one the experience hasn't lived up to the expectation. Sound great for sure and generally look amazing both inside and out but for me at least a highend Porsche feels more connected.

I voted MP4-12C but in all honesty I will never own either but it's nice to dream.
 
Passion and Emotion = Ferrari

Precision and Clinical = McLaren

Tough choice for me right now.
 
If the MP4 had a traditional high revving normally aspirated engine like the original (preferably supplied by BMW :D) then no one would even consider the Italia over it, but it doesn't and there is the dilemma, you see Porsche have used turbo engines in their ultra hi-performance cars for decades now and still the enthusiast will always chose the GT3 as their favourite.
 
The 458 Italia stole my heart when launched, so Italia it is.;)
 
@ TheDriver: A couple of interesting points in response:

The McLaren's new co-developed with Ricardo turbo engine makes max power at 7800 rpm and maxes out at 8500 rpm compared with the F1's 7400 rpm and 7500 rpm respective limits.

Porsche's flat six turbo's have never revved anywhere near as high as the MP4's engine. And I am very sure that even die hard fans of the GT3 will receive their GT2 RSs just as "enthusiatically". ;)
 
@ TheDriver: A couple of interesting points in response:

The McLaren's new co-developed with Ricardo turbo engine makes max power at 7800 rpm and maxes out at 8500 rpm compared with the F1's 7400 rpm and 7500 rpm respective limits.

Porsche's flat six turbo's have never revved anywhere near as high as the MP4's engine. And I am very sure that even die hard fans of the GT3 will receive their GT2 RSs just as "enthusiatically". ;)

I can't deny the figures, all I was questioning was whether it has the same response or exhaust/induction noise that engines like the one used in the original had and without experiencing it for myself I can only guess how this new one differs, emotion is a very important tool in defining how great the experience was and it's never been as important than when defining a supercar.

Hope this explains my opinion a little better. :usa7uh:
 
I can't deny the figures, all I was questioning was whether it has the same response or exhaust/induction noise that engines like the one used in the original had and without experiencing it for myself I can only guess how this new one differs, emotion is a very important tool in defining how great the experience was and it's never been as important than when defining a supercar.

Hope this explains my opinion a little better. :usa7uh:
Ah yes, throttle response and engine sound. :) Quite unrelated to max rpm and more to the kind of indution system used. I get your opinion now and yes, coming from one of the most throttle-responsive engines ever (apparently the F1 S70 engine has almost no flywheel effect so the revs just climb and dip in an instant) one has to see how this new engine compares in this regard.
 
It is indeed difficult to choose, which is why I haven't voted yet. Aside from the arrogance that Ferrari has they still make stunning cars. I love the 458 and it is by far my all time favorite Ferrari. However, I respect what McLaren has honestly done here and also love that car.
 
^ Yeah that sums it up nicely.

But question is, if supercars are all about enjoyment, which car would be more enjoyable to drive? Very subjective and relative question (i.e. what I like isn't necessarily what Aunty Mavis likes) but then what's the point and purpose of a supercar if not subjective?

Love that Italia, admire that Macca...
 
Not a fan of the Italia's looks. Not a fan of the Italia's reliability.

The only thing I dont like about MP4 are the doors. Vote goes to the MP4
 

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