CarAndDriver: Lexus LFA vs Ferrari 599 GTB HGTE Fiorano


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I am only stating what has actually happened. LFA HAS actually matched SLS AMG in AutoZeitung and Car magazine tests, but AutoZeitung pointed out LFA required a lot of tries before they got the perfect run while SLS using launch control ran the same everytime. The launch control is what makes the SLS AMG win 9/10 times since LFA torches the tires.

Every reviewer has pointed out including AutoZeitung and SportAuto. In American tests, LFA got 11.8 secs without any launch control while SLS AMG got 11.5 secs with launch control on its best run. LFA is 300 pounds lighter and has better power to weight ratio so I don't see how it should not be atleast as quick or quicker.

Just a car without any way of proper launching is simply unfair to be compared to a car with a great launch control. Is it not??

Now it could be seen in how LFA beat the mid-11 seconds R8 V10 to 100 mph that proves LFA with launch control is very quick in a straight line. Without launch control, LFA does not stand a chance with AWD and a good R-tronic launch control on R8 V10 and 400 ft-lbs going to all wheels.


lambornima said:
Going by what you're saying with LC the LFA would be able to match the SLS. again, as I pointed out before, you speculate way too much about how LC will affect the car, and what the results will be. Im sure there will be more tests of the LFA and more importantly, Im sure we will get owners testing their cars (I hope they are enthusiastic enough about their car to drive it and want to share their experience with others)
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Although, they came out in different times and about 5 years apart, if you look at all their handling numbers, but since you pointed it out:

Carrera GT:




LFA:




Again, not a fair comparison since LFA is 6 years newer (so is 458 Italia and so are other cars) and they really should not be compared, but since you are comparing it to the LFA so just have to point it out. I would not normally compare these cars since there is no head to head available on them Back in 2004 around a race track, nothing could touch it.

p.s. Upon seeing the AutoBild comparison and the 7'38" lap times, Lexus Europe responded by confirming on twitter that currently LFA is lapping the Nurburgring in the "low 7'20"". The exact figure is still pending and said the Nurburgring edition will be faster than the race car LFA since it will have 572 PS and weigh the same as the race car LFA. Again, just trying to give an update on what is happening. Don't throw a hissy fit on me.

lambornima said:
Maybe Im not making my point clear (seemingly im not), that I understand how volume is the main determinant of unit price. It is for the LFA, Reventon and bang/buck cars like the Z06.

Yet when I look at the article posted in the other thread, with the LFA longside the SLS, 458, LP570 etc, the car fits right in. Next to cars like the LP670 or Carrera GT, it just wouldnt fit in.

Why do I love the LFA? because the car is very well made and a great first attempt by Toyota. It sounds amazing and looks pretty good too. I love all cars and even if I prefer a LP570 to a 458 doesnt mean I dont like the 458. I love the Reventon but its got no place next to a Veyron for comparison. As such I love the LFA, but its got no place next to top of the line Ferraris and Lambos.
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lambornima said:
what are the specs of the LFA Nring edition?
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Not too much is available, but it is supposed to be lighter than the standard LFA due to more usage of carbon fiber (~ 150 - 200 pounds) more aggressive shifting software reducing shift time and will have 13 PS more power (10 HP more). It will also have slick racing tires on it and a more aggressively tuned suspension.

Lexus Europe is claiming it is significantly faster than the standard and race car LFA (which is restricted to 500 HP, 7500 rpm and weighs 3300 lbs to meet the SP8 4.0 liter - 6.2 liter near-stock minimum requirements).


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lambornima said:
Yet when I look at the article posted in the other thread, with the LFA longside the SLS, 458, LP570 etc, the car fits right in. Next to cars like the LP670 or Carrera GT, it just wouldnt fit in.
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You can tell where a car fits just by looking at pics and stats in an article? Are you quite sure the Weisman fits alongside the LP or 458?
You said the SLR was of the same caliber of the CGT and Enzo. What makes the LFA not of the same caliber as the SLR?
 
Look at the Slalom speeds and numbers of the LFA compared to the Carrera GT. 9 times out of 10 the LFA is the superior handling car in any comparison. We can only assume Lexus will put semi-slick tires on the production version and make the wing angle a bit better for high speed acceleration. I'm sure there's not much hassle in changing the wing angle for speed. Launch Control we know will be included. So with all that said we can see the LFA achieves what it was set out to do, be a handling beast.
 
Well, it's 3 pages into it, and the fact I haven't said anything is quite absurd. :D

I haven't read the 3rd page of this thread yet as I need to get another bowl of popcorn, but there's one point I want to make....

The LFA shares how much of its componentry with other Lexi/Toyotas?

Exactly, save for the navi, it shares nothing. The chassis was from the ground up, twice over in fact, once in aluminum and the second time in CF. The engine/drivetrain is ground up new. All the big ticket items are not shared or homolagated from anything in Toyota's or anyone else's stable. In modern times where everything is now shared and adapted, this one of the only true bespoke cars out there not from a boutique. Hell, even $1.5M+ Veyron shares its engine architecture with a Bentley, that was comissioned by VW. Ferraris, while lovely machines, share bits and pieces with other Ferraris and Fiats. This car is special. Special to produce and special to drive. It has incredible performance that can't solely be judged by single parameters such as 0-60, but it has one of the best feel (and pretty damn good numbers) on the track. It is an amalgam of all those silly parameters that we debate about and distilled into a rather pure machine. This car has not been compromised by those who have obsessively envisioned and worked on it. It was design from the get-go with a singular mission. It is worth the price. It is special. And those who recognize its specialness will overlook the L in the oval badge.

Now I'm just a lowly car enthusiast who will talk about it like he may know thing or two, so my words can and will be taken with not just a grain of salt, but saltshakers worth, but I'll (again) invoke Chris Harris' take on the LFA.
YouTube - Lexus LFA - Evo Magazine

The only car that I think that'll gove the LFA a run for perfomance and specialness is the McLaren MP4-12C. We'll see if it does.
 
Yet, another one (driver is actually the Gazoo LFA 24-hours Nurburgring race driver). Need I say more? :D

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330CIZHP said:
Yet, another one (driver is actually the Gazoo LFA 24-hours Nurburgring race driver). Need I say more? :D
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That tickling of the throttle at 0:48 is just sick. Reminds me of old cars with aggressive cams trying to hold a steady idle.
 
Guibo said:
That tickling of the throttle at 0:48 is just sick. Reminds me of old cars with aggressive cams trying to hold a steady idle.
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Yeah, true. I think the video also shows how sensitive the throttle response is. You can hear several times the car "bucking" forward so rapidly because he is feathering the throttle.

Also, who does not like the slides sideways at the top of 2nd gear at 1:24 while bouncing off the rev limiter.
 
hoffmeister_fan said:
Yes...and yes. They both have a beautiful voice.

So there's no confusion, I'm refering to the LFA and the presenter, not to take anything away from the driver. He's a top-notch driver. :)
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Hahaha...I believed you. You didn't need to explain. Not like you got Green or Pink pants like some other people...HAHA
 

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