S-Class (W140/C140) Can you hang on with a car for 18 years? (R129 V12 and W140 V12)


The Mercedes-Benz W140 is a series of flagship vehicles manufactured by Mercedes-Benz from 1991 to 1998 in sedan/saloon and coupe body styles and two wheelbase lengths (SE and SEL). The first generation CL-Class was the sleek but hard-lined and redesigned W140-chassis (internally known as C140) coupé of 1992–1999.

jackywhatever

Precision Tuner
Brief History
Back in 1992, I was 4. My family’s W126 500SEL was stolen. A W140 with the M120 (6.0 V12) was the replacement. Shortly thereafter, my father sold his Porsche 911 (should be a 964, not sure if it’s a turbo) for a R129 with M120 as well.
The country I live in was not very safe back in those years. At times cars in front stopped suddenly and made us crash into them. For this reason and also my family being pretty low-profile, my father asked the dealer to rebadged both cars: 300SEL and 300SL-24. The V12 badges were removed.
The M120 on the W140


Today
There is 130,000 KM (80,000 miles+) on the W140, 58,000 KM (36,000+ miles) on the R129. They are still the faster and safer cars on the road, plus both cars means a lot to my family we are not selling them away. To me, I spent lots of time in the back seat and the W140 was the first car I have driven.


General Feeling
The way everything works together makes a complete A->B driving experience. It drives like a… car. Be reminded that even most of the new 2010 cars out there still doesn’t drive like a car, but something with four wheels. In my limited experience with newer I4, i5 and V6 cars, V12 feels MILES apart. Heavy, but refined.
Just to include how different is the R129 from W140. R129 is much more sensitive to your foot, rpm climbs to the point in milliseconds. Steering is tight. Suspension is spring-based, you get a good idea about the road surface, bumpy but very sensational. There is much more driving fun in there.

Sound (Basically the same engine, but tuned very differently)
W140: Startup sounds loud, thereafter very quiet up to 2500rpm, 2500-3500rpm sounds reserved, 4000+ were loud but nowhere aggressive


R129: Startup sounds like the real deal, supercar style! moans up to 2000rpm, 2000-3000 sounds raw and it begs you to push harder, 3500+ sounds exotic but capable.



Decline and Resurrection
it is no longer easy to service the vehicles. In 2002 both cars locked up itself because it was a self protective measure to prevent further use. (to prevent potential accident caused by aging mechanics, possibly only implied on V12s). A full inspection and hiring specialist from Mercedes cost about USD$37,500 for both cars. Not sure if that will happen again in 2012. Also strange problems starting to pop up here and there, some easier, some more troublesome.

Windows stuck, air-conditioning, brakes, less-than-perfect suspension, not-so-smooth transmission (still the V12 helped a lot, but gear shift feels a slight kick), poor noise isolation, lowered engine output, cracks in original paint. With some servicing and tolerance, it is still enjoyable to drive the W140, still better than a Toyota in any measure. It’s an 18-year-car, I think that’s impressive enough.


The R129 is in better condition though, everything works great. Although it received new bodyworks and post-facelift (clear) headlamps after an accident.




(sorry for my English, but I hope you enjoyed my first post to this forum:D:D)

Should I post this in the SL forum as well?
 
When the W140 was launched I was a young boy myself...man did the car impress me - technical toure de force! Big and without PDC in those days it had the two rods on the boot that popped up when you put it in reverse and the double glass for the side windows...all was so impressive...also the first new S-class after the iconic but very old and sooo loooong in production W126.
My dad had a 380SE and 500SE W126 back in the day.

Memories;)
 
Welcome mate to gcf..

WOW man we have the exact same car in maroon a 300sel bought on 8 augaust 1992..

The car is still going good it has about 300 thousand kilos now..its been abused lately by my family members..

just to tell you guys how we bought the car..

Well i was still young didnt even have my drivers licence..i went with my dad to pickup my mum who landed from Uk..on the way back we passed a dealership and my dad wanted a part for a car..

While we were waiting my dad heard the parst guy saying the first 300sel off the new S calss hads been imported into SA..My dad had seen teh car two weeks erlier in germany and was highly impressed..Next thing my dad tells the guy he wants to show the car to me and my mum.My mum and i loved the car and my dad spoke to the bank and did a deal and yes we drove teh car away home it was a instinctave deal and a car my dad just bought..in those days when we had the S class 300 SEL people used to look at us as if we had something beyond any car on the road the presence and size off the W140 is something else ..In a way i hope the next S class can have that same appeal off the W140...the car has many great memories...
 
What a nice way to introduce yourself to this forum:usa7uh:, fantastic 1st post. I too ride inside a W140 600 SEL back when I was a kid, living in Hong Kong, I just remembered it felt very big and comfortable inside. Sadly we sold it when we moved to Sydney.
 
When the W140 was launched I was a young boy myself...man did the car impress me - technical toure de force! Big and without PDC in those days it had the two rods on the boot that popped up when you put it in reverse and the double glass for the side windows...all was so impressive...also the first new S-class after the iconic but very old and sooo loooong in production W126.
My dad had a 380SE and 500SE W126 back in the day.

Memories;)

Are we seperated at birth ? :D

Almost exactly like my story.
 
it had the two rods on the boot that popped up when you put it in reverse

Memories;)

I found those rods interesting. They theoretically help with reverse but personally i find them useless :eusa_thin Reflections of the backup lights from the walls tells the whole story about the distance of the car from rear objects. Clever optics. :usa7uh:





What a nice way to introduce yourself to this forum:usa7uh:, fantastic 1st post. I too ride inside a W140 600 SEL back when I was a kid, living in Hong Kong, I just remembered it felt very big and comfortable inside. Sadly we sold it when we moved to Sydney.
The pics are from Hong Kong :t-cheers:




I would like to add: servicing the vehicle cost about $2,500 per year. Gas... $6,500 per year! But remember I am living in a place where gas prices are about $2/L or $8/gallon!
 
Welcome and great first post. :t-cheers:

My dad has a 1989 R129 500SL and he's not planning on getting rid of it either. It's been very reliable overall except for the roof mechanism, which on two or three occasions has jammed preventing the roof from opening (and once from closing). Other than that, she's a solid machine. :cool:
 
jackywhatever, that looks like HK? Or perhaps some Asian country. Didn't know it would be so dangerous even up till today.

Anyway, thanks for sharing the Mercedes story in your family. My dad had a W140 too, albeit it was a real S320L and he did not rebadge it or whatever. I still miss a lot even though I was only a passenger in the car all of the time. The kind of solidity in that car I felt... Was only felt in the Phaeton of all the cars we had after the W140. The W220, D3 A8 all lacked that last degree of the tank-like feel.

You're a lucky man to have two V12s in the family. :usa7uh: I've never driven nor sat in a V12 car before. Only a V10 at the very most.

PS. Just read that you're at the HK... So I was right. :) The photos had a very HK feel.
 
God know how much i love the R 129,let alone the a V12 SL600:icondrool:icondrool:icondrool

Welcome to the forums dude:t-cheers::D
 
Interesting real-world look at some of the old-school V12s from Mercedes-Benz. I've always wondered how they'd age. Such iconic design, especially the R129.

M
 
I can understand your attachment to the W140. A close friend of our family bought a spanking new green W124 with beige interior back in 1993, but to many people's surprise, it is still his daily driver despite the fact that he can afford up trade-up. Driven courteously the car is still dependable and runs as if it's the 90s.
 
I'm going to try and keep my S for 14 years by skipping the next model ( I only have 12K miles or so). I intend to upgrade the SL instead ... but I can't make any promises. :)

Welcome Man!
 
I'm going to try and keep my S for 14 years by skipping the next model ( I only have 12K miles or so). I intend to upgrade the SL instead ... but I can't make any promises. :)

Welcome Man!

In your case though, I do suggest you to get a new S w222 and keep the SL. I don't like the new design philosophy of the post 2nd FL SL at all, it looks good only on the SL65 BS. Let's hope it won't get any worse on the forthcoming model.
Actually w220 and w221 was not very convincing, in terms of interior design (but probably w220 FL and w221 FL were in terms of appearance).

the upcoming w222 sounds promising for its pre-scan and additional safety measures. It will be a pretty good time for my family to get one (V8.. no more V12), provided that the w140 is not in very good condition, hope it can stand till 2013. I wish MB can come up with a better interior in terms of control, having everything on a screen is not the right solution. My father is 60+ now and refuses to learn how to control a computer or fancy stuff.

We will keep the R129 though, as it looks and works like new.



P.S. I would like to share another short story though. Once one of the tyre on the W140 leaked but it was a long way to a shop or home. The spare tyre was not good for use either (not fixed since last failure). You probably can tell the rims on both cars looks exactly the same from my pictures. My father ride a cab home and brought the spare tyre from the R129 to where the car was. Result was... it didn't fit. The bolts were different.:t-banghea ended up the car was towed.:t-hands:



You're a lucky man to have two V12s in the family. :usa7uh: .
I feel thankful for that too. Whenever I get to the point M120 still being produced for exotic cars, I go speechless.:t-drive:
Back 18 years if possible I would have convinced my father to get a Ferrari instead of the R129. as Ferrari keeps its value over time. Basically the two cars we have today worth little.
Nice though the fact is in my family only my father and I have a driver license. I don't see a need of buying a car for myself until I get married. A good way to save a lot of money :D
 
Can anyone tell why the bolts were different? I bought and shipped E55 Monoblocks to my brother for the W140 S600 but guess what, it didn't fit. What can I do?
 

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