Hot! BEV Technology

[Design FIRST]

Had Germany the "resonable" electricity taxation and mandatory charging infrastructure of multi-unit apartment buildings featured in Norway and Denmark, I am confident that many. many more BEVs would be registered here. Relevant policy-making here in Germany is immensely incohesive at best.

 

[Swissbob]

Had Germany the "resonable" electricity taxation and mandatory charging infrastructure of multi-unit apartment buildings featured in Norway and Denmark, I am confident that many. many more BEVs would be registered here. Relevant policy-making here in Germany is immensely incohesive at best.

The elefant in the room is the electricity price, limit the fast charge price to 20cent/kWh and things will change immediately.

And fix the residuals, 60% after 5yrs and 150k km. And most people will buy EVs.

 

[Design FIRST]

The elefant in the room is the electricity price, limit the fast charge price to 20cent/kWh and things will change immediately.

I agree. This condition met, and BEVs will be the vehicles of choice for a significant majority of the German market and could potentially relegate ICE-powered vehicles into oblivion long before 2035.

And fix the residuals, 60% after 5yrs and 150k km. And most people will buy EVs.

Rapid proliferation of BEVs will inherently boost BEV residuals.

 

[KiwiRob]

The elefant in the room is the electricity price, limit the fast charge price to 20cent/kWh and things will change immediately.

And fix the residuals, 60% after 5yrs and 150k km. And most people will buy EVs.

Residuals aren't an issue in Norway for EV's, they drop in value at the same rate as ICE vehicle, as more are delivered across Europe this will change in other countries.

 

[Design FIRST]

*Umfrage
Werden Sie im Jahr 2026 ein Elektroauto kaufen/leasen?
60399 Mal abgestimmt
64% JA
27% Unentschieden
9% NEIN

*Translation:

Survey
Will you buy/lease an electric car in 2026?

60,399 votes
64% YES
27% Undecided
9% NO

Source: Auto Motor und Sport (earlier this morning)


This is but one indication of the preparedness to embrace electric drivetrains.

 

[klier]

Residuals aren't an issue in Norway for EV's, they drop in value at the same rate as ICE vehicle, as more are delivered across Europe this will change in other countries.

I believe 96% of sales in 2025 in Norway was EV

The elefant in the room is the electricity price, limit the fast charge price to 20cent/kWh and things will change immediately.

It's still thousands and thousands cheaper a year to fuel your car with electricity compared to gas.
And fast charging is in no way required, most will charge not there actually. It's the same with highway fueling stations being way more expensive than your rural off route gas station.

 

[AndreB]

Last summer I drove my Taycan 3000 km almost for free, charging at hotels, supermarkets. At home I have solar panels but unfortunately I don't drive too much every day to use so much free energy.

 

[Design FIRST]

Last summer I drove my Taycan 3000 km almost for free, charging at hotels, supermarkets. At home I have solar panels but unfortunately I don't drive too much every day to use so much free energy.

Being a pensioner who very seldomly drives longer distances...and actually no longer drives much PERIOD, a pre-owned Porsche Taycan would be ridiculously frivolous considering my basic requirements. But man, when I see those current residuals, it is tempting nonetheless. Albeit superfluous. It is such an extraordinarily good automobile in so many aspects. And pre-owned, for so little money in relation to what it offers. Best sport/luxury segment deal PERIOD.

 

[KiwiRob]

I believe 96% of sales in 2025 in Norway was EV



It's still thousands and thousands cheaper a year to fuel your car with electricity compared to gas.
And fast charging is in no way required, most will charge not there actually. It's the same with highway fueling stations being way more expensive than your rural off route gas station.

It cost me 3000 nok in electricity to run both our EV's last year, plus another 1500 or so from fast charging when we went on a couple of overnight trips in the iX. The last year we had to ICE vehicles we spend nearly 28000 nok on fuel.

 

[Swissbob]

It's still thousands and thousands cheaper a year to fuel your car with electricity compared to gas.
And fast charging is in no way required, most will charge not there actually. It's the same with highway fueling stations being way more expensive than your rural off route gas station.

This depends of the price you pay for the electricity.

Most people have no possibility to charge at home, and the supermarkets are moving to DC Fastchargers.
Where should the people charge their cars?
I can only speak for Switzerland, other countries are surely different.

 

[KiwiRob]

This depends of the price you pay for the electricity.

Most people have no possibility to charge at home, and the supermarkets are moving to DC Fastchargers.
Where should the people charge their cars?
I can only speak for Switzerland, other countries are surely different.

What do you mean by most people? Apparently 50% of Swiss households are car free, do you include those care free (freaks) people as part of your most people?

 

[Swissbob]

They have no possibility to install a wallbox at home because they live in apartments, and the electricity in the garage is not strong enough to support the installation of wallboxes.

 

[Sunny]

They have no possibility to install a wallbox at home because they live in apartments, and the electricity in the garage is not strong enough to support the installation of wallboxes.

Doesn't Switzerland have 230v/10amp standard outlets? That is 2.3kw. If you charge from 8PM to 8AM, that is ~28kwh. The median efficiency of a BEV is 3.5-4kwh. That is good enough for 90+ miles. More than adequate for most daily use. (The avg daily distance travelled per person in Switzerland is just 18miles - https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/en/hom...ort/passenger-transport/travel-behaviour.html)

So you don't need any box for that.

If you are lucky to live in a region of the world with reliable electricity and have a normal commute, and can afford an ev, and in the market for a daily car and still don't buy an ev, it is just stupidity.

 

[klier]

Everybody can afford an EV. They're available in every price class now.

 

[Matski]

I am glad no one in this thread is involved in any kind of policy making.

 

[klier]

I am glad no one in this thread is involved in any kind of policy making.

The ones making policy are equally brilliant.

 

[Matski]

The ones making policy are equally brilliant.

Fair point.

 

[kiki voinea]

Doesn't Switzerland have 230v/10amp standard outlets? That is 2.3kw. If you charge from 8PM to 8AM, that is ~28kwh. The median efficiency of a BEV is 3.5-4kwh. That is good enough for 90+ miles. More than adequate for most daily use. (The avg daily distance travelled per person in Switzerland is just 18miles - https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/en/hom...ort/passenger-transport/travel-behaviour.html)

So you don't need any box for that.

If you are lucky to live in a region of the world with reliable electricity and have a normal commute, and can afford an ev, and in the market for a daily car and still don't buy an ev, it is just stupidity.

My father drives an M3 .And he charges at home , with normal plug charger. At night , that is more than enough for daily use.

The range anxiety has lowered in the past years. Maybe is also due to the fact that most modern EVs have decent range , and people start to see that it's not that big of a deal to have a +1000km range car , when you drive 20-30km a day...

But then again , the hate towards EVs is still stupidly high...

 

[Design FIRST]

But then again , the hate towards EVs is still stupidly high...

Obviously, a "partisan divide" anchored in ideological indoctrination plays a significant role. The "hate" is often not necessarily directed at the technology per se. But rather strong aversions towards excessively vocal, didactic agendas promoted on both sides of the fence. Often having less to do with automobiles than "attitude".

 

[Swissbob]

Doesn't Switzerland have 230v/10amp standard outlets? That is 2.3kw. If you charge from 8PM to 8AM, that is ~28kwh. The median efficiency of a BEV is 3.5-4kwh. That is good enough for 90+ miles. More than adequate for most daily use. (The avg daily distance travelled per person in Switzerland is just 18miles - https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/en/hom...ort/passenger-transport/travel-behaviour.html)

So you don't need any box for that.

If you are lucky to live in a region of the world with reliable electricity and have a normal commute, and can afford an ev, and in the market for a daily car and still don't buy an ev, it is just stupidity.

This is right. But If you live in a apartment building like most people in Switzerland, you need the permission of the real estate manager.

You can’t use the standard outlets, because they need to put a electricity meter on the plug you use, otherwise the other inhabitants of the building would pay a big part of your electricity bills.

If the main power connection of the garage is strong enough, you can get the permission to install the electricity meter and a plug with a (RFID) key so the other inhabitants are not able to steal your electricity.

My neighbor did this in a building not far from me, he paid 3000$ for this procedure including a Wallbox.