5 Series BMW 5 Series GT (aka PAS) - spy pics & info

[klier]

Re: BMW V-series / F-series (V5/F5 & V3/F3)

True, but Mercedes botched it somewhere along the line. Really botched it. The original concept had merit, but what showed up at the dealerships was barely related IMO. BMW is though, doing just what many have said Mercedes was wrong for doing, putting a BMW in every garage. BMW doesn't need this vehicle or that rumored X1 SUV or any more crossovers IMO. Now Eni will give you business case as to why these vehicles are needed, and from that standpoint they make sense, but from where enthusiasts sit BMW has enough non-car products already.

M

Please!!!! Enhusiasts must be having a hard time at Mercedes then, cause the only normal cars they make are the: C-class, E-Class and S-class, the rest can be called niche (and that is around 10 more model lines at MB!!!)
Silly. I think the F5 will be a very welcome addition to the line-up, just like the X6. This car will be very far from a van, in terms of driving characteristics and appearance. The biggest problem of the R-class would be those two points.

 

[coolraoul]

Re: BMW F5 LuxurySportsCruiser - first spy pics!!!

Nice move BMW.

Next episode: the Sprinter by BMW.
Not a van or a truck, but a "SARTUHFBNILN", don't have the meaning of this yet, but of course it is noway a simple Sprinter thanks to its complex name.

Of course it will be much better than the Mercedes Sprinter, wonderful "complicated and torturated" design (no, no, flame surfacing like a fire on the car that sculpts the design... I know), very fun to drive because it will be 2mm less high and it makes all the difference... And BMW magical skill also.

And it will be fully in accordance with the BMW's philosophy. Of course. Cause BMW is perfect and can do nothing wrong.

(I exaggerate of course)

No offense

 

[EnI]

Re: BMW V-series / F-series (V5/F5 & V3/F3)

So, spy pics are finally here. Just like promised : after X6 prototypes appearence (now I know that meant "after Concept X6 premiere" ).

Look like it will be an over-grown MPV-ish Mercedes CLS wannabe.

Like I said many times: F5 will be kind a "giant hatch/coupe", "raised sedan with a backpack", "coupe version of 5er Touring" , "5dr shooting brake on steroids".



So, I hope this spy pics will shut up the guys who were convinced F5 would be R-class kind a vehicle = kind-a-van.


Btw, regarding F5 & BMW most things were already said in this thread: http://www.germancarforum.com/new-bmw-models-vehicles/14599-bmw-v-series-f-series-v5-f5-v3-f3.html

So I'm not going to repeat myself too much. Go there & see my & Scott's posts.

Btw, here & again - dr Draegers (BMW development chief) on F5:

Then, here is one product there has been quite a lot of speculation about. It is what we call the LSC, luxury sports cruiser. With that product we will have something that will be in terms of design lines closer probably towards the formality of a sedan. We are talking about travel in style, on the one side, but it will have also the BMW typical agility and the BMW typical dynamics. And then it, of course, it will have also the functionality. It will arrive before 2010.

 

[klier]

Re: BMW F5 LuxurySportsCruiser - first spy pics!!!

Nice move BMW.

Next episode: the Sprinter by BMW.
Not a van or a truck, but a "SARTUHFBNILN", don't have the meaning of this yet, but of course it is noway a simple Sprinter thanks to its complex name.

Of course it will be much better than the Mercedes Sprinter, wonderful "complicated and torturated" design (no, no, flame surfacing like a fire on the car that sculpts the design... I know), very fun to drive because it will be 2mm less high and it makes all the difference... And BMW magical skill also.

And it will be fully in accordance with the BMW's philosophy. Of course. Cause BMW is perfect and can do nothing wrong.

(I exaggerate of course)

No offense

Not quite funny. We are trying to discuss a brand new BMW model here, from which we have seen the first spy shots just now.

Can a mod please delete these two posts. they don't help the thread one bit.

 

[Centurion]

Re: BMW V-series / F-series (V5/F5 & V3/F3)

Like I said many times: F5 will be kind a "giant hatch/coupe", "raised sedan with a backpack", "coupe version of 5er Touring" , "5dr shooting brake on steroids".

So, I hope this spy pics will shut up the guys who were convinced F5 would be R-class kind a vehicle = kind-a-van.

Still I don't get this car. Sure the whole coupe-trend is hot like we have seen with the CLS and the X6. But creating a hatch/coupe-ish van is a bit pointless. Especially when the number one reason to buy a van is for boot space.

IMO the shape of the rear makes the car a little useless. This car feels equally as pointless like MB keeping both the A and B-class.

What about functionality. Is BMW in the future going to only be about sport, performance and sloping roof line and non-conventional rears?

 

[coolraoul]

Re: BMW F5 LuxurySportsCruiser - first spy pics!!!

Hey don't take it that serious!

Don't like it, don't like it that's all.

Can't see what it does in the BMW line-up. A van is not a BMW, for me, I think it is a bad idea.
Vans are about cruising, without being aggressive like a suv, a a bit more vast than a station-wagon.

For me van is the contrary of sport.

Such an expensive van does not evoke driving pleasure or cornering speed, but gentle cruising in all-comfort like a R-Class.

The R-Class had sense in the Benz line-up, but lacks the charism of a suv.
This car, for me, has no place in the BMW line-up.

Some said, a diesel has no place in a BMW. Now in Europe BMW sells much more diesels than petro cars. But it had an obvious economy advantage. So it was logical.

Some said, a SUV can't be a BMW. But it was logical to go into the American market where SUV are the common vehicule. So it made sense.

The X6, well, it is a beautiful product, evokes sport...

This F5, really don't see the point.

 

[bmer]

Re: BMW F5 LuxurySportsCruiser - first spy pics!!!

Oh c'mon, klier! I found it funny. I'm not totally sure about this ambitious model range expansion either.

 

[EMpower]

Re: BMW V-series / F-series (V5/F5 & V3/F3)

AMS published pics of RFK, E93 3er cabrio & F01 7er.

Here is the leaked RFK pic that was published in AMS:

Another pic by Huckfeldt

 

[EnI]

Re: BMW F5 LuxurySportsCruiser - first spy pics!!!

Hey don't take it that serious!

Don't like it, don't like it that's all.

Can't see what it does in the BMW line-up. A van is not a BMW, for me, I think it is a bad idea.
Vans are about cruising, without being aggressive like a suv, a a bit more vast than a station-wagon.

For me van is the contrary of sport.

Such an expensive van does not evoke driving pleasure or cornering speed, but gentle cruising in all-comfort like a R-Class.

The R-Class had sense in the Benz line-up, but lacks the charism of a suv.
This car, for me, has no place in the BMW line-up.

Some said, a diesel has no place in a BMW. Now in Europe BMW sells much more diesels than petro cars. But it had an obvious economy advantage. So it was logical.

Some said, a SUV can't be a BMW. But it was logical to go into the American market where SUV are the common vehicule. So it made sense.

The X6, well, it is a beautiful product, evokes sport...

This F5, really don't see the point.

1. Have you driven the car already? I assume the answer is no. So, please restrain by making comments F5 can't evoke driving pleasure & be able of sporty driving dynamics.

2. "Such an expensive van does not evoke driving pleasure or cornering speed, but gentle cruising in all-comfort" By this analogy anything larger then eg. 3er is not able to evoke driving pleasure or cornering speed. Incl. 5er (+Touring), 6er, 7er & X5, and even X6. So, following this argument large (and more luxury oriented) BMWs are redundant (since they can not deliver "true" BMW experience - like eg. 3er, or now 1er do).

3. I really do not understand people who dare to link BMW to a certain technology & certain type / shape of a vehicle. BMW are not about particular tech & shape. They are about same values as ever before - and such values can be achieved by different tech & in different segments - with different shapes. Otherwise BMW culd be reduced to a ultra-sporty coupe - and any other model would be "not having enough BMW spirit".

4. Market trends are changing. Because some particular model does not make sense to you that does not mean that's the case for the targeted population. Mind that many market & trend researches are done before a specific model gets green line: including image perception of such car within BMW model line. X6 & F5 (and all the other upcoming models) have some strong rational reasoning behind. Trust me, BMW know what they are doing. Even MB got the market needs right - but they blew it a bit by offering a bit too much utilitarian van-like vehicle (R-class) in stead of something more exclusive in shape.

5. F5 just like X6 is a niche vehicle - addressing needs of a specific customer base. But such base is growing with every day. Eg. X6 is targeting people who want high sitting position, sporty performance, but do not care about space much - and also want sporty & dynamic styling. So, F5 targets a specific group who want all the advantages of a luxury sedan but more passenger space & versatility - and do not like too high sitting position & gigantic appearance of an SUV, and also find wagons not spacious enough for the passengers.

 

[S'Pimp]

Re: BMW V-series / F-series (V5/F5 & V3/F3)

What is the internal name of this product?

F 07

 

[Ralfd]

Re: BMW F5 LuxurySportsCruiser - first spy pics!!!

Scott / Eni,

is this F5 sharing the platform with any current or future model...like the next 5 series or 7 series ..Because its probably considered a niche model it should share max possible components with some existing or planned models.

Any info on its general size (longer & wider & higher than current 5 I guess) ?

Thanks

 

[Deleted member 25]

Re: BMW F5 LuxurySportsCruiser - first spy pics!!!

I think it shares the plateform of the next 5/7 er.

 

[Centurion]

Re: BMW F5 LuxurySportsCruiser - first spy pics!!!

Will there be an F3?

 

[coolraoul]

Re: BMW F5 LuxurySportsCruiser - first spy pics!!!

I still am convinced that this kind of car could dilute the sporty image of BMW, whereas Audi is pedal to the metal into the sport market. It could harm the image of BMW as the most sporty of the three, ans Audi could take this occasion to play that role.

Even if BMW reamins the real sporty, rear wheel drive, M and also, there are less and less "conventionnal" sporty-oriented cars in their line-up, and this van-family won't settle this.

Whereas Audi has no vans; the R8, the S5 perceived as very sporty... The RS6 and its insane power...

See what I mean?

 

[Deleted member 25]

Re: BMW F5 LuxurySportsCruiser - first spy pics!!!

Although scott said the first autobild chop is very accurate, i think that this is one the real thing.

 

[PanterroR]

Re: BMW F5 LuxurySportsCruiser - first spy pics!!!

Although scott said the first autobild chop is very accurate, i think that this is one the real thing.

I don't talk to you anymore.

In fact i don't even want to talk about that Lame Shitty Car...

 

[Deleted member 25]

Re: BMW F5 LuxurySportsCruiser - first spy pics!!!

I don't talk to you anymore.

In fact i don't even want to talk about that Lame Shitty Car...

Indeed it's really ugly, very RENAULTly Ugly, but look to the roof line and to the end of the side profile, the LSC chop is more accurate than the RFK chop.

 

[EnI]

Re: BMW F5 LuxurySportsCruiser - first spy pics!!!

I still am convinced that this kind of car could dilute the sporty image of BMW, whereas Audi is pedal to the metal into the sport market. It could harm the image of BMW as the most sporty of the three, ans Audi could take this occasion to play that role.

Even if BMW reamins the real sporty, rear wheel drive, M and also, there are less and less "conventionnal" sporty-oriented cars in their line-up, and this van-family won't settle this.

Whereas Audi has no vans; the R8, the S5 perceived as very sporty... The RS6 and its insane power...

See what I mean?

BS

Mercedes-Benz also produce cargo vans, light & heavy truck, buses. Even special vehicles like garbage trucks, vehicles for police, ambulance, firefighters etc.

Even more: all these vehicles are branded Mercedes-Benz, and wearing MB logo / badge.

And this fact do not affect MB image as a luxury car maker at all.



Eg. A-class & B-class also haven't affected MB image in any case.

Neither did Cayenne Porsche's image.

Btw, a sports car in portfolio does not bring you "sporty" image. Ask Toyota, Opel, Nissan, Hyundai etc.

Be sure F5 will deliver a superb driving dynamics - very BMW like. Best in segment for sure.

Also: You seem to be full of prejudices: being convinced that "unconventional" cars (cross-overs like SportsCruisers, SACs, Coupe-Sedans) can't be sporty, and the only true sporty cars are the conventional sports cars like coupes, roadsters, and supercars. Like I said: the market trends are changing.

And, btw: do not exclude BMW too quickly - even in "conventional" segments. 1er coupe is already here. Z2 roadster is coming. And Z8 roadster as well. Both possibly with coupe derivates as well. 8er 4dr coupe (or Coupe-Sedan)on the way. And many new M versions, not to mention new CSL editions.

 

[Ralfd]

Re: BMW V-series / F-series (V5/F5 & V3/F3)

This is what Scott said :

If you look closely you can see the identity of the RFK as seen through the leaked pictures some time ago. As you already know it was these leaked RFK images that really pissed off BMW most of all because for the Board of directors this creation was love @ first sight.

Now do you believe that anyone would fall in love at first sight with this ....thing

I am sure the other Huckfeldt is much closer

 

[Deleted member 25]

Re: BMW V-series / F-series (V5/F5 & V3/F3)

This is what Scott said :





Now do you believe that anyone would fall in love at first sight with this ....thing

I am sure the other Huckfeldt is much closer

They already felt in love with the X3...