Bentley Brooklands or Rolls-Royce Phantom Coupe?


Bentley Brooklands or Rolls-Royce Phantom Coupe?

  • Bentley Brooklands

    Votes: 35 47.3%
  • Rolls-Royce Phantom Coupe

    Votes: 39 52.7%

  • Total voters
    74
You don't need to explain the Brooklands. Just look at it, and try not to drool too much.


BINGO! Having to explain why a car looks the way it does is a problem. Its been the same thing since the 2002 7-Series. Marketing, design, corporate mumbo jumbo to cover up an ugly car. Yet there is no need to "explain" the M3, X5 or X6. When something looks good there is no need to explain anything.


M
 
Brookland is also a piece of ugliness. I look and look but I still find anything beautiful with. I just see a big whale with a toxido trying to look good.
 
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You might wonder why Rolls-Royce would do a Phantom Coupe that from a distance looks virtually identical to the softtop Phantom Drophead Coupe with the roof up. Surely, you think, customers would want a little more variation on the Rolls-Royce theme?

Apparently not: Rolls-Royce expects to sell more than a few of the $400,000 Coupes to customers who already own a Phantom sedan and convertible. Nothing like having a matched set of Phantoms in the garage to show you've truly arrived, it seems.

The Phantom Coupe is the production version of the EX101 concept Rolls-Royce unveiled at the 2006 Geneva show. While it's closely related to the extravagant Drophead, the first new two-door hardtop Rolls since the 1975 Pininfarina-designed Carmargue is being pitched as the driver's Rolls.

"The Coupe and the Drophead are two distinct cars, with different personalities and specific performance characteristics," says designer Ian Cameron. Um, okay... Except they both look an awful lot like each other, and both are powered by the same 453-horse 6.75-liter V-12 as used in the Phantom sedan. And Rolls-Royce claims the Coupe's 0-60-mph sprint will take 5.6 seconds-exactly the same as the Drophead.

So we'll have to wait until we drive it to see how the stiffer body structure, firmer rear shocks and spring rates, and thicker rear roll bar makes the Coupe feel sportier than the other Phantoms. The steering has also been tuned to deliver more feel, and the steering wheel fitted with a thicker rim. There's even-whisper it-a sport button on the steering wheel that alters the shift protocol of the six-speed automatic transmission.

What next? A rear wing?

Hardly. But the Phantom Coupe does get a pair of rectangular exhaust outlets peeking out from under the rear bumper. There are also three different 21-inch wheels available, two of which are made from forged alloy. That's about as overtly sporty as things get.

The Coupe's wheelbase is 9.8 inches shorter than that of the sedan, and the weight distribution is 49/51 front/rear, which means the car should retain some of the delicacy of feel you get in the Phantom sedan. Brakes are giant 14.7-inch discs up front, and 14.6-inch units at the rear.

Rolls-Royce has released a new palette of nine standard paint colors for the Coupe, though buyers can choose from up to 44,000 shades through the company's Bespoke program. As with the Drophead Coupe, you can order your car with the unique brushed steel hood and windshield surround.

Inside, the Coupe uses the same seating package as the Drophead, and the dash unit shared with the sedan. As you'd expect, there's lots of rich wood: You can choose from zebrano, elm, mahogany, rosewood, burr walnut, or even the old pear tree in your backyard-plus swathes of leather and dashes of sparkling chrome. The optional "starlight" headlining uses fiber optics to create a reasonable facsimile of a star-filled night sky. It sounds faintly Vegas, but it works.

The Phantom Coupe is a car in the tradition of the fast and romantic two-doors that the rich and famous once swooped across Europe into the grand hotels on the French Riviera or the ski resorts of Switzerland. These days, of course, they all take private jets.



2009 Rolls-Royce Phantom Coupe - First Look - Motor Trend



M
 
Brookland is also a piece of ugliness. I look and look but I still find anything beautiful with. I just see a big whale with a toxido trying to look good.

Exactly what i think, this the true beauty, the true elegance and stance by sleekiness.


Too bad the brookland is a pig that doesn't assume it and tries to hide it but imo it's a failure, that's why the rolls design is more authentic imo.
 
At least with the CL, you get the sunroof as a standard feature. :D
 
Exactly what i think, this the true beauty, the true elegance and stance by sleekiness.


Too bad the brookland is a pig that doesn't assume it and tries to hide it but imo it's a failure, that's why the rolls design is more authentic imo.

:icondrool:icondrool

But i have to disagrre about the Brooklands is just supremely royal:icondrool:icondrool
 
To extent some of what Just_Me said is true. Some of the posts for Rolls are clearly BMW-lead...




I simply don`t agree with that.. even though it might be the case with some fanboys but it shouldn`t be. When I saw the side profile of the Roller compared to the Brooklands the first thing that entered my mind was Porsche, The Rolls look so hunkered down to the road in that profile pic, the overhangs so checked, it doesn`t look like a Rolls at all in that pic...!

I still have respect for the brand. It`s German ownership however is showing
in the design house.
 
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My opinion in this matter is that both cars look great, RR more modern and more classy with its front (I don’t like Bentley’s front), interiors definitely greater in RR so IMO RR stays on the top. :usa7uh:
 
i am glad the continental T has been brought up
in the T the clear lineage of the brroklands can be seen, a design langauge that goes back to the 80's with some 90's tweakings, nothing groundbreaking but in itself not inherently bad.

with the brroklands you are getting the last whiff of the old arnage, the ultimate expression of what will soon be a defunct concept entirely making way to something new and hopefully not branded by the sizzling VAG poker

in itself the brroklands is not "ugly" but at the same time in no way can it be summarized as the epitome of royal design, unless this idea was frozen in time somehwere between the death of john lennon and the first bush administration. the brooklands is more akin to BMW E39 5er than anything else, some will say how is that?

the answer is simple it is a clear evolutionary design of a succesful precursor designed to be "nice", "cool", but more importantly "unobtrusive" and "undivisive". i.e. almost everybody will coem to the conclusion that the brroklands is a beautiful car, almost eveyrbody will notice it and say something positive but have say a PT cruiser or a fiat multipla (Pre FL) pass alongside and those will generate more interest and more "buzz" not necessarily in a royally positive manner.

things is the brroklands is not particularly coherent when you look at it for a long time, the broken character line on the profile breaks with the syymetry and the parallelism of the window line in an obscene way, and the manner the whol front wraps around the headlights is reminescent of some of the very old cars that had those round signal blinkers position in this same way except that now we have a blank space. it is very very akin to say a 70's cadillac or lincoln coupe in general aura.

the rolls royce is itself not a particular beauty either itcan not lay claim to the titel of the most beautiful car in the worl like keira knightly can lay claim to the titelof most beautiful woman

it has some oddities including that high rear roofline, and that twinhood with the Drophead, but hey have you taken a look at the azure? thing is whereas the brroklands is the last breath of a dying concept (the bentely design language born in the RR 80's and surviving through the arnage) the coupe, after the DPC and the Phantom are advancing the RR design language into the 21st century, it is reformulating the basic RR idea into somethign viable for the coming 50 years, this started with the phantom is continued with both coupe's and will continue on with the smaler sedan and its derivatives

as a standalone the coupe gives a clear idea that it is a cabrio in essence, which is not something inherently bad, an RR is not a performance car (neither is a bentley though it is amrketed as such) thus making the coupe into a roofed cabrio is something very purposeful, it conveys a clear message that this is a car to waft along in much like a cabrio isn but with the added bonues of privacy, safety (for mobsters) and weather proofing

the design language emploed is also far cleaner than that of the brooklands, you do not have messy discontinous lines, you do not have odd parts grafted together like the brrokland's front, it is a continous hole, except for the "roof" which i have explained above.

in the end, the intended market for these 2 cars is very limited, say anywhere between 200 and 500 yearly as an absolute maximum, at this level you do not sell based on features, technology, switches, or gizmos (something the maybach developpers entirely missed) you are selling an image, a lifestyle, an experience, and a statement.

the badge accounts for half of these, and RR and Bentley ar almost equally powerful when ti comes to these concepts. this means in essence slap an RR or B badge on a micra and it WILL become a lot more than it actually is.

the other half of "an image, a lifestyle, an experience, and a statement" is design. (another thing the maybach designers entirely missed) at this level of automobile manufacturing you can afford to go wakko with your designs since you will always find between 200 and 500 people who will buy it, rather it is preferable to make it something "wakko" because people who are spending that much money on a car are people who want to be seen.

had this been a private and reserved person, he or she would have bought a merc Cl or a a 6er and called it a day. buyers of these cars whomever they are, rappers, mobsters, royalty, flithy rich, excentrics, nobility or whatever do not buy these cars to hide , they buy them to go on the road and tell "us" to get the hell out of the way, or ELSE.

to sum this last point up, at $300K+ a car, i want my car to make a statement, to occupy half the road and to assert me as overlord of the puny working class, powerfully yet subtly extending my hold over the common people's awe, and not letting me outside of their sight, and this my friends is exactly what an RR coupe does, and exactly where the brookland fails!
 
To extent some of what Just_Me said is true. Some of the posts for Rolls are clearly BMW-lead no matter what, must vote for the BMW product type stuff. Too bad because the Brooklands is easier the better looking car, especially exterior wise. The Rolls side profile is a mess and almost truck like. Interior it is a much closer call, which do you prefer is the question there; old-school or old-school trying to be modern. Brooklands for me no doubt, beyond a shadow of a doubt.

M

Just like how MB fanboys will vote for the Maybach and argue that it is more successful than RR. It's just the nature of this forum.

I think that the Phantom and co. builds on Rolls Royces from the 80's and 90's (not early ones than that). Not many people are going to argue that those were "elegant" I don't think.

Imo, Rolls Royces are supposed to make you feel like you are 4 again when you see them in real life. I think the Phantom and DDC deliver that feeling better than the Bentleys. I promise you that Rolls Royces will turn more heads than the Bentleys... maybe it's a good thing, maybe it's a bad thing.
 
Just like how MB fanboys will vote for the Maybach and argue that it is more successful than RR. It's just the nature of this forum.

Are you serious? No. Wrong. No one here could ever say that Maybach is more successful than Rolls-Royce. We're talking about styling here, what you're talking about is cold hard facts, i.e. sales numbers. Rolls-Royce kills Maybach at being a "success" so you're claim is totally untrue. No MB fanboy could ever say that Maybach is more "successful" than Rolls-Royce. You can pic whichever car you like, but everyone in the known world knows that Rolls-Royce has been a complete success all over Maybach under BMW's care.

I can do without out the head turning when I know I drive a car that more appeals to me. A Peterbuilt will turn heads too when it takes up too much space in the lane or is simply big and in your face, doesn't mean it is pretty or beautiful. I'll take the latter.

M
 
I simply don`t agree with that.. even though it might be the case with some fanboys but it shouldn`t be.

That is why I said to some extent, not totally. You say "even though it might be the case with some" which was my point.


M
 
Are you serious? No. Wrong. No one here could ever say that Maybach is more successful than Rolls-Royce. We're talking about styling here, what you're talking about is cold hard facts, i.e. sales numbers. Rolls-Royce kills Maybach at being a "success" so you're claim is totally untrue. No MB fanboy could ever say that Maybach is more "successful" than Rolls-Royce. You can pic whichever car you like, but everyone in the known world knows that Rolls-Royce has been a complete success all over Maybach under BMW's care.

I can do without out the head turning when I know I drive a car that more appeals to me. A Peterbuilt will turn heads too when it takes up too much space in the lane or is simply big and in your face, doesn't mean it is pretty or beautiful. I'll take the latter.

M

Sorry didn't mean successful as in sales... let's just say the cars in general. MB fans will argue that is the better car. Do you remember the Maybach convertible vs RR DH thread? I will be willing to bet money that each camp voted for their respective company.

This RR and the Brooklands are representations of cars from the 80s and 90s, unlike the Bentley GT which is totally different. These cars are totally about turning heads and taking up too much space.

It's the same argument as me liking the 6er. It's got nothing to do about it being a BMW. I do find it beautiful
 
Sorry didn't mean successful as in sales... let's just say the cars in general. MB fans will argue that is the better car. Do you remember the Maybach convertible vs RR DH thread? I will be willing to bet money that each camp voted for their respective company.

This RR and the Brooklands are representations of cars from the 80s and 90s, unlike the Bentley GT which is totally different. These cars are totally about turning heads and taking up too much space.

It's the same argument as me liking the 6er. It's got nothing to do about it being a BMW. I do find it beautiful


Yes I remember the thread, but that is different from being a success. Though I find the Maybach Landau impressive I'd still take the Phantom Drophead over it.

The GT group of cars are just plain ugly as is this new Rolls so if that is what the ultra-luxury market is coming to, "making a statement" in a grotesque manner then I'll forever want the older Bentleys. To me a Rolls is supposed to be beautiful like they were before. Ditto for Bentleys which is why I can't stand the frog/flying brick group of cars. Everyone here making excuses for this new Rolls is all of sudden throwing away key traits that make up Rolls' history to excuse this giant mess of a car. Ugly and ungainly was never part of the Rolls-Royce equation and to gloss over it by saying "it makes a statement" is just way too hypocritical IMO. Can't label me a RR hater either, my thread on the 2007 Detroit auto show put me on the record with the Drophead being my favorite car there.

What EnI doesn't understand is that great "design" doesn't need to be explained to death with all this "its above your head" gobbleygook. You know it when you see it. We're not having this conversation about the X6, M3, X5, or Drophead. Those are uninversally liked with minimal detractors.


M
 
I think I, and Merc1, were misunderstood.

We don't say: the new Rollers look bad, the Bentley Arnages are better.

We say: the DHC is gorgeous.
However, the Coupe isn't.

It is not a question og 90'S or 21st century, creating a language for the next years, re-interpreting the Rolls design. Not at all.

It is the fact that the roof does not suit the Coupe, in contrary to the DHC who looks fabulous.

(And fact is, the Brooklands has a timeless, flawless design, it looks absolutely gorgeous. The "broken, swooping line" reminds of the famous Rolls/Bentley rear fender, in a discreet and wonderfully elegant manner...like everything in this car. But the discussion here is more about the Rolls than about the Brooklands, because there is nothing to add about the Brooklands)

So here we are not about big words, big formal philosophy and opposition between old and new luxury, or with BMW or VW ownership or anything.

I do find that the new formal language of Rolls is very well adapted to the market. I don't particularly like it, because I prefer "old-world elegance", but I love the DHC. I reckon modern Rolls are very wisely modernized, very attractive for their clients, and they are still very Rolls.


BUT the Phantom Coupe does not look good to my eyes, because the roof does not flow with its design

I only speak about the Coupe here. Not the whole Phantom line, only the Coupe. But as this car is a bit messed-up, the Rolls fans try to shift the subject to Bentley vs Rolls vs Maybach, and begin to speak about "post-modern, statements, attitude, 21str century etc". It is not the point here.


To summarize: I don't criticize Rolls's new design language, but only THE COUPE, who in my eyes looks heavy and is not beautiful at all. In contrary to the DHC.
 
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I wouldn't call the design concept of the Brooklands a dying concept. The new Arnage coming out next year will most likely be an evolution of the current generation with quad head lights and similarly styled grill. I can't see Bentley stepping out of the box and trying to great something that doesn't look like a Bentley.

As for the discussion about making a statement and all, there are some successful and wealthy people who appreciate great craftsmanship and design. But at the same time these people are modest and don't like the idea of flashing their wealth in a crass way. Instead of golden Rolex Daytona they wear a IWC Portuegese. These is market for this type of discrete luxury. I regularly see Bentley's, Merc and Rolls around here in London, and although the Arnage is one expensive car it doesn't stand out in an overly posh way.

Not everybody in the market for a high end luxury car wants to "make a statement" and drive around in something that will boost their ego or enlarge their penis. Some people just want to enjoy the best life has to offer in a tasteful and humble manner.
 
Yes I remember the thread, but that is different from being a success. Though I find the Maybach Landau impressive I'd still take the Phantom Drophead over it.

The GT group of cars are just plain ugly as is this new Rolls so if that is what the ultra-luxury market is coming to, "making a statement" in a grotesque manner then I'll forever want the older Bentleys. To me a Rolls is supposed to be beautiful like they were before. Ditto for Bentleys which is why I can't stand the frog/flying brick group of cars. Everyone here making excuses for this new Rolls is all of sudden throwing away key traits that make up Rolls' history to excuse this giant mess of a car. Ugly and ungainly was never part of the Rolls-Royce equation and to gloss over it by saying "it makes a statement" is just way too hypocritical IMO. Can't label me a RR hater either, my thread on the 2007 Detroit auto show put me on the record with the Drophead being my favorite car there.

What EnI doesn't understand is that great "design" doesn't need to be explained to death with all this "its above your head" gobbleygook. You know it when you see it. We're not having this conversation about the X6, M3, X5, or Drophead. Those are uninversally liked with minimal detractors.


M

I just don't think good design is as clear cut as you make it sound. Case and point... you have the M6 cab in your all-star list and I remember you saying you find the car great looking. I think the design if f-cking fantastic...

Try explaining that to 80% of the non-BMW fans (including Raoul) who think it's one of the ugliest cars on the road...
 
all i know is that before the roller coupe (in other words a couple of days ago)
there was nearly nothing but love for the bentley..
and now there is so much hate ...hmm i wonder why...

all i can say is haha:D
 
I just don't think good design is as clear cut as you make it sound. Case and point... you have the M6 cab in your all-star list and I remember you saying you find the car great looking. I think the design if f-cking fantastic...

Try explaining that to 80% of the non-BMW fans (including Raoul) who think it's one of the ugliest cars on the road...

Of course design is a matter of personal taste, but I think the DHC is much better than this Coupe.

As far as the 6-Series, it is only the front that I don't like, it looks sad. I quite like the rest of the car.

But clearly, design is much too personal to be generalized. A matter of taste, clearly. All what i said only engages me.

What a boring world if everything was similar, everybody had the same taste...It is diversity that make us rich.
 
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