Vs BMW M5 vs. Cadillac CTS-V


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M5 Engine: 4.4L Twin Turbo V8
CTS-V Engine: 6.2L Supercharged V8 direct-injection

M5 Horsepower/Torque: 560-575 / 500
CTS-V Horsepower/Torque: 640 / 630

M5 0-60 mph: 4.2 seconds
CTS-V 0-60 mph: 3.7 seconds

M5 Transmission: Manual or DCT
CTS-V: 8 Speed auto with paddle shifters

M5 Weight: 4354 pounds
CTS-V Weight: 4145 pounds
 
M5 is more stylish and elegant but performance wise its going to be difficult for the M5. Besides, M is sold to Huyndai.
 
The M5 for me, no contest! The CTS-V just doesn't look special enough or aggressive enough. Lets wait and see what the US mags will achieve in the performance tests with the Caddi but I don't expect it to be any faster than the M5.

MT figures for M5 Competition Package:

0-60mph - 3.7sec
1/4mile - 11.9sec (122.2mph)
 
M5 is more stylish and elegant but performance wise its going to be difficult for the M5. Besides, M is sold to Huyndai.

lOl, it`s not that cut and dry Just_me. Hyundai just hired BMWs former M chief engineer.
You make it sound like thay bought the whole division.:sneaky:

-->>http://blog.caranddriver.com/hyunda...-gets-boost-from-former-bmw-m-chief-engineer/

Looks like this former engineer has taken his magic else-where.

Anyway,I think I`m going to go for the Caddy this time.
I like the M5 but this version is too heavy and the ratings have not been that great on overall dynamics.

The new CTS was a blast to drive imo, so accurate and light on it`s feet, was incredible.
I can only imagine what the CTS-V is like. I don`t like it in white though. Black on black or metal gray.

It will look better in the metal than in photos
 
lOl, it`s not that cut and dry Just_me. Hyundai just hired BMWs former M chief engineer.
You make it sound like thay bought the whole division.:sneaky:

-->>http://blog.caranddriver.com/hyunda...-gets-boost-from-former-bmw-m-chief-engineer/

Looks like this former engineer has taken his magic else-where.

Anyway,I think I`m going to go for the Caddy this time.
I like the M5 but this version is too heavy and the ratings have not been that great on overall dynamics.

The new CTS was a blast to drive imo, so accurate and light on it`s feet, was incredible.
I can only imagine what the CTS-V is like. I don`t like it in white though. Black on black or metal gray.
It will look better in the metal than in photos


did you have a go in the V-sport? the more i read about tha versio, more impressed i am. how would describe quslity of the interior?
 
M5 is more stylish and elegant but performance wise its going to be difficult for the M5. Besides, M is sold to Huyndai.

The F10 M5 wasn't a winner in its initial inception. BMW had to rush out that $7K competition package to get the M5 somewhat sorted. It still isn't a clear winner by a long shot. Judging by the lackluster reviews of the M3/4, it seems BMW has missed the mark yet again. Maybe Hyundia did M a favor.

The CTS-V gets my vote. It should be faster than the M5 in all metrics, those that matter in the real world (50-80mph) and those that don't (0-60mph).
 
did you have a go in the V-sport? the more i read about tha versio, more impressed i am. how would describe quslity of the interior?

Nope, it was the 2014 CTS-4 (AWD turbo-4 banger) base model.
I posted my test drive here. -->http://www.germancarforum.com/threads/2014-cadillac-cts.49759/

I got my hands on it just when thay hit the showroom floor. The CTS-V sport was not available at that time.
The interior quality, hmm... maby on par with the pre-face lifted 5-Series now that I think about it. It`s a tad on the light side
of the true quality equation we expect. The drive totally makes up for it with reflexes you would not believe, even for the base version.

This is why I believe the new CTS-V is going to be an incredibly awesome driving car.
 
Μ5 for me. Black exterior with white leather and light wood inside. Debadged.
 
I think current M5 CP still has enough capability to compete with CTS-V, according to Sport auto's latest super test, M5 CP achieved second fastest ring time within 4-doors saloon ever tested before and top speed reached 295 km/h in last long-straight, furthermore, next generation will emerge in next 2 or 3 years, even if CTS-V is able to beat F10 M5, BMW will still take back advantage in a short time.
 
I think current M5 CP still has enough capability to compete with CTS-V, according to Sport auto's latest super test, M5 CP achieved second fastest ring time within 4-doors saloon ever tested before and top speed reached 295 km/h in last long-straight, furthermore, next generation will emerge in next 2 or 3 years, even if CTS-V is able to beat F10 M5, BMW will still take back advantage in a short time.


The M5 CP is where the normal M5 should have been in the first place.
Most reviews say the regular M5 is heavy with dull dynamics compared to the competition and the previous version.

The CP is a little better but the reviews have not been that great.

I believe it`s safe to say the new CTS-V will annihilate the regular M5 and the rest of it`s competitors.
It`s going to be close with the CP package M5.

The new CTS-V has far more advantages in it`s playing cards as a 4-door track weapon, than any of it`s competitors.
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Car&Driver
“Call our response to the latest BMW M6 Gran Coupe and M5 sedan lukewarm. Our tests prove they’re plenty fast, but they lack the visceral communication and engaging soul that made the E39 M5 legendary. We ranked the M5 third in a comparison test against its Audi and Mercedes rivals."

"In a comparison against the Audi S6 and Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG, the M5 took last place because of its uncommunicative steering, soft suspension, and soft brakes. It is fast, but “to drive in haste, you must trust the machine, and the M5, capable as it is, keeps secrets,” we say.”
“With the shocks in Sport (Plus is too hard for the road), the throttle at Sport Plus, and the shifter at its sharpest setting, this car feels more like a real M. To approach E39 playful-puppy mode, you’d have to find a way to cut more than 500 pounds from the curb weight, but that’s not in the cards for today’s cars saturated with safety tech and must-have luxury features. Owners of these modern Ms will just have to settle for their cars being way, way faster.”

-->>http://www.caranddriver.com/bmw/m5

"I should point out that as critical as I'm being of the BMW, this new M5 Competition Package is a much better-driving car than the regular strength M5 or the M6. (The latter finished 10 out of 12 at BDC 2013.) Had the Competition Package been available to us this past June, I'm betting the M5 would have finished quite a bit higher than tenth. It is a fabulous car. Trouble is, I'm tasked with explaining why such a fine machine is finishing behind the E63 AMG S Model in this here comparison test. Apart from everything else, confidence is a key factor, and I was simply more confident behind the wheel of the Mercedes than I was when driving the BMW. Confidence, especially knowing what's going to happen as you bury your right foot, allows you to push a car harder. I think most people will agree. While the competition between these two is quite fierce, AMG has built the slightly better hammer. But as we were conducting this test, M Division announced that it's considering AWD for the next batch of M cars."
"It seems things are just heating up, so watch this space. In conclusion, hats off to the boys at M for greatly improving what has up to now been a frankly disappointing M5. And hearty congratulations to AMG for beating BMW at its own game. Until we all meet again."

-->>http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests..._amg_s_vs_bmw_m5_competition_pack_comparison/

"Tinkering with the Drive Performance Control modes still adds more weight than feel to the steering. However, the gearboxis quicker, and downshifts are accompanied by a deeper growl thanks to the sportier set of pipes which, for the Competition Pack, are finished in black chrome.
The M5 is still a big and heavy car, so it’s a shame our model’s carbon ceramic brakes aren’t fitted as a part of the upgrade. The standard brakes can start to fade after heavy use, so the extra £7,295 might be a good spend for track day fans"

"On the road, even the keenest drivers will struggle to set the BMW M5 Competition Package apart from its slightly less powerful stablemate – so, while it’s brilliant, you’re probably better off saving your money. Serious enthusiasts might prize the new-found agility – especially when it comes to track driving – but the excellent Jaguar XFR-S feels all the more extreme and it costs roughly the same."

Read more: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/bmw/5-series/84969/bmw-m5-competition-package-2014-review#ixzz3N9EpXPMo

-->> http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/bmw/5-series/84969/bmw-m5-competition-package-2014-review
 
CTS for me if I had to pick. After BMW piped fake exhaust note thru the audio system, the M5 will be forever dead to me.
 
The M5 CP is where the normal M5 should have been in the first place.
Most reviews say the regular M5 is heavy with dull dynamics compared to the competition and the previous version.

The RS6 and E63 are both heavier and duller.
I love how you managed to find a couple of texts supporting this narrow minded vision, though.

Cadillac is no competition. it's a local American brand, completely insignificant.
 
The Cadi is getting less and less ugly with every generation. But it is so far from being attractive, still.

Needless to say I go for the M5. The 30 yahre M5 is the best option in the segment IMO.
 
The M5 CP is where the normal M5 should have been in the first place.
Most reviews say the regular M5 is heavy with dull dynamics compared to the competition and the previous version.

The CP is a little better but the reviews have not been that great.

I believe it`s safe to say the new CTS-V will annihilate the regular M5 and the rest of it`s competitors.
It`s going to be close with the CP package M5.

Yep, I think no one will deny this marked drawback on M5. I drove current M5 on track, as you said, mass weight can be easily felt almost everywhere, it behaves much less agile than M3/M4, but the reality is the true performance of M5 is still quite impressive, especially for M5 CP which brings lots of improvement in different aspects. Yes, maybe Competition package is still not enough to completely offset the overweight, I'd also have no surprise if CTS-V can really beat M5 on either road or track, but again, I believe it will not be a big gap. To be honest, F10 M5 might be not very successful generation, but that's also why I'm so much looking forward to next generation M5 with lightweight construction and rumored AWD system, with these 2 weapons, new M5 will definitely take back the again.
 
The RS6 and E63 are both heavier and duller.
I love how you managed to find a couple of texts supporting this narrow minded vision, though.
Cadillac is no competition. it's a local American brand, completely insignificant.


Dislike right back at ya buddy.

typical klier reaction, lol.

The weight issue is present in all the hi-performance German sedans. Isolation and lack of communication is where regular M5 falls short compared to the competition.
That was the point in the reviews.

Condescending remark about Cadillac being a “local brand”
Lets not forget, a “local brand” hill Billy
Chevrolet Camero Z28 beat out the BMW M4 and a number of world cars in a best- driver shootout contest by Motor Trend not too long ago. It was noted as having excellent neutral characteristic, even the shift action was best.

I love the German hi- performance sedans to (BMW included) but thay have become too focused on luxury and technology software to enhance performance. These technology enhancers seems to come with extra weight and a “learning curve” cost on the track. This is where the natural communication and confidence is lost it seems.

GM is using software to but the performance upgrades is mainly hardware mechanics
and how that hardward is implemented to enhance performance. This is going to be the difference between the CTS-V and the M5.
 
So I am going to post these 2 articles from Car and Driver for the sake of providing some perspective...

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-cadillac-cts-vsport-twin-turbo-v-6-test-review
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2011-bmw-550i-instrumented-test

C&D, historically, has had the automotive equivalent of a hard-on for BMW for many, many, many years despite being an American publication. Only recently have things between them and BMW have become, shall we say, slightly flaccid. Their new darling of their eye has been Audi in the last 2-3 years. I'll venture that there's some 'Merican bias, but the car better be damn good to sway their hearts to say all those nice things about Cadillac. The folks in Caddy and their V division have their work cut out for them. And there are improvements that need to be made, especially in the interior from what my eyes can tell. But based on their recent efforts with the CTS and ATS, I think it will be up to task in keeping up with the M5, E63, and RS6, if, that is, they don't exceed it.

Also there may be some argument in regarding the supercharged pushrod from the Z06 as being somewhat inferior. But for an engine with such compact dimensions to produce the output it yields, it's hard to argue with the results.
 
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