5 Series BMW 5 Series GT (aka PAS) - spy pics & info

[Sayyaaf]

Re: BMW F5 LuxurySportsCruiser - first spy pics!!!

I tried to compare recent F01 spyshots with the F5 spyshots to get an idea of its size...I 'calbrated' both pictures by the wheel size...Its surely ot 100% correct but I did it anyway :
In my opinon it seems that the F01 and the F5 share the same wheelbase and probably even more ..the camo of the front is almost identical, I think its even possible they are identical up to the B-pillar.

If I am correct, it would make more sense to me than an F5 based on the current or next 5 as explained above (no additional space in comparison to 5 Touring)

In this case the F5 would be a derivate of the F01 , a 7 series hatchback ...that you could really call LuxurySportCruiser

This would also help economically , because in essence it would add volume to the 7 series...

What do you think, or am I off completely here....

Exactly my thoughts when I first saw the spy pics .. it looked like the 7er mules with the same proportions .. thanks for the illustrations

 

[S'Pimp]

Re: BMW F5 LuxurySportsCruiser - first spy pics!!!

Hey Eni (and others)... I just drew up these lines fairly quickly. Overall, is it close?

Which lines are incorrect, and which lines are on-the-money (or close to it)? ...I'm just curious

2 much overhang on the back!

more like this!

 

[RICHBOY]

Re: BMW V-series / F-series (V5/F5 & V3/F3)

Spy Shots: Munich goes after another niche - BMW V5

http://www.autoblog.com/category/bmw/
Hot on the heels of the BMW X6 introduction at the Frankfurt Motor Show last week comes word of a yet another variation from Munich. The V5 is not a new engine configuration, it's a new body style for BMW. Looking like a pretty standard five door hatchback, the rear roofline is higher than the more coupe-like X6, allowing for more headroom.

The V5 is thought to be built on the same platform as both the X5 and X6, which means that it will probably by built alongside the X models in South Carolina. CAR is reporting that the new machine is targeted at the US market, which would be an odd choice by BMW. Unlike Europe, Americans have never really taken to hatchback styles -- especially in premium segments.

 

[EnI]

Re: BMW F5 LuxurySportsCruiser - first spy pics!!!

I tried to compare recent F01 spyshots with the F5 spyshots to get an idea of its size...I 'calbrated' both pictures by the wheel size...Its surely ot 100% correct but I did it anyway :
In my opinon it seems that the F01 and the F5 share the same wheelbase and probably even more ..the camo of the front is almost identical, I think its even possible they are identical up to the B-pillar.

If I am correct, it would make more sense to me than an F5 based on the current or next 5 as explained above (no additional space in comparison to 5 Touring)

In this case the F5 would be a derivate of the F01 , a 7 series hatchback ...that you could really call LuxurySportCruiser

This would also help economically , because in essence it would add volume to the 7 series...

What do you think, or am I off completely here....

According to my info all future 5er, 6er, 7er, F5, Z8 & 8er will all be based on same modular "large cars" platform (Platform L1).
1er, Z2, 3er, F3, Z4 will be based on same modular "small cars" platform (Platform L2).
Future X-series (X5, X6, X3, X4) will be based on modular "X" platform (Platform L4).
Mini cars will be based on modular Platform L3 (unless there will be joint-venture with MB).
All new Rolls-Royce cars will share modular L5 platform.

F5 will be positioned closer to 5-series. Image & price wise.

 

[klier]

Re: BMW F5 LuxurySportsCruiser - first spy pics!!!

What do you think, or am I off completely here....

I think you're completely (!!) off. In the pic you posted, you can see without a problem that the hood is much longer on the 7er, the front window is more high up on the LSC and overall it's just different

Good thinking though I liked your theory

 

[Merc1]

Re: BMW V-series / F-series (V5/F5 & V3/F3)

Please!!!! Enhusiasts must be having a hard time at Mercedes then, cause the only normal cars they make are the: C-class, E-Class and S-class, the rest can be called niche (and that is around 10 more model lines at MB!!!)
Silly. I think the F5 will be a very welcome addition to the line-up, just like the X6. This car will be very far from a van, in terms of driving characteristics and appearance. The biggest problem of the R-class would be those two points.

Wrong. Mercedes didn't build its rep on being the ultimate driving machine and they've always been the more utilitarian brand or the German 3.

M

 

[Merc1]

Re: BMW F5 LuxurySportsCruiser - first spy pics!!!

Exactly.... and the way i see it is if BMW continues to increase sales and subsequently profit... the core BMW products are only going to get better and better... after all BMW is a company thats trying to make money for shareholders... i think we forget that sometimes.... and i think this has potential to be extremely cool.... not an out and out BMW machine so to speak.. but there are guys out there with families and kids and dogs and groceries to pick up for the wife that might not want an SUV and want more space then a normal estate verision, and they still really want a BMW because just like us they are brand orientated.... this is the perfect car for them... thats just my 2 cents worth

Sorry, but this is nothing more than a grand excuse IMO. First the X6 and now this. There is no way that buyers needs factor into this. BMW has the X3, X5 and a the 5-Series Touring to do all those things. It is just a monkey-see, monkey-do move on the part of BMW. Whether or not it looks like an R-Class or not it is trying to serve the same purpose and market, i.e. people who don't want a station wagon or a SUV. This is the same exact thing and no amount marketing speel from Eni can change this. Just like Mercedes this a vehicle like this is being made up for a largely dreamed up demographic as there will be very few takers. When you start giving passes saying that such a vehicle isn't an "out and out BMW" BMW has lost the plot and begun a dangerous drop into niche filling that only for the sake of doing so, which is the very same things so many here said that Mercedes had lost itself in doing.

Also if this thing is based on a mix of 5/7-Series parts it is going to be expensive just like the R-Class was upon its release. Such a person as you describe as just wanting a BMW because they are brand oriented would be much better off in a number of Japanese crossovers IMO. Much less cost and just as, and probably more practical.

M

 

[SDNR]

Re: BMW F5 LuxurySportsCruiser - first spy pics!!!

The car looks closer to Panamera than anything else - not sure if that is good or bad.

The Panamera looks a lot better to me.

 

[Sunny]

Re: BMW F5 LuxurySportsCruiser - first spy pics!!!

The Panamera looks a lot better to me.

At this point both look pretty crap to me .

 

[Anisc]

Re: BMW F5 LuxurySportsCruiser - first spy pics!!!

so is this the ultimate driving MPV ?

 

[EnI]

Re: BMW F5 LuxurySportsCruiser - first spy pics!!!

so is this the ultimate driving MPV ?

More like ultimate driving 7er Fastback.

I got a hint this morning in my mailbox.

F = Fastback.

Also I was told not to be so sure this vehicle will feature number "5" in its name. And that it will be larger than F11 5er Touring. So, more like 7er Fastback.

Hm ... F6?

Perhaps it makes more sense - since BMW have registered names from F2 to F9. So - not F1: for obvious reason. Meaning that 1er based fastback is sentenced to wear F2 badge. Also the even number in the name indicates sporty & coupe-ish nature.

 

[Merc1]

Re: BMW F5 LuxurySportsCruiser - first spy pics!!!



The disguise says BMW but what on earth is it?

Details are still sparse but this is BMW’s next niche-filling model, codenamed V5. And while blue-and-white-propeller officials might not like you calling it a people carrier, that’s what it is. But not as you know it…

With Mercedes’ R-class not selling especially well, BMW has gone for a different look. Rather than a luxurious raised-estate body the V5 is more of a slimmed-down X5. An unveiling is scheduled for the Frankfurt Motor Show in 2009.

But it looks a lot like an X6…

It does indeed - it appears BMW is going all out to make people carriers stylish. That's why the more utilitarian and boxy V3 is thought to have been cancelled. Thus the V5 has an X6-esque rear that will limit this car to five seats. And our sources suggest that the fifth seat will be for occasional use at best.

But the roofline isn’t as steep as the X6’s and there will still be ample headroom inside. Our pictures also reveal there will be lots of legroom for the rear passengers. Only luggage space will be slightly compromised by that steep rear but there is some practicality: the large rear boot will have an opening glass hatch.

What else should I know?

Underneath it has the X5 and X6 platform, so four-wheel drive will be standard. The V5 is about the same length and width as an X5 but it’s over 200mm lower.

Intriguingly the rear disguise shows there’s room for four exhausts but at launch the V5 will come with 3.0-litre petrol and diesel engines, and a 4.8-litre V8. Production is tipped to be at BMW’s Spartanburg plant in the USA, as this car is primarily aimed for America.

BMW V5 - Secret New Cars - Carmagazine.co.uk

M

 

[klier]

Re: BMW V-series / F-series (V5/F5 & V3/F3)

Wrong. Mercedes didn't build its rep on being the ultimate driving machine and they've always been the more utilitarian brand or the German 3.

M

Nah, I am not wrong.

Where exactly did I say MB built it's rep on being the ultimate driving machine? Nowhere. I just said Mercedes has a million more niche models than BMW. And I will add now that most Mercedes niche models drive like crap, and the ones BMW makes will have best in class driving dynamics, making them The Ultimate Driving Machine.

Grasp this: You can make niche models that DO put a smile on your face.
I's mostly Mercedes who makes it's niche cars drive....not so good.
Or, is BMW supposed to only make ultra lightweight CSL style production cars from now on? That would really make them the ultimate driving machine.

 

[Ralfd]

Re: BMW F5 LuxurySportsCruiser - first spy pics!!!

According to my info all future 5er, 6er, 7er, F5, Z8 & 8er will all be based on same modular "large cars" platform (Platform L1).
1er, Z2, 3er, F3, Z4 will be based on same modular "small cars" platform (Platform L2).
Future X-series (X5, X6, X3, X4) will be based on modular "X" platform (Platform L4).
Mini cars will be based on modular Platform L3 (unless there will be joint-venture with MB).
All new Rolls-Royce cars will share modular L5 platform.

F5 will be positioned closer to 5-series. Image & price wise.

Hi Eni,

does that mean that the 'rumored' Baby RR will not share its platform with the upcoming F01/02 ?

 

[Merc1]

Re: BMW V-series / F-series (V5/F5 & V3/F3)

Nah, I am not wrong.

Where exactly did I say MB built it's rep on being the ultimate driving machine? Nowhere. I just said Mercedes has a million more niche models than BMW. And I will add now that most Mercedes niche models drive like crap, and the ones BMW makes will have best in class driving dynamics, making them The Ultimate Driving Machine.

Grasp this: You can make niche models that DO put a smile on your face.
I's mostly Mercedes who makes it's niche cars drive....not so good.
Or, is BMW supposed to only make ultra lightweight CSL style production cars from now on? That would really make them the ultimate driving machine.

Not only are you wrong , but you're confused also. I didn't say you said anything. My point was that Mercedes has always made a jillion things and how they drive wasn't the only thing Mercedes was built on. BMW on the other hand was built based on what how they drive, handle, perform etc. Keep believing thing anything BMW slaps their name on is the ulitmate driving machine and that Mercedes niche models drive like crap - clueless nonsense at best. BMW makes a SUV and it surely isn't the best drive in the class, not even.

M

 

[klier]

Re: BMW V-series / F-series (V5/F5 & V3/F3)

Not only are you wrong , but you're confused also. I didn't say you said anything. My point was that Mercedes has always made a jillion things and how they drive wasn't the only thing Mercedes was built on. BMW on the other hand was built based on what how they drive, handle, perform etc. Keep believing thing anything BMW slaps their name on is the ulitmate driving machine and that Mercedes niche models drive like crap - clueless nonsense at best. BMW makes a SUV and it surely isn't the best drive in the class, not even.

M

Again, I am not wrong. Confused maybe, but that's a different thing.

With Ultimate Driving Machine, I think it's in it's class. Clearly you cannot compare the driving characteristics of a 5er Touring with those of a Z4 coupe. But both can be considered ultimate driving machine in their own class when they wear the M badge.
Same will be the case with this new car: People who now buy a Renault Espace, VW Sharan, BMW 5er touring or Mercedes R class can now buy the LSC too

But, The Ultimate Driving Machine is just a slogan, nothing more (the best in the industry though, in my humble opinion )

And what SUV drives better than the X5 in it's class if I may ask?????

 

[Merc1]

Re: BMW V-series / F-series (V5/F5 & V3/F3)

And what SUV drives better than the X5 in it's class if I may ask?????

A Porsche Cayenne, easily.

Again, you've lost the plot on what my original point was. Since you keep on bringing up this about BMW being the end-all of a segment when it comes to driving.....BMW making a minivan or van-like thing or a wagon to be the ultimate driving machine in a class of vehicle not known for such things is 1. silly, 2. not much of an accomplishment when no one else is even trying to make such a thing sporty. Especially in the U.S. where such a vehicle is supposed to play. Soccer moms don't have a clue about vehicle dynamics.

M

 

[Nikos120i]

Re: BMW V-series / F-series (V5/F5 & V3/F3)

This reminds me of a drawing by Auto Motor und Sport looong time ago of a 3er hatch...it was called a Shooting Brake I think. It was a 3er...with a different face...and a rear hatch...and it was a 5dr also. That was after the 1er launch...

Anybody have any idea what I'm talking about?

 

[bmer]

Re: BMW F5 LuxurySportsCruiser - first spy pics!!!

I got a hint this morning in my mailbox.

F = Fastback

So all the new F-generation models will be fastbacks? F01, F10 etc. Great idea!

j/k

 

[E38_E30]

Re: BMW V-series / F-series (V5/F5 & V3/F3)

This reminds me of a drawing by Auto Motor und Sport looong time ago of a 3er hatch...it was called a Shooting Brake I think. It was a 3er...with a different face...and a rear hatch...and it was a 5dr also. That was after the 1er launch...

Anybody have any idea what I'm talking about?

Jipp





And right after Shanghai, Schulte decided to do a new sketch of the shootingbrake, because every BMW to come has to be like CS Concept Can't see anymore of these cs-inspired CGIs!