BMW 1-Series E87 [Potential] Transmission Issue? Help!


cawimmer430

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Hey guys,

I need some technical advice of what could potentially be wrong with my car,a 2007 BMW 118i E87 5-Door. I am hoping it's nothing serious.

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Here's the problem. For a few weeks now my transmission (the ZF 6-speed automatic) has been acting weird - but only when the engine is cold. This never happened before when the engine was cold. The issue only shows up after a cold start and usually when accelerating from a standstill (at traffic lights) and sometimes while creeping at low speeds. I'll describe the problem as best as possible below.


Basically I'll start the car and head out of the city. All is fine until I reach the first traffic light. I keep the transmission in D and my foot on the brake, and when the light turns green I will gently press the accelerator and this is where the problem starts. I can feel the engine generating power but the transmission seems to have trouble transferring the power to the drive wheels. The car will move but the engine feels as if it's about to stall (it does not, though). There's a noticeable power delivery delay. If I am gentle on the gas the problem does not appear nine out of ten times. But if I am too hard on the gas when accelerating the engine sometimes feels as if it's about to stall (some slight engine stuttering is noticeable). This whole engine stutter process takes about two seconds and then disappears at the same time when it feels as if the transmission has finally managed to transfer the power to the rear wheels. This is a really unnerving feeling. I'm worried about eventually breaking down somewhere due to an engine or transmission (?) issue.

Now here's the weird part. As soon as the engine has reached its optimal operating temperature this problem pretty much disappears! Once the engine is warm I could be at a standstill in the city and accelerate either gently or hard without this problem showing up.

And this is why I am confused as to what the root problem could be. Is it an engine or transmission issue? Does it have something to do with hydraulic or transmission fluid? Is it a worn clutch? Or is it a software issue? Again, once the engine is warm this problem doesn't show up. On the highway or when I perform a kick-down there is no problem - the transmission works fine without any shift or power delays.

Does anyone have a suggestion as to what the problem could be? Has anyone experienced something similar? Unfortunately I cannot take a video of the problem because this is something that only the driver can only feel when at the controls of the car.


I've already been to the local BMW dealer in Munich and they claimed to have "fixed" my car (free of charge by the way) by claiming that the problem was my transmission and it simply needed a "software update" - well that didn't fix the problem. Before I bring the car to them again I want to at least give arm myself with ideas of what the problem could be. Thank you for your help! :)
 
I am familiar with frequent timing chain and ignition coil issues regarding your particular model of car. Is your car an "Efficient Dynamics" model ? If so, could the lean injection operation (Schichtladebetrieb) be the possible culprit ?

Just a wild guess.
 
I am familiar with frequent timing chain and ignition coil issues regarding your particular model of car. Is your car an "Efficient Dynamics" model ? If so, could the lean injection operation (Schichtladebetrieb) be the possible culprit ?

Just a wild guess.

Indeed, the 4-cylinder gasoline models are plagued by timing chain, ignition coil and injector issues. I've had several ignition coil and injector issues early on (all under 40,000 km) but thankfully no timing chain problems.

On a German BMW 1-Series forum some of the 116i, 118i and 120i drivers had timing chain issues at around 70,000 km. I'm currently at 200,000 km+ and never had any issues with the timing chain. To my knowledge it's not the timing chain per se but the Steuerkettenspanner (timing chain tensioner) which fails.

My car is not an Efficient Dynamic model. That wasn't available for the E87 with automatic transmission at the time and I'm personally not a fan of Start-Stop technology. I view it as an extra wear-and-tear issue that will eventually cause problems.

Thanks for the ideas! :)
 
If it's anything to do with fuel or air I'd have thought that the dealer would have pulled some fault codes from the ECU - especially if they are talking about software updates. I take it they didn't report any?
 
If it's anything to do with fuel or air I'd have thought that the dealer would have pulled some fault codes from the ECU - especially if they are talking about software updates. I take it they didn't report any?

The last time I brought it to the dealer the car stayed there overnight. The next day I get a call and they told me I can pick up my car and that the problem is fixed - the transmission needed a software update (their words). There was no paperwork involved because they didn’t charge anything, and I was just happy to have my car back because I needed it later in the day to meet with a client.

Initially the “transmission issue” was gone for a few weeks, but it’s recently returned. I just can’t believe that another software update may be needed...

Today when I started up the car the cold engine stuttered for a second and then went back to normal as I engaged the gear lever into R, and later as I was creeping through the city the “transmission issue” never showed up. It’s totally weird what’s going on, but I am a little worried that this could be some hidden issue somewhere which will eventually turn into a big one...
 
The last time I brought it to the dealer the car stayed there overnight. The next day I get a call and they told me I can pick up my car and that the problem is fixed - the transmission needed a software update (their words). There was no paperwork involved because they didn’t charge anything, and I was just happy to have my car back because I needed it later in the day to meet with a client.

Initially the “transmission issue” was gone for a few weeks, but it’s recently returned. I just can’t believe that another software update may be needed...

Today when I started up the car the cold engine stuttered for a second and then went back to normal as I engaged the gear lever into R, and later as I was creeping through the city the “transmission issue” never showed up. It’s totally weird what’s going on, but I am a little worried that this could be some hidden issue somewhere which will eventually turn into a big one...

You could try these methods for seeing if there's an obvious fault code logged... I've never tried them in my E87 so I don't know if they are fully implemented or not.

EndTuning - BMW Check Control CCID Codes
BMW CC-ID codes fault and warning messages - mr-fix.info

This might check the obvious stuff.

Are you sure the the engine is revving freely when it's in Neutral?
 
Put the transmission in manual mode and when still cold drive off in 2nd gear and after that in 3rd gear and see if the problem persists also in these gears when taking off.
 
You could try these methods for seeing if there's an obvious fault code logged... I've never tried them in my E87 so I don't know if they are fully implemented or not.

EndTuning - BMW Check Control CCID Codes
BMW CC-ID codes fault and warning messages - mr-fix.info

This might check the obvious stuff.

Are you sure the the engine is revving freely when it's in Neutral?

I will check that out. The guy who stores my winter/summer tires is also a former BMW mechanic - but on the models from the 50s to the early 90s. I’m gonna see him next week and I’ll ask his input and hopefully he can help me out.

The engine revving is completely normal. There is no under or over RPM in neutral. A handful of times when I start the cold engine it stutters for a second, then everything is normal. Could this be a symptom of another imminent ignition coil or injector issue? The last time those got replaced was in December 2017!
 
Put the transmission in manual mode and when still cold drive off in 2nd gear and after that in 3rd gear and see if the problem persists also in these gears when taking off.

I’m gonna try that right now, have to head off somewhere. Will report back! Thanks!
 
UPDATE!

The car was fine yesterday. Engine started without problems and transmission didn’t give me anything to worry about.

This morning I had to drive to Fichtelberg, a 600 km round trip which involved 90% Autobahn driving. Being the speed freak that I am I was at 200 km/h for most of the trip (still have my winter tires on, limited to 210 km/h). The car was flawless. No engine or transmission issues. Just the fuel consumption was a bit high.... I wonder why! :D

I’m starting to think maybe it’s a software issue which randomly occurs at low creeping city speeds when the engine is cold. Either that or maybe it’s... the transmission fluid? I don’t know, I am not an engineer or a mechanic. If any more symptoms show up I’ll mention them in here. Thanks for all the help and advice. :)
 
UPDATE # 2!

150 km trip today, no problems with the transmission or engine. WEIRD.

Maybe it was a software issue...?
 
Has it been warmer in your part of the world? I refuse to believe a software update is required at this stage in a cars life to keep it working properly.

When this problem popped up it was really cold (November) and the BMW dealer claimed the transmission needed a software update. That took me by surprise because I assumed the transmission was a standard non-complex torque-converter automatic that worked and shifted using the mechanical rotational energy produced by the engine without any software. Up until that point I thought my car was very "old fashioned"...

The last three days it's been very warm and almost summerly. No issues.

I'm going to talk with the guy who puts on my summer tires this week. He's a great mechanic although he's more familiar with pre-2000s cars, I am hoping he can at least give me some insight into what may be going on here.

Didn't drive the car today, but I did yesterday and everything was fine.
 
Summer tires were put back on today! The man who does this is an ex-BMW mechanic who learned his trade in the 1960s. He even goes as far as to remove excess dirt/rust(?) from the brake shoe (?) - you can see a before (then he cleans it) and then an after.

The rest of the snapshots show some detailed underside areas of the car, cardan shaft, fuel tank, rear suspension, aerodynamic frontal underside covering and such.

Regarding the transmission "issue", not much he could tell me given how this is literally a computerized transmission now. But the car gave no trouble on the way down here and back...

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Summer tires were put back on today! The man who does this is an ex-BMW mechanic who learned his trade in the 1960s. He even goes as far as to remove excess dirt/rust(?) from the brake shoe (?) - you can see a before (then he cleans it) and then an after.

The rest of the snapshots show some detailed underside areas of the car, cardan shaft, fuel tank, rear suspension, aerodynamic frontal underside covering and such.

Regarding the transmission "issue", not much he could tell me given how this is literally a computerized transmission now. But the car gave no trouble on the way down here and back...

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Your's looks in such better condition underneath than mine :D

How's the transmission doing?
 
I had an early 2004 120i. And mine actually stalled, warm or cold engine. Sometimes coming to a stop at the traffic light, it vibrates momentarily and then boom the engine stops. Never knew what the problem was, some suggested it was spark plugs but i doubt it. Then i rushed and sold it. Excellent car to drive though, with sports suspension it was like a go-kart.

More similar to your case is with a E90 330i, 2005 model which I had until last year. There was an occasion when I released the brakes and quickly step on the gas, it moved a bit and then it was like shake-shake, and then stalled. Damn embarrassing and i was worried the guy behind would hit me. After that time i never did these quick brake releases / gas again. And the transmission was pretty strange too, in steptronic mode it tends to shift down by itself. On a highway on 6th gear, and say i manually shift up to 5 or 4, a few seconds later it goes back to 6. Done software resets and checks etc which revealed no problem but it never fixed it.
 
Your's looks in such better condition underneath than mine :D

How's the transmission doing?

The irony is I only wash my car maybe thrice a year - after the winter, during the summer and before the winter. :D

The transmission is "behaving" so far. Yesterday at a light when I stepped on the gas the transmission (or clutch) felt like it was slipping in 1st gear. I was on the gas and the transmission was engaging but the car was slowly accelerating. Throughout these 2 seconds it felt like something down there was "slipping"...

I'm gonna drive the car until it fails. Maybe then I'll find out what the issue could be! :D
 
I had an early 2004 120i. And mine actually stalled, warm or cold engine. Sometimes coming to a stop at the traffic light, it vibrates momentarily and then boom the engine stops. Never knew what the problem was, some suggested it was spark plugs but i doubt it. Then i rushed and sold it. Excellent car to drive though, with sports suspension it was like a go-kart.

More similar to your case is with a E90 330i, 2005 model which I had until last year. There was an occasion when I released the brakes and quickly step on the gas, it moved a bit and then it was like shake-shake, and then stalled. Damn embarrassing and i was worried the guy behind would hit me. After that time i never did these quick brake releases / gas again. And the transmission was pretty strange too, in steptronic mode it tends to shift down by itself. On a highway on 6th gear, and say i manually shift up to 5 or 4, a few seconds later it goes back to 6. Done software resets and checks etc which revealed no problem but it never fixed it.

Interesting.

Yes, I've had the shake and vibrate issues a few times and it was due, according to the dealership, to faulty ignition coils. Once I was returning home from a job when in the city at low RPM the engine started vibrating heavily. I immediately suspected a broken ignition coil as it felt like the engine was running on 3 cylinders (or 3 and half...). I barely made it home, called BMW Service and they sent a technician over. And indeed, one of the ignition coils was broken (again).
 
Interesting.

Yes, I've had the shake and vibrate issues a few times and it was due, according to the dealership, to faulty ignition coils. Once I was returning home from a job when in the city at low RPM the engine started vibrating heavily. I immediately suspected a broken ignition coil as it felt like the engine was running on 3 cylinders (or 3 and half...). I barely made it home, called BMW Service and they sent a technician over. And indeed, one of the ignition coils was broken (again).

Good job getting home with a broken ignition coil. Had that happen to a Caddy of ours. This is the result. It would not do more than 10 km/h.
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Good job getting home with a broken ignition coil. Had that happen to a Caddy of ours. This is the result. It would not do more than 10 km/h.
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Happened to me once. My car broke down and had to be towed to the nearest BMW dealership. Two ignition coils and two injectors were kaputt. :D
 

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