M3/M4 E92 M3 discussion thread III

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Previous two threads:

2: http://www.germancarforum.com/showthread.php?t=7218&page=43

1: http://www.germancarforum.com/showthread.php?t=4038

 

[NarutoRamen]

WOO!! I'm the first in here!!!

I wouldn't be too worried about the M3 becoming a pure GT car. The E46 M3 was never a good GT car (it's not comfortable enough for long drives), but it was an awesome performance/sports car for the track that you can drive on the road.

Many people are concerned about the "purist" approach, and what that means to most people is a stick shift manual transmission, RWD, minimal electronic aids, and minimal weight. For most people, cars like the Lotus Elise is the "purest" you can get these days. If that's what you're looking for, the M3 is not for you. Let the M2 or whatever lower end model BMW M is making take on that market. The standard M3 has to beat the top of the line C-AMG car, top of the line RS4, and top of the line IS-F, which are not bare bones cars.

I have no doubt the new M3 will totally eclipse the performance of the E46 M3 and will be much more "hardcore" than its main competition (C63 AMG, RS4, and IS-F). It may or may not be as fast as the E60 M5 in a straight line, but it will definitely handle a lot better. If what people are saying are true, then the next M3 will have performance that will match or beat the Porsche 911, which is all time greatest sports car ever made, IMO.

Just like the E46 M3 outperformed the E39 M5 on a track, the E92 M3 may very well outperform the E60 M5 in the same way.

Dude I coudn't agree with you more. The only M3 that was pure was the E30 and then the E36 came with lots of luxury (for that time) and the Vadar seats in that car were very comfy, even for long drives. The reason why the M3 is so popular is because people want a good looking, somewhat comfy, and very sporty car for around 50-70k. I haven't heard of many people buying a brand new M3 because they want to race it, that's what the used and old ones are for...take out the seats, take out the carpets, install a roll-cage, tune the engine and add new suspension, now you're racing with one of the best chassis' in the world.

 

[swamp2]

M5 Not > M3!

It is also unfortunate that BMW insists that the M3 be positioned "below" the M5 and M6 "in every respect." If that includes overall performance, then the standard has already been set by the M6 and M5, and the question becomes how far below that standard the M3 and M2 will be positioned in order to "protect" the upper range models.

M3 has traditionally been faster than M5 in the lower speeds, 0-60 (E46 M3 0-60 < E39 M5 0-60), maybe 0-100 and always faster around the track. I am sure this will continue with the new M3. BMW marketing may need to put a totalitarian spin on which car is "better" or "above" but we all know the M3 is always more of a sports car and more of a performer in most ways. +1 on comment below about M3 eclipsing 911, if this is indeed true we have nothing to worry about. The power to weight ratio of the new M3 supports the besting of the 911 as well.

 

[Zafiro]

 

[rightnow]

*showing my support to the new thread*

 

[bmer]

The most closest competitors for the E92 M3 Coupé would be CLK 63 AMG Coupé and RS5. Now when will the RS5 hit the markets?

 

[chonkoa]

The most closest competitors for the E92 M3 Coupé would be CLK 63 AMG Coupé and RS5. Now when will the RS5 hit the markets?

+1. Especially when the CLK 63 AMG is rumoured to have 450 HP, and I am sure it will have plenty of Torque considering the displacement. Now will it be a high revving machine is another question.
RS5, in my opnion will use the same 4.2 litre V8 from the RS4, and may benefit from weight saving technology: I might be wrong.

 

[NarutoRamen]

The most closest competitors for the E92 M3 Coupé would be CLK 63 AMG Coupé and RS5. Now when will the RS5 hit the markets?

Not for a long while my friend. I'd say in about 3 years, at least.

 

[Zafiro]

+1. Especially when the CLK 63 AMG is rumoured to have 450 HP, and I am sure it will have plenty of Torque considering the displacement. Now will it be a high revving machine is another question.
RS5, in my opnion will use the same 4.2 litre V8 from the RS4, and may benefit from weight saving technology: I might be wrong.

CLK63 already exist, with 481 hp. the upcoming C-class will get 450hp

 

[NarutoRamen]

Also just_me, you forgot to add that the CLK is going to be replaced soon.

 

[chonkoa]

CLK63 already exist, with 481 hp. the upcoming C-class will get 450hp

Thanks. I was referring to the C63 AMG.

 

[Zafiro]

Also just_me, you forgot to add that the CLK is going to be replaced soon.

but it aint getting an engine update and when is "soon". I doubt we see it this year.

 

[Imhotep Evil]

On tracks the CLK63 is no match for the 335i.
The M3 will be murder on the poor Merc.

 

[bmer]

What about M3 Sedan, do you guys think that it will have same 426 hp or less? I'd bet the same...

 

[NarutoRamen]

but it aint getting an engine update and when is "soon". I doubt we see it this year.

Well what I meant to say is that the M3 isn't competing against the CLK. I think a year or two after the M3 comes out the CLK is going to be replaced. Not to mention, the CLK63 coupe isn't even coming to the US so that right there means that MB don't consider the CLK M3's rival. It's C63 that has to take on the M3, even though it's a sedan.

 

[chonkoa]

On tracks the CLK63 is no match for the 335i.
The M3 will be murder on the poor Merc.

Although I think the 335i is a great car, I doubt if it is faster than the CLK63.

 

[Sunny]

Although I think the 335i is a great car, I doubt if it is faster than the CLK63.

CLK63 is a bitch around th track, there was some test in which it was way, way slower than 335 and even some hatchbacks around the track.

 

[LaArtist]

the CLK63 is a very underestimated car..beacuse its flawed..and old chassi
but ppl forget..it has freakin 481hp..thats NUTTS.. in a straigt line it should be fast as HELL..

 

[Matt]

Im subscribing to this thread. The M3 has always been and always will be a classic. We can pretty much assume that this car is going to blow the doors off the 911 CS, RS4, and even come close to matching the R8..maybe.

 

[RICHBOY]

the CLK63 is a very underestimated car..beacuse its flawed..and old chassi
but ppl forget..it has freakin 481hp..thats NUTTS.. in a straigt line it should be fast as HELL..

Here we go again with that Mercedes straight line talk!