Vs Audi A7 3.0 TFSI Quattro vs Lexus GS 350 F Sport

[Tumbo]

The A7 is one of the most beautiful cars in the world.... But not all of it! The 3/4 of it. The rear is still horrible in my opinion. Can't get used to it. Just cant. The rear lights also make it look weird. :/ I like the rear of the Panamera more then the rear of the A7. Replace those rear lights, which make it look like somebody is sitting on the trunk and makes the car go "ooooh".

 

[330CIZHP]

Data panel:

http://www.roadandtrack.com/var/ezf...lication/f8e8d0afaf9941a5e3cff35b3336e3f0.pdf

 

[Deckhook]

That A7 looks to be punching well beyond it's PTW don't you think?

0-60mph @ 4.7s
0-100mph @ 11.9s
0-120mph @ 17.9s

 

[Gianclaudio]

That A7 looks to be punching well beyond it's PTW don't you think?

0-60mph @ 4.7s
0-100mph @ 11.9s
0-120mph @ 17.9s

It's an USA magazine. They always claim unreal 0-60 times to arguee they're better drivers than the other magazines. Short penis complex

 

[330CIZHP]

It's an USA magazine. They always claim unreal 0-60 times to arguee they're better drivers than the other magazines. Short penis complex

Proof is in the pudding. American magazines use actual drag strip tree and sensor techniques. The 1-foot roll out is also taken directly from the standard of where the sensor is placed on an actual drag strip anywhere in the world.

That is why the American magazine 1/4 mile are most accurate when compared to real life drag strip numbers (For example, E90 M3 typical runs 1/4 mile of 12.7 - 12.9 secs with a trap speed of 110 - 112 mph in real life just like every single magazine consistently has reported).

 

[Gianclaudio]

I'm talkins specificly about 0-60 times. How do you explain the -in some cases- 0,8 or up to 1 second difference between Motortrend/ Card and Driver to the rest of the magazines throught the world? I understand the 60 vs 62 mph difference, but a whole second?

May be the fuel Motortrend, C&D and Road and Track use is better to the fuel of the rest of the world

 

[330CIZHP]

0-60 mph is all about traction off the line and how the car is launched without inducing too much wheelspin plus only the driver sits in the car in US tests unlike many of the other countries where a passenger is seated in the car as well. Having a passenger sitting in the car while conducting tests can alone account for several tenths.

American testers spend the time to understand the launching characterstics of each car to see what rpm serves it best to give the quickest 0-60 mph time. Same car launched three different times with varying launch rpms based on how much traction is available at each rpm could cause huge variations in 0-60 mph times. That is why 0-60 mph tells nothing anything about how fast a car truly is.

The 1-foot roll-out taken from the drag strip standard methodology alone accounts for 3/10ths of a second.

The biggest thing about American testers is that as much as possible they use consistently the same standard to test every car unlike many of the other countries where they do some ludicrous stuff such as, Motorsport France where in a drag race they got a Corvette ZR-1 of the line from idle at 1000 rpm while giving a full-boil 5000 rpm launch on a GT3 RS 4.0.

I'm talkins specificly about 0-60 times. How do you explain the -in some cases- 0,8 or up to 1 second difference between Motortrend/ Card and Driver to the rest of the magazines throught the world? I understand the 60 vs 62 mph difference, but a whole second?

May be the fuel Motortrend, C&D and Road and Track use is better to the fuel of the rest of the world

 

[Gianclaudio]

So american magazine tester are better driver than the rest of the world (which casually, post about the same time, country after country)

I see :

 

[330CIZHP]

So american magazine tester are better driver than the rest of the world (which casually, post about the same time, country after country)

I see :

If you think there are not huge variations in tests from country to country, you are completely mistaken.

 

[Gianclaudio]

How to explain... if you see a 0-60 time from an european magazine (including british, german, french, italian and spanish) or a latinamerican magazine, they manage to have similar times, with 0,1 -0,3 difference in time. Then you see Car and Driver or Motortrend and the guys post between half second up to a second from the times the other magazine posts....

How is that possible?

 

[330CIZHP]

I definitely disagree. I have seen wild fluctuations in many of the European tests as well and also videos have shown they use very inconsistent methods to launch a car.

In this particular test, they must have used brake torquing techniques to get the car getting off the line quick with AWD the Audi launched very well off the line without any wheelspin. The Lexus GS 5.5 seconds seems spot on to me. The official 0-60 mph is 5.6 seconds for the GS.

Well, if nothing else. Drag racing really is a true and pure American sport originating from muscle cars back in the 50s. They know it better than anyone else.

How to explain... if you see a 0-60 time from an european magazine (including british, german, french, italian and spanish) or a latinamerican magazine, they mangaed to have similar times, with 0,1 -0,3 difference in time. Then you see Card and driver or Motortrend and the guys post between half second up to a second from the times the other magazine posts....

How is that possible?

 

[Gianclaudio]

Ok, so the argument is american drivers are better.

 

[330CIZHP]

Ok, so the argument is american drivers are better.

As drag racers, ofcourse their techniques are better than anyone else. Americans pioneered this sport back in the 50s during the muscle car revolution and know it better than anyone else. Fact!

Track racing? Ofcourse not. European and Japanese drivers are way better.