F40 LeMans:
In explaining to me the discrepancies between Ferrari factory press cars and production cars, you made the following statements:
"An expert friend has said me that very first factory's Enzo made appprox. with 686 hp and weight 50 Kg less than the production Enzo.
not being in field, you cannot know that the 599 exist two various chip-setting.
some 599 have been tested with 620 HP, others (factory's 599) with 650/655 HP factory's setting chip. This chip-map is also available aftermarket, but not in Ferrari Service*. Remember is a factory's evolved chip, not others.
I have drive a chipped 599 and is sure faster than a stock 620hp, not much faster, but faster.
Evo.uk has tested a stock 599 and run 621 B.h.p on the dyno. 'Standard performances'. Want bet that Quattroruote's, AMS supertest (and all tests with a factory's 599) had many more?
A customer 599 is not fast like QR say so the 'real world' is like the 599 vs SLR video say."
Could explain why the 599 in AMuS was 7s faster than the SLR (blueprinted also?).
When Ferrari personnel are on track with ECU diagnostic/tuning equipment (because a factory-maintained 458 is likely to have "poor variation" in ECU?), adjusting tire pressures, changing out front wheels for larger ones to address inherent understeering characteristics, or providing their own fuel (by "fuels octane" were you talking about 104 or even higher?), when they initially fail to meet a specific target time (GT3 RS or Gallardo) this visibility does not exonerate them. Would you be so comfortable with Porsche doing the same for a Turbo?
Guibo we had talked yet on the other site. I agree your sense. But. If other factories without the intricate process or method like Ferrari has, sending high blueprinted cars, are all very fast examples that does not represent what a standard customer can do.
Lamborghini sent to QR a LP640 blueprinted and it was however a fast result. That car was provided for Italian test with a high blueprinted engine. My friend owned later that car, was rated 670PS by internal rumors.
No less Porsche, with its grey-rocket 997GT2 to Italian press. The car was owned later by Manuma, a great Italian collector. The car was provided from the Factory with a high blueprinted engine rated nearly to 600PS.
http://www.automobilismo.it/porsche-911-gt2-2008-1-introduzione
http://www.manuma.eu/gt2.jpg
http://www.manuma.eu/gto6.JPG
If Ferrari was running a 650/655PS 599GTB, Lamborghini was running a 670PS LP640 and the Porsche with the grey-rocket ca. 590PS 997GT2. Wich is the difference on big-money talking about results of high blueprinted cars?
Nothing, they are all both very fast press cars
When Ferrari personnel are on track with ECU diagnostic/tuning equipment (because a factory-maintained 458 is likely to have "poor variation" in ECU?), adjusting tire pressures, changing out front wheels for larger ones to address inherent understeering characteristics, or providing their own fuel, when they initially fail to meet a specific target time (GT3 RS or Gallardo) this visibility does not exonerate them.
Are you so sure that other Factories never sent a person behind their car to verify every aspect, like no low to the required octane fuels inside the car during the test? Adjusting tire pressures, or sending the car with 4 new best omologated size tires on? If other Factories are so disinterested. If you think so. Tell me. This thing is strange, Auto's editor said the opposite. They all factories send people behind their cars, obviously it their interest.
Their, red jackets, theft is
to vary just a little bit the torque curve behind the fuels *octane rating* used you are saying. Thant means something like 10PS on a total 650PS blueprinted engine. Yes A BIG theft
When other factories send cars just in the same powerful conditions.
So they steal because:
They have a red truck behind to ship the car
They are 5 or 6 persons behind the car
They had new best size (omologated) tires behind
They had the ECU diagnostic equipment (not for tuning Guibo [preconcept?], it's for setting their ECU behind the octane fuels used
)
They adjust for 10+ hp the car over the blueprinted engine
I'm not saying they are angels, but they represent just a team intent to give the maximum from thier car, no less than other factories that sent exactly blueprinted perfect-rocket cars.
When Nissan send their personnel, with trucks and team to N'Ring, spent a lot of effort, changing tires, setting dampers, electronic systems behind, with their bleprinted mule, to meet something, they can and it's ok.
When Ferrari send their personnel to a track, with trucks and team, spent a lot effort, changing tires, fuels, verifying geometries, electronic systems and their press high blueprinted car, to meet something, does not exonerate them? and these AREN'T preconcepts?
And what should they do? remain in Maranello?
The customer cars are an other point. The same for everything. Lamborghini, like Porsche with 997 Turbo/GT2 rockets that usually sent to Italian press.
More on 599 testing. This was posted by Car & Driver's photographer on another forum.
"Back when the 599 came out I was assigned to photograph it for a story, Ferrari brought two cars, one for us to do numbers testing and one for the photoshoot/driving impressions. A group of technicians spent hours mapping the test car, setting up the launch control and brought Rafaelle de Simone, their factory test driver to drive it and show the writer how to get the best times out of the car (despite it being a no brainer with launch control and paddle shifters). They also only let the writer do three runs for the acceleration tests. The car did something like 3.2s to 60 which was much faster than it should have been given it's supposed power to weight.
We drove off with the other car for a multi-day trip into the mountains, but were forbidden to do any numbers testing on it."
I think you write this for avail this point. I know your type of thinking about. You think the spent really hours for mapping the car? like much time spent means a lot of HP more? I like this crazy point.
1°- if they want to tune REALLY the car in the ECU, they could arrive from the factory with tuned ECU. It's not necessary tuned on the field, for what? what is the sense?
2°- hours- want means? 3 hours for eventually a lot of more power? 3 hours for a different octane map? they are work (seeing with my eyes) of some minutes, 20 minutes, half an hour max, not hours.
3°- oh forbidden numbers testing runs - looking they aren't concerned to achived their best so the point is not try a lot of runs
or trying a lot of standing start runs without the perfect method there are just possibilities, in vain, to over-load of work the electronic clutch?
