Autocar First Drive - Mercedes C180K BlueEfficiency


I'm afraid I'm simply too fat for the sports seats :( I've tried them before ordering my E90, but they seemed too tight, even with the side supporters completely open.

Well then, the C280 W204 is a good choice if you want comfort. :usa7uh:

Drove a number of W204s and the seats are generally very supportive and comfortable.
 
Well then, the C280 W204 is a good choice if you want comfort. :usa7uh:

Drove a number of W204s and the seats are generally very supportive and comfortable.
I also test-drove a couple of W204s (C220CDI, C200CDI), but they were all with the normal seats (Elegance and Avantgarde). Those seats didn't actually convince me. I wonder how better the multi-contour seats are, compared to the standard Elegance or Avantgarde seats. Anyone tried them both?
 
I also test-drove a couple of W204s (C220CDI, C200CDI), but they were all with the normal seats (Elegance and Avantgarde). Those seats didn't actually convince me. I wonder how better the multi-contour seats are, compared to the standard Elegance or Avantgarde seats. Anyone tried them both?

The standard seats are actually quite comfortable. The multi-contour seats are obviously taking the comfort level to whole other level.

I experienced the M-C seats in the W221 S500 (S550) I testdrove and all I can say is "WOW"! Incredible. Be prepared to pay a hefty sum for them too. If you do travel a lot and want something incredibly comfortable, they are worth it.

Other than that, I personally felt the standard W204 seats were adequate enough. The longest W204 I drove was the C180 Kompressor Classic which I tested for over two hours. My back didn't hurt and my butt wasn't sore. :D
 
Other than that, I personally felt the standard W204 seats were adequate enough. The longest W204 I drove was the C180 Kompressor Classic which I tested for over two hours. My back didn't hurt and my butt wasn't sore. :D

Im sure you like it but remember there are people that like the standard seats in 1/3-series as well ;)
 
Im sure you like it but remember there are people that like the standard seats in 1/3-series as well ;)

Don't get me wrong, I like the 118i and the seats are decent for driving around in the city or for short distances. But when you take the car on longer journeys, say from Munich to Stuttgart on the Autobahn. After awhile you need to stop and walk around a bit to get the blood flowing back in your behind and your back. That's actually one of the few complaints I have about the 1-Series. The fuel economy has improved so that topic is dying out. So yeah, basically the seats could be a little thicker and more comfortable. That's about it. :t-cheers:
 
Don't get me wrong, I like the 118i and the seats are decent for driving around in the city or for short distances. But when you take the car on longer journeys, say from Munich to Stuttgart on the Autobahn. After awhile you need to stop and walk around a bit to get the blood flowing back in your behind and your back. That's actually one of the few complaints I have about the 1-Series. The fuel economy has improved so that topic is dying out. So yeah, basically the seats could be a little thicker and more comfortable. That's about it. :t-cheers:

Not many small cars are meant to be long distance crusiers. But one hour trip in my mothers car with standard seats worked fine for me and my parents. It's kinda individual if you sit good or not.

But I've been in the backseat of 3er E90 from Sweden and almost all the way down to Berlin, Germany and I didnt feel any back pain. Only my legs were affected since there isnt much place to strech your legs. All in all, I usually dont have problem with BMW and their seats. :eusa_danc
 
Not many small cars are meant to be long distance crusiers. But one hour trip in my mothers car with standard seats worked fine for me and my parents. It's kinda individual if you sit good or not.

True. And one hour is probably the max you can sit in the 118i before the backpains start bothering you! :D

Anyway, I've solved the problem by bringing along two small pillows. They help extend the comfort range without having to stop etc.
 
True. And one hour is probably the max you can sit in the 118i before the backpains start bothering you! :D

Anyway, I've solved the problem by bringing along two small pillows. They help extend the comfort range without having to stop etc.
Funny, I've been considering using a pillow in my E90 LCI too. It may make my left leg feel more comfortable. I'm just not sure how big and thick the pillow should be :D I'm not easy you know :banana:

Meanwhile, I'm trying to get a W204 for a day or two, since now I don't trust my judgement about seat comfort based on a 30-minutes test drive. Maybe if I drive 200 kms both on highways and city, I can come to a proper judgement and not make the "seat comfort mistake" again.
 
Funny, I've been considering using a pillow in my E90 LCI too. It may make my left leg feel more comfortable. I'm just not sure how big and thick the pillow should be :D I'm not easy you know :banana:

I've got an automatic transmission in the 118i (sisters car which I am using at the moment) so I tend to have no leg pains. :D


Meanwhile, I'm trying to get a W204 for a day or two, since now I don't trust my judgement about seat comfort based on a 30-minutes test drive. Maybe if I drive 200 kms both on highways and city, I can come to a proper judgement and not make the "seat comfort mistake" again.

Do that. Even a 30 minute or one hour drive is enough to give you a feel of the seats. They're quite comfortable, much better than those found in the W203, which never really impressed me.

Check if your dealer will allow you to keep the car for a weekend. Two-three days are perfect for testing out this baby.
 
I've got an automatic transmission in the 118i (sisters car which I am using at the moment) so I tend to have no leg pains. :D
I also have an A/T, but in the E90 the footrest is simply in a very bad position for me. It's too close to me (unlike e.g. W204 -- or my previous Mazda3 for that matter), and it is too far from the other pedals (so it's too much put to the left). My preference would be a footrest right next to the current footrest position, somewhat in the place of the (non-existing) clutch pedal. And of course it should be deeper, and its angle should be less than in the E90. The position of the footrest is the major cause of my leg issues: my left leg has to rest on the seat's side support thinggie, and since that side support is not quite soft (to keep me in the seat at hard cornering I guess), it pokes into my thigh. Both my right leg and my back feels very comfortable, so the seat itself is not that bad. Of course I've tried to adjust the seat into very different positions, but my left leg only gets sort of comfortable when I sit far from the pedals -- but then I can not properly reach the wheel even when it is pulled out to the maximum.

As far as I can judge by sitting in the car, the W204 footrest position is somewhat in between my previous car (Mazda3) and the E90. And its seats are much better designed, albeit it is a bit weird to sit in them. The "stuffing" seems very different from other cars. In Fifth Gear they said it is a result of a special development to evenly distribute the weight of the driver on his/her buttcheeks, but that concept is not something I wanna wonder about when sitting in a Mercedes :t-banghea :t-drive: :D So let's just say I'll arrange a one or two day rent, and then we'll see if it turns out to be comfortable -- or I'm just a gnome with unusual body proportions :eusa_thin I'm 1.67m / 95kg BTW, so not the usual thin young boys/girls or thin old dads driving an E90 around here :) Maybe that's the problem...

BTW, my girlfriend (who drives an A150 Autotronic) found the footrest a bit weird, but at least her left leg is not hurting. But she reckons the brake pedal is in the wrong position, and that her right knee starts to hurt after driving the E90 for a while. She had the same issue with her previous car (Yaris II, MMT gearbox), but she had no such issues in my previous car (Mazda3) and her current A150. When it comes to cars, we're a picky couple, that's for sure :)
 
Fiery, you not intrested to buy E-class/5-series or Audi A6 ?
I don't like the E-Class' "face", neither W211 or W212. The W212 looks like a Kia Magentis from the back IMHO, so it's definiately not something I'd want :) And here in Hungary a lot of taxis are E-Class sedans, a lot of market place guys (I don't know the word, they are the guys who sell vegetables and fruits on market places) do their vegetable transfer using E-Class wagons, and a lot of gangsters drive black E-Class sedans with tinted windows :) So the generic reputation of the E-Class here is not so good.

When I test-drove the W211 270CDI, I was disappointed by the lack of feel on the wheel, and also by the lack of sound insulation, both in terms of noise and vibrations (from the diesel engine of course). I expected a lot more refinement from the E-Class, especially after driving C-Class (W204), the current Mondeo and the current Citroen C5. Both the Mondeo and C5 were miles better sound insulated, beating even the W204 C220CDI.

As for the 5-series, it has too much "Bangle". I don't like the design in the front, but I love the back (just like with the W211), although I don't think the front and back should be placed on the same car :D I also hate the interior, it looks boring and cheap IMHO (the E90 is better, but not by miles), and I hate the "sci-fi" gearstick. After my E90 LCI seat experience, I would be a bit afraid of even the comfort seats of the 5. And it is too expensive: for the price of a 2006/2007 5-series I can get an almost brand new C-Class here; and the new car price gap is even worse. BTW, the design (both interior and exterior) of the W204 beats the 5-series by light years, and I don't think I should add "IMHO" this time :)

As for the A6, I always thought it's blend. It has no exciting features in its design, but inside it's built from better materials (or at least better feeling materials) than the 5-series. I reckon it has less class and less prestige than the W204, but the comfort in the model I drove once (A6 2.0 PDTDI manual '07 + S-Line package) with the S-Line seats seemed top-notch. I just hated the noise of the PDTDI engine -- but it's not a problem anymore, Audi already switched to common-rail.
 
Fiery, you are difficult man to satisfy :D

PS 5-series has the optional comfort seats (with anti whiplash) these seats are not offered for the 3-series. Trust me, the comfort seats are very comfortable and cant be compared with the seats in your 3-series :) But like you said, they cost money
 
Fiery, you are difficult man to satisfy :D
I know :) But not really, for example a C-Class with a multi-contour seats would most likely work. I love its exterior, its interior and class. I guess I'd also love its V6 petrol engines, but since I've lost a huge pile of money on the E90 LCI depreciation (and the fall of 2nd hand car prices due to the depression), I may not be able to buy a new C-Class with a proper engine. 2nd hand prices are very good, but it's not easy to find one here that combines all the necessary extras. When I say "necessary", I mean the ones that are important to me: A/T, Avantgarde, Parktronic, xenon, heated seats, rain sensor and Logic7. The major issue is the Logic7, apparently not many C-Class is ordered with them, so even though the 2nd hand car market here is flooded with C-Classes, I can only find 3 or 4 cars with Logic7 -- and they are all C220CDI :( After a refined straight-six BMW direct injected petrol engine it would most definiately be hard to fall in love with :)
 
The C220 CDI is a decent choice as a used car. I suppose the engine is considered a little "outdated" now in terms of fuel consumption but in terms of refinement she's still decent and power is not bad too. I've driven it often and I've always enjoyed it.

I've also driven the W204 C200 CDI. It's a bit sluggish down low but once you're up to speed there's nothing "slow" about it. Fuel economy is a bit better than the C220 CDI but of course you're trading some performance for that.

If I were you and if I could afford it I would probably go for a new C200 CDI / C220 CDI or C250 CDI. :usa7uh:
 
The C220 CDI is a decent choice as a used car. I suppose the engine is considered a little "outdated" now in terms of fuel consumption but in terms of refinement she's still decent and power is not bad too. I've driven it often and I've always enjoyed it.

I've also driven the W204 C200 CDI. It's a bit sluggish down low but once you're up to speed there's nothing "slow" about it. Fuel economy is a bit better than the C220 CDI but of course you're trading some performance for that.

If I were you and if I could afford it I would probably go for a new C200 CDI / C220 CDI or C250 CDI. :usa7uh:
One thing I've noticed on my previous test drives on W204 is that at low speeds (and stand still) the C200CDI seemed a lot more quiet than the C220CDI. I guess it's normal, and it's due to the lower common-rail pressure of the 200CDI engine.

BTW, I'm renting a C200 Kompressor (5GTronic, Avantgarde) on Tuesday, so finally I'll have enough time (5-6 hours) to thoroughly test the W204 everywhere (highways, back-roads, city traffic), without a stupid salesman sitting on the passenger seat :) I'll also check out the Radio Audio 20 CD and the standard speakers, I wonder how it stacks up against my previous car stereos, and also how it compares to my current Logic7 setup in the BMW E90 LCI. If it works out, I may also get a C220CDI for a day, just to compare the 220CDI engine against the 200K... :t-drive: Too bad they don't have a C250CDI or a V6 engine model.
 
One thing I've noticed on my previous test drives on W204 is that at low speeds (and stand still) the C200CDI seemed a lot more quiet than the C220CDI. I guess it's normal, and it's due to the lower common-rail pressure of the 200CDI engine.

BTW, I'm renting a C200 Kompressor (5GTronic, Avantgarde) on Tuesday, so finally I'll have enough time (5-6 hours) to thoroughly test the W204 everywhere (highways, back-roads, city traffic), without a stupid salesman sitting on the passenger seat :) I'll also check out the Radio Audio 20 CD and the standard speakers, I wonder how it stacks up against my previous car stereos, and also how it compares to my current Logic7 setup in the BMW E90 LCI. If it works out, I may also get a C220CDI for a day, just to compare the 220CDI engine against the 200K... :t-drive: Too bad they don't have a C250CDI or a V6 engine model.

Sweet. :eusa_danc


The C200 Kompressor is one of my favorite C-Classes. I find the engine to be zippy and responsive and fairly quick too. The engine feels like a 6-cylinder in terms of refinement too. A great car. ;)

By the way, when you drive a C200 CDI or C220 CDI with automatic transmission, expect a slight delay in engine response of about a second. This is usually the case when you perform a kickdown or floor the accelerator without causing a kickdown. The engine and transmission work well together, generally, except in that situation where there is that delay.
 
A lot of reviews in Germany have said that Efficient Dynamics seems to be just hype. BMW claims these figures but nobody can seem to get them.

I know that my sisters BMW 118i, which doesn't have ED, has until now not returned the fuel economy that was written in the 1-Series brochure under "118i Automatik". :t-hands:

I certainly get more than the advertised numbers from my 330i and the X5.
With the 330i,I get 25 mpg combined driving, and 33 mpg Hwy.
With the X5 4.8, I average 23 mpg on the HWY, and 14 mpg combined driving. I think it mostly depends on how you drive your car.

All mpg are based on US gallons.
 

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