Vs BEV vs Fuel Cell

[TheNewBATMAN]

Funny there is no combustion anywhere within both, but let's hear it from both sides of the fence, BEV vs Fuel Cell. Not just in the next year or two, but in the next decade.

I fight crimes at night but run business at daytime. Will affect where the Wayne Industries go next, whether buys Tesla (the company, not a car) or Shell.

Coke vs Pepsi and Milo vs Ovaltine are also welcomed, but with facts. Buy Nestle or Coca Cola, hmm.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Fuel cells need Platinum and it's rare and expensive, so I doubt a really mass production is possible.

 

[KiwiRob]

Current fuel cells only need a tiny amount of platinum; this reduces with each new generation fuel cell. The Mercedes fuel cell uses 6 grams, which is not a lot more than catalytic converters fitted to all internal combustion cars today, converters use between 3 & 5 grams per converter, so where is your problem? There are also companies are researching how to remove it from fuel cells altogether.

I'm convinced fuel cells will take over for larger vehicles, SUV's, trucks, large luxury sedans fuel, power boats, trains......... BEV's will remain but only for city cars or vehicles which travel in a small defined geographical locations like local delivery vans, buses and taxis.

 

[manuelf]

I think there two aspects to take into account:

Infrastructure
In-Vehicle Tech

In the long run I see advantages for fuel-cell in both areas:
Infrastructure:
Since all are going mad (at least in germany) with the topic of sustainable energy based on a mix of wind and photovoltaic energy - which are both not "base load capable" - one needs a tremendous amount of energy storage capacity, if you don't want to maintain the same capacity with conventional powerplants (gas, cole, nuclear, ...) as hot standby/backup. Basically no one can afford this backup as it drives energy costs in unseen heights.
Germany for instance (as many other countries) do NOT have effective storage capacity, which means typically pumped-storage power stations ....
Contrary to store produced electricity in battery cells, which is hilariously expensive, doing hydrogen electrolysis is efficient (and hydrogen can be stored)
... but the initial invest to build hydrogen fuel stations has to be done.

In-Vevicle (for medium and long range)
Fuel-cell is lighter
Fuel-cell does not need the enormous resources like Li-Ion battery tech! The environmental damage done by the current lithium mining is critically observed already. It is incredibly water intensive and people in latin america are already on the fence, where we have only few percent of vehicles world-wide using batteries!

 

[EnI]

At first FCEVs will be available in commercial vehicles mostly. Trucks, buses, cargo vans. For commercial (fleet) use. I don't see the tech being viable for passenger EVs initially . Perhaps, eventually, potentially for larger vehicles like pick-ups, big passenger vans, big SUVs, perhaps even for big sedans. It depends on tech becoming cheaper & more filling stations emerging outside logistic facilities, depots etc.

 

[KiwiRob]

At first FCEVs will be available in commercial vehicles mostly. Trucks, buses, cargo vans. For commercial (fleet) use. I don't see the tech being viable for passenger EVs initially . Perhaps, eventually, potentially for larger vehicles like pick-ups, big passenger vans, big SUVs, perhaps even for big sedans. It depends on tech becoming cheaper & more filling...

Almost all the FCEV's on sale today are private vehicles.

 

[TheNewBATMAN]

Seems like FCEV and BEV will co-exist :

Motor Mouth: When China’s father of electric cars talks, even Elon Musk has to listen