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[SKY]

Why don't you cancel your appointments for this afternoon and go visit the BMW dealership? I want to know what you think of it.

I sat in the iX3 for the first time this week. Far and away beyond any other German car, particularly the GLC EV which I sat in 10 minutes after experiencing the iX3. It also shits all over the non NK BMW interiors. The 5er is just ghastly in comparison. And old.

Panoramic iDrive is a sight to behold. Absolutely sick. Flawless.

You know what? I might do just that. Just bought the new Golf but if not I might even consider the G50. So the iX3 interior is going to be interesting to review.

 

[martinbo]

But 7er interior doesn’t suit that car at all.

In your opinion, it goes without saying.
This supposed disaster of the 7er's interior... it's being exaggerrated by a handful of familiar and predictable protagonists here.
I look forward to appraising the new interior design myself.

 

[Swissbob]

In your opinion, it goes without saying.
This supposed disaster of the 7er's interior... it's being exaggerrated by a handful of familiar and predictable protagonists here.
I look forward to appraising the new interior design myself.

It’s worse than the pre LCI IMHO.

For me personally it’s a dealbreaker.

At 200k I expect perfection.

 

[Matski]

What does the term "luxury" mean to you? A luxury coupe should have plenty of wood, leather, and metallic accents. Without them, they'll look too plasticky, like lower-class cars.

Luxury, to me is needless levels of design and artistry made with care and attention directly by skilled craftsmen specifically to individual tastes.

If you think the industrialised use of wood, leather and metallic accents on mass production car is luxury, then I think you lack imagination.

Also, as a crude example...

The black pen, is plastic bodied. The BMW Car Club biro is metal bodied. The pencil is wood...

One of them carried a luxury price tag, one was free, and the other was about 20 pence. Guess which one's which?

I don't know about your idea of sophistication and possibly not using such materials. What else would you use instead?

The application of common materials that can be formed on a production line doesn't intrinsically define luxury to me, personally. I'm not saying using those materials is bad - it's simply one of things - I'm curious as to why people hold the belief that certain choices (which in reality are relatively limited to streamline manufacturing processes) imply luxury. I've supplied the industry on and off all my working life (just found out we're making interior bits for the new Jag), so the gap between real value and perceived value has always been a pet peeve of mine.

 

[Serpens]

This is the right configuration

Looks gorgeous.

But 7er interior doesn’t suit that car at all.

Agree, but a nice exercise regardless. I hope they don't neuter the design if it makes it to production.

 

[martinbo]

It’s worse than the pre LCI IMHO.

For me, it isn't. I could never bring myself to like the curved widescreen design of the outgoing models.
It's the main reason why I didn't buy the facelift of my current car. But oh boy am I looking forward to the next generation.

For me personally it’s a dealbreaker.

For you, sure, but you were never going buy a 7er now were you?

At 200k I expect perfection.

Well, then it must be tough being a Mercedes fan.

 

[Dopebouy]

Luxury, to me is needless levels of design and artistry made with care and attention directly by skilled craftsmen specifically to individual tastes.

If you think the industrialised use of wood, leather and metallic accents on mass production car is luxury, then I think you lack imagination.

Also, as a crude example...

The black pen, is plastic bodied. The BMW Car Club biro is metal bodied. The pencil is wood...

One of them carried a luxury price tag, one was free, and the other was about 20 pence. Guess which one's which?



The application of common materials that can be formed on a production line doesn't intrinsically define luxury to me, personally. I'm not saying using those materials is bad - it's simply one of things - I'm curious as to why people hold the belief that certain choices (which in reality are relatively limited to streamline manufacturing processes) imply luxury. I've supplied the industry on and off all my working life (just found out we're making interior bits for the new Jag), so the gap between real value and perceived value has always been a pet peeve of mine.

What materials would you use on a ultra luxurious car instead of Wood, Metal & Leather?

 

[Uygar]

What materials would you use on a ultra luxurious car instead of Wood, Metal & Leather?

You don’t get the point. He argues that luxury is not about mass-produced materials that look expensive, but rather about true craftsmanship, originality, and bespoke design. People tend to mistake perception for real value and confuse standard details with genuine “luxury”. And yes, he’s not wrong.

 

[Swissbob]

@martinbo
I like the curved screen,I prefer it to the current setup.

However the 8er/Z4 setup was even better.

7er,X7, the S-Class/Maybach and Range Rover are always considered, when I am buying a new car.

In 2019 I unfortunately bought a e-tron instead of the pre LCI X7
M50 with individual interior , this was a stupid decision.

I am not happy with the new 223 Mopf either, but an upholsterer can sort the disturbing things out.

 

[Dopebouy]

Well, then it must be tough being a Mercedes fan.

At 200k, This is what you get at Mercedes.

 

[leylandi]

In your opinion, it goes without saying.
This supposed disaster of the 7er's interior... it's being exaggerrated by a handful of familiar and predictable protagonists here.
I look forward to appraising the new interior design myself.

You need to learn to respect different opinions. Not everyone has to think exactly the same as you.

 

[Swissbob]

You don’t get the point. He argues that luxury is not about mass-produced materials that look expensive, but rather about true craftsmanship, originality, and bespoke design. People tend to mistake perception for real value and confuse standard details with genuine “luxury”. And yes, he’s not wrong.

If you read the comments you know that Mont Blanc lives on their heritage, the current products are mostly rubbish.

The craftsmanship doesn’t help it the materials are crap and the product disintegrates after a few years.

Luxury is for me the combination of a timeless design, highly skilled craftsmanship, high quality materials, with a very long product lifespan.

The price I am prepared to pay depends from these points.

 

[martinbo]

I like the curved screen,I prefer it to the current setup.

Each to his own, you do, I don't. It's matterless in the end.

However the 8er/Z4 setup was even better.

Sure, I agree with you every bit but what are we even on about? The game's moved on. BMW and Mercedes have both moved on to screen-intensive driver-machine interfaces. The way of the future looks to be moving further away from small info-light displays recessed into binnacles and centre consoles. It is what it is.

7er,X7, the S-Class/Maybach and Range Rover are always considered, when I am buying a new car.

Yes, of course, like I consider an E-Class when buying my next daily but that doesn't mean I'll buy one. You've bolstered my point.

In 2019 I unfortunately bought a e-tron instead of the pre LCI X7
M50 with individual interior , this was a stupid decision.

Eh, don't be so hard on yourself.

I am not happy with the new 223 Mopf either, but an upholsterer can sort the disturbing things out.

An upholsterer can't change that dubiously angled pane of glass that's going to reflect like a muthaf#cka in bright sunlight.

 

[martinbo]

You need to learn to respect different opinions. Not everyone has to think exactly the same as you.

Hey amoeba brain - I'm having a civil discussion with a respectable adult. Wind your neck in.

 

[manuelf]

So - if BMW is going to produce this - which I absolutely hope for - on what basis. So it is CLAR2 platform based on G70 underpinnings or what?

 

[martinbo]

At 200k, This is what you get at Mercedes.

And that might be wonderful for Mercedes but it has no place in a BMW. They're different and they appeal differently. That's how brands work.

 

[Esp5]

We're in a period where some luxury cars aren't using as much wood, and there's nothing wrong with changing things up for a while. There's a new approach to luxury right now, new designs that don't always rely on the same old tricks, something more modern, at least for the time being.

 

[Uygar]

At 200k, This is what you get at Mercedes.

Yeah, you get bunch of screens and colored leather that looks tacky as f*ck. Who caaaaaares man. Please stop posting Mercedes stuff on this thread, damn.

 

[klugscheisser87]

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Mixed feelings about this.
It has the final pre NK vibes ( most irrelevant designs ) which resemble the SkyFlop thing, too much funservice there IMO.

I was hoping this to be more unique and ahead of its time instead being a mix of everything from the past few years.

 

[Serpens]

Mixed feelings about this.
It has the final pre NK vibes ( most irrelevant designs ) which resemble the SkyFlop thing, too much funservice there IMO.

I was hoping this to be more unique and ahead of its time instead being a mix of everything from the past few years.

That's true, it's hardly groundbreaking. Pretty though, and the auto market needs more of that.