Vs BMW M5 vs. Mercedes E63 AMG Which is best?

[LaArtist]

wow i just thanked the hell outta this thread..
shut it down..its ruining my bad boy image..haha

 

[ALI]

All of you know my opinion already, its right there inside my avatar.

In general, my opinion basically is that the E63 is the better car here, I never had trouble taking it to the extreme or beyond extreme, it never disappointed me in any category, no electrical mulfunctions to start off, no reliability problems other than a software update for the trany, its the first car ive ever had that I havent thought of changing, I love it I love it I love it , and its more involving than I could ever need a car to be .... Ive driven the M5, and honestly I didnt find anything special in the way it drives, the only unique thing about it was that its too bumpy and back killing which was annoying in a way that by the time I got out of it and hopped in my E63 I needed a back massage, so I loved the M5 experience because it made me feel better about my car LOL.... However I do have one complaint on the E63 which is: when I turn on the A.C , the paddle shifters get freezing cold !! hahaha

THE E63/////AMG IS A PERFORMANCE MACHINE WITH MANNERS !!! AND IT LIVES UP TO EVERY DEMAND U CAN ASK FOR IN A CAR !!! Thank you

 

[LaArtist]

^lol i have that prob to.. i dont have paddles in my car..but my hands freeze off when i hold the steering..haha

 

[eclectic17]

Dang! Sorry for stirring such a hornets nest. That said, I agree with all comments that say the E63 is a better overall road-going package.

Let me add that we are really splitting hairs here. The M5 suspension is no more "superior" to the E63 and the E63 engine is "superior" to the V10 - better_for_me+qualifier sure but not superior. They both wring performance and handling miracles out of 4,000+ lbs. No one should be sorry for me or for someone who opted for an M5. I'm sure we are both having a blast. I'm just blasting more often (sorry).

When the rubber hits a wallet, it boils down to which bag of compromises you want to live with. I just wanted to add that perspective.

 

[Matt]

The M5, without a doubt, (warning bias/ fan boyism coming up ) is the far more engineered car here-if that makes any sense? Its engine and chassis were specifically designed for it-rather than borrowing components from other classes- like AMG's 6.3 litre, which is now in 5 of their models-

The chassis isnt simply a tightened version of a 530's but ultimately built from the ground up with all aluminum components-allowing the car to have a perfect weight distribution and in turn, nearly perfect balance and handling. The car has been honed with hundreds of thousands of miles on the nurburgring-and auto bahn.

So on paper, yes, the AMG is probably faster in most straight-line situations-but buying it over an M5-a car that is so specifically engineered and designed without exchanging an excess of parts with its siblings-is, well imo, not the best decision. Its the idea that a car is more than the sum of its parts-more than simply a revised product-rather the sum of the design and engineering that went to making the car work the way it does..... just my opinion.

o and btw, according to Automobile Magazine, which compared the M5 wagon, with the E63 estate, and RS4 avant, the M5 is more supple over bumps and road inconsistancies because the body is honed perfectly to the chassis and suspension set up than the e63. If i could find the article online-i'd show it to you.

 

[Deutsch]

The M5, without a doubt, (warning bias/ fan boyism coming up ) is the far more engineered car here-if that makes any sense? Its engine and chassis were specifically designed for it-rather than borrowing components from other classes- like AMG's 6.3 litre, which is now in 5 of their models-

I've always held this same sentiment for a long time. However the tides appear to have changed somewhat w/ the C63. I think AMG had their hands on the W204 chassis from jump and were able to do as they pleased during the same development time used for the standard car. This practice is similar if not exactly the same as that of M GmbH. Top dog at AMG is on the record saying that AMG's will be more focused products than in past times, and that appears to be the case(see the W212 E63 mules muling around?).

 

[Zafiro]

o and btw, according to Automobile Magazine, which compared the M5 wagon, with the E63 estate, and RS4 avant, the M5 is more supple over bumps and road inconsistancies because the body is honed perfectly to the chassis and suspension set up than the e63. If i could find the article online-i'd show it to you.

People on this board seem to think the suspension in M5 is hard to live with and that the seats are uncomfortable. But of course if you are MB fan or lack experience with the M5 you will think the E63 is a superior car to the M5 which is pure nonsense. Its just screams biased to claim such a thing.

 

[Deutsch]

Can we drop the fanboy hogwash and just respect others opinions and agree to disagree??? Buy either car and you'll learn to love it, if you don't, something is wrong with you.

 

[cawimmer430]

The M5, without a doubt, (warning bias/ fan boyism coming up ) is the far more engineered car here-if that makes any sense? Its engine and chassis were specifically designed for it-rather than borrowing components from other classes- like AMG's 6.3 litre, which is now in 5 of their models-

That doesn't mean much, really. The 6.3-l V8 wasn't developed overnight. It takes years to design and build a such complex engines like these. Once you have it, there's nothing to adding it to a variety of cars like how AMG does it.

 

[CorpusCallosum]

hold on.... people think the m5 seats are uncomfortable???? clearly theyve never been isnide one and decide to make something up to help support there claim

 

[Matt]

That doesn't mean much, really. The 6.3-l V8 wasn't developed overnight. It takes years to design and build a such complex engines like these. Once you have it, there's nothing to adding it to a variety of cars like how AMG does it.

your right, the engine is a masterpeice-but my point was that it wasnt specifically designed for any one model...

 

[cawimmer430]

your right, the engine is a masterpeice-but my point was that it wasnt specifically designed for any one model...

But that's not a bad thing.

It basically all comes down to this.

BMW M only modifies the cars that have potential as true purist / driving cars. 3er, 5er, 6er and Z4 become M3, M5, M6 and Z4 M.

AMG modifies all the cars that can handle the power of their engines and where a market exists. I suppose it has always been their way to equip every Mercedes with a more potent engine and improved suspension because there are people out there that want a more powerful Mercedes with improved handling but without giving up comfort and other traditional Mercedes qualities.

 

[Merc1]

Really interesting that some here can tell others what they found was or wasn't true about a particular car. To many BMWs have been uncomfortable for years, just as there will always be a group that doesn't think a Mercedes handles well enough. If someone finds the M5 uncomfortable how the heck can someone here tell them that they didn't? This thing about experience with the car (as in having driving it to hell and back) is getting tired too.

M

 

[CorpusCallosum]

^^^ I agree but having spent alot of time in my old mans M5 i just cant fathom someone saying the seats are uncomfortable sorry... cause they pain and simple ARE NOT... they are one of the most comfortable pair of chairs i have ever had the luck on sticking my bottom on... and i have been lucky anough so sit and ride in som quite remarkably comfortable vehicles

 

[Merc1]

People come in all shapes and sizes. I find Volvo seats to be the most comfortable of any car under say 80K, but others don't. It is a subjective thing just like styling.

M

 

[Zafiro]

I find Volvo seats to be the most comfortable of any car under say 80K, but others don't.

M

you are not joking about Volvo, I agree with that 100%.
Volvo know how to make comfortable seats.

 

[CorpusCallosum]

Learn to use the seat controls then... the seats in the M5 can be shaped moved postioned whatever you want for almost every body type... all seats are uncomfortable unless there set up for your body type...

 

[Merc1]

Amazing, and impossible.

M

 

[ICM]

My M5 was delivered to me a week ago, which was ordered at February. And I did not even try to find difference between E63 and M5 before my order. I just ordered M5 cos I wanted it. I like E63 too, but my choice was made to M5. I did not tell anyone around about my order till I didn't get it. When I drove it first day my business partner saw my car and told me that my choice was absolutely right. Let me tell you briefly who is he and what cars he owns. He worked for Daimler-benz company for more than 8 years and 1 year for Daimler-Chrysler on top positions. Then he started his own business. He owns Maybach, S65 AMG, M63 AMG in Germany and S63 AMG in Switzerland and S55 AMG in Uzbekistan. He is fan of AMG and knows every detail of this car even details of production. This man told me that I made a right choice of choosing M5 over any AMG. He told that M5 E60 is a masterpiece engineered car and even he has no comments to its engine. And at last he told me that if he sees my M5 in his rear-view mirror he will let me pass with no doubt.
I am driving my M5 on city traffic from last week and I am happy that I chose M5 although I didn't even think about another car.

 

[DeDe]

There will be a comparison between the M5 and CLS63 AMG in the new Sport Auto (this friday). If they'll say the CLS is better than the BMW, then I think the E will be too.