BMW V-series / F-series (V5/F5 & V3/F3)


EnI

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V5 aka RFK (Room Functional Concept) aka Space Travel Concept aka Luxury Sports Cruiser



scott26 said:





The RFK is BMW's interpretation of what a space functional concept vehicle or as it is known in development the BMW's interpretation of Space travel should be. The RFK is also a first step in BMW defining new niches with unique products that take the next step as BMW designers are currently shaping the future . Extending the design language and exploring all avenues and possibilities for future products.
BMW now appeals to the individual customer now that is why we are the worlds successful Car company.


The RFK is seen as a niche product much in the vein of the X5 as well as filling out the product portfolio with our usual products. BMW are developing a portfolio of unique "mobile communication statements". The design does the talking in this portfolio of models which will appear in our long term strategy including unique groundbreaking ideas. So, the Xcoupe was not just a styling exercise. That concept still has an agenda - mind X6 SAC.

In the future BMW will offer a unique vehicle in each class as we differentiate from the competition , Think how Mercedes are launching the CLS Because BMW proved a radical design could break open the segment.


BMW see the RFK as a car with no challengers. They are not concerned by the R-Klasse. They know what it is like now and see their product as different . BMW have took RFK design ideas further compared to the R-Klasse which looks like a SUV mini van or a mini bus.

The RFK will be a sleek fastback coupe like vehicle although it will not be as spacious or plain as the R-Klasse ( which is aimed at the US )
The RFK will appear to the continental european . It will drive like a car , handle like a car and have same weight distribution as a car.


The RFK is a very exciting product for BMW, because they know that when the RFK arrives in 2008 the MB R-Klasse will be already established. Not only will BMW offer a vehicle that is unique, not only in design, but also in handling, construction, interior and technology.

BMW have taken a new approach to this segment and are hoping to reap the rewards when the car goes on sale. Of course it is well to remember that BMW's last niche vehicle from tradition the X5 has been a tremendous market success. BMW are hoping that when the RFK eventually hits the market that the success is repeated. We want to release two RFKs in intervals – each based on different size platforms.

It is still early but although the groundwork and development are beginning
There is much talk of what to call the RFK. »V« is the prefered choice. So, the RFK might get the V designation - on strong emphasis on versatile instead of van, but there is still time to change priority. The design itself will proclaim that this is not a van. When this car gets unveiled it will be ahead of it's time.


The RFK is expected to feature a V8 and a twin turbo V8 petrol. A diesel the top engine will be a twin turbo V10 diesel tuned for performance developed from the upcoming V10 diesel.

BMW do not want the RFK to have the top line powerplants and leave it at that. They want the car to be a BMW a new progression for BMW but it has to have the character and ability, so desired in a BMW.

Rumours that the car will introduce V6 engines is Bullshit.
BMW do not believe in V6 engines. A V6 is not to our priorities, because we use inline six cylinder engines. That is essentially part of our mantra: »Defy convention of other car manufacturers«.


RFK is a true 21st century vehicle. The styling sets up for the next generation of BMW.

We make sport sedans, coupes, tourings and SAV's, so we will not be different with the RFK. We want to make a sporty niche premium vehicle: competent, dynamic and alien in the market. And the RFK is it. The RFK will be positioned as another sporting product from BMW.

Driver and passengers will experience a special, individual feeling of space, combined with the dynamic performance and elegant, sporty look, which are associated with the BMW brand.

Btw, some of these new engines, that I have mentioned, have just entered design and prototype stage. What I am taking from is decision on paper with what they want and what they are beginning to design.
Internally the new diesels are described as »M« diesels - although in concept and idea only! Hence the emphasis on performance.

The first engineering prototypes are being developed on extended 5er Tourings and 7ers.

Along with full integration of i-drive apart from major functions the RFK will also spearhead at i-drive functions that will download into the key from home or office terminals, so all settings are stored for each user of the car. This include vehicle settings, seats, routes, drive preparation, music. The in RFK built technology will also be the signal to the forthcoming 7er in 2008

To showcase further individuality, BMW would like to offer hydrogen power as they believe a radical car would compare well with radical technology and hydrogen power could well be a strong candiate in the not so distant future.

The use of carbon fibre will feature such as the roof structure which will entail low centre of gravity for better handling and performance.
Space, Performance and innovation will be it's identity.


The interior is planned to offer a 2-3-2 seating or strict 5 seater arrangement, Long wheel base is to be decided but might be offered or not a central seat in the rear passenger compartment is also under discussion. Be under no illusion that The rear two seats are for adults. They will mainly be for small children. BMW are have legislation for rear suicide doors as this would mark out the concept as unique, daring and adventurous amongst the competition. Safety will of course be a high priority with multiple airbags and a new safety system being developed now for future BMW's


The RFK will also enhance the BMW design language forward it will be a postmodern futuristic vehicle.

The AutoBild Huckfeldt's pictures are roughly 94,95% correct. The scale is wrong, but not the height. This thing sits long and low. Again this is why R-Klasse looks like a Minivan or SUV compared to the RFK. The rear picture of the car is more to scale.

The front will feature headlamps that curve into the front of the car to the prominent stand out twin kidney grille. You cannot see the front details very well in those pictures. Some images showing a 3er , 5er face are way off the mark.

And whilst other manufacturers are looking at super wagons, BMW reckon this would be commercial suicide. BMW will whet the appetite for the RFK with a concept for some upcoming auto show as they want to show that they are not developing a " Van".


The car should be ready for launch in 2008.The vehicle will be produced in our German plant network, for the parts, components and architectures will have features in common with the BMW brand models produced in this country. Moreover, we are expecting demand for this “space-functional” automobile to be strongest in Europe at the moment.
 
Re: BMW V-series (V5 & V3)

V3 aka mini RFK aka Compact Sports Cruiser aka Coupe Space Concept


scott26 said:
http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f5front0ta.jpg http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f5back7ko.jpg

This is not V5 RFK. This is the V3 proposal .

The 3er based model - note the shoulder line - the rear and the conventional estate like look.

This is the proposal for the V3. The fronts are similar because of new family designation.



scott26 said:
http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=couve1lb.jpg

That is a van with windows or at close a Minivan MPV similar to Renault Scenic class. Unfortunately they are out of this one.

The proposed V3 undergoes internal name of "CoupeSpace" in which overall shape is similar to a fastback coupe shape think the very old Audi 100 Avant but a much lower roof line and shallow glass area.

CoupeSpace is a mixture of Coupe and MPV - Space is of course not the issue here but the BMW approach of defying convention and thinking out of the box .

The V3 will of course sit below the RFK (V5) which will be much sportier than it's Mercedes-Benz Rival the R-Klasse. So don't expect the V3 to be a rival for the B-Klasse - They will be worlds apart.
 
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all PS´s are horrible.. im sure it will turn out better than all these..
 
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I'm fearing these V5/V3 models might dilute BMW's whole array of cars. Each car BMW has now competes in a specific segment, with a specific customer it caters for. With cross-overs like the V5/V3, I hope we're not seeing another Mercedes issue with too wide a product offering for it to cope properly.
 
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Matt said:
whats the difference of this and a 5/3 touring model???

Think R-class compared ot C and E class wagons.

Cool idea, however I'm more excited about the AWD X coupe.
 
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Its fine overall, but the rear end is WAY too high!!!
 
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Yannis said:


Call me crazy but i like this one.:D

I like that to, but not as a BMW, just doesn't look dynamic enough!

A V10 performance diesel sounds an interesting idea!:usa7uh:

Thanks for the info EniLab!
 
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BMW_Dude said:
I like that to, but not as a BMW, just doesn't look dynamic enough!

It was said (obviously not cleraly enough) V3 won't be shaped like this B-class-ihs or Scenic-ish van vehicle:



Imagine more Audi Roadjet-ish shape: look at the silver CGIs - that's real V3 design proposal.
http://autoblog.it/uploads/BmwV3.jpg
 
Re: BMW V-series (V5 & V3)

This time Huckfeldt was smoking something ...

His latest impression of LSC:






Highlights from AutoBild article:

  • BMW dropped the idea of building smaller RFK (V3)
  • only large RFK will be build under internal name of "Luxury Sports Cruiser" (a mix of wagon, coupe & luxury sedan)
  • LSC will be launched in the end of 2009 and will aim at Euro markets
  • it will be based on next generation 5er touring (coming in 2010)
  • LSC will be larger than 5er touring, and more luxurious
  • much more sportier than MB R-class
  • higher seating position than 5er Touring, but lower than upcoming X6 SAC
  • 5m long, 1.55 high, 0.31cw, 4 seats (5th only provisional), 600 - 1500L luggage space, 18"-21" rims
  • xDrive optional
  • basis weight under 2,000kg
  • engines: 3.0i 258 PS • 3.0S(x)i 306 PS • 4.4S(x)i 408 PS • 2.5d 204 PS • 3.0(x)d 245 PS • 3.5(x)d 300 PS
  • V8 diesel possible, as well as M version
  • 6-gang manual or automatic (no DCT)
  • price 5,000€ more as 5er Touring
  • planned sales: 50.000 - 70.000 per year
 
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scott26 said:
That Huckfeldt's impression is too "current" for 2009. It will not look like that - interesting here is that these are concept design ideas - not officially chosen design but ideas.

The front lights are similar but the V will receive BMW's new interpretation of the twin kidney grille because the new shape forms and molds the front end of the car. The shape is chosen and you have already seen it but the details are being evaluated, re-evaluated, updated, changed the emphasis - to further distinguish the RFK from the R-Klasse. You might have 3 rows or seats but the RFK is not that type of car - BMW's of the future will be "mobile communication" statements in both exterior and interior. When NG-iDrive comes forth the rotating wheel will be replaced with an iPod style wheel - one will also be standard on the steering wheel connected to HUD. This will happen first in the next generation of the 7er which as one BMW engineer has said will make the S-Klasse technology look like DOS. :D

In that last picture if you shrink the glass house and make the side flanks shorter you have a close interpretation of CoupeSpace.
 
Re: BMW V-series (V5 & V3)

kidney grill already shown, I'm thinking the 1 series convert concept or X-coupé, leaning towards X-coupé
 
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i am finding it a bit funny that BMW is introducing a technolgy ahead of everybody else, then after everybody thinks it will flop, they get ind boggled and decide to adopt it to reap the beenfits, only to see BMW retaliating with something they need at least 5 more R&D years to be able to include
 
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Some interesting PS's there.

Hey Eni... is it going to be similar to the Hyundai Genus, in terms of concept and overall profile ?
I think this Hyundai looks absolutely stunning!:bowdown:

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Stunning...:icondrool

**Note: The Hyundai European Design Centre, located in Rüsselsheim near Frankfurt, was responsible for the design of the vehicle.
 

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