Valhalla Aston Martin Valhalla (a.k.a. Project 003)

[Centurion]

Dissapointing but not unexpected that AM won't have an in-hiuse V6.

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

Dissapointing but not unexpected that AM won't have an in-hiuse V6.

took the words right out my mouth/fingertips. this ambitious plan had some Bahar-like qualities to it, and while Stroll's intervention was a lifeline to A-M, it only accelerated the inevitable.

 

[KiwiRob]

Dissapointing but not unexpected that AM won't have an in-hiuse V6.

I think that TTV6 will find it way into the smaller Vanquish and maybe into the Vantage.

 

[bmwz4coupe]

Another british car brand eaten up by the wolves....

 

[Serpens]

I think that TTV6 will find it way into the smaller Vanquish and maybe into the Vantage.

Doubt it. Sounds like they're trying to cut costs here by not using the in house motor.

 

[Porsche Guy]

Not surprising at all. It's expensive to engineer an engine that passes emissions for a variety of markets.

 

[Ozy]

I hope they keep the design though

 

[Centurion]

In which Merc will the V6 hybrid debut in first?

Another british car brand eaten up by the wolves....

This will be true if AM doesn't develop an inhouse EV platform but source it from MB.

I wouldn't be surprised if MB end up acquiring the brand.

 

[Bucketslash11]

wonder how much adaptation would be required to make the Cosworth V12 into a twin turbo V6

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

You know what'd be messed up? If they adapted the upcoming C63 turbo 4cyl hybrid for the Valhalla. It's like the Jaguar XJ220 all over again.

Disclaimer: this isn't based on anything, this is just me thinking out loud.

 

[Grosser]

You know what'd be messed up? If they adapted the upcoming C63 turbo 4cyl hybrid for the Valhalla. It's like the Jaguar XJ220 all over again.

Disclaimer: this isn't based on anything, this is just me thinking out loud.

My guess is: V8 from Black Series or 1.6 V6 from F1

 

[Wunderkind]

You know what'd be messed up? If they adapted the upcoming C63 turbo 4cyl hybrid for the Valhalla. It's like the Jaguar XJ220 all over again.

Disclaimer: this isn't based on anything, this is just me thinking out loud.

I think the former CEO of AM Andy Palmer went ahead with the new TT-V6 because he was told AMG was going down the 4-cylinder route and he thought the AMG TT-V8 engine could not give AM enough product differentiation.

It's best to save the money originally anointed for the TT-V6 engine and use it on other things. None of the Aston Martins are selling well so AM needs all the help they can get.

 

[Bridster]

Yeah, I am quite curious to see what engine AM will end up using. They could use the older M276 V6, but that was only ever making 367PS. To have it produce the ~600PS required for the engine to be competitive with rivals like the new V6s from Maserati or Mclaren, might not be possible, or might be too expensive to make sense - they are dropping their own V6 to cut costs, after all. They could use the current I6 engine and that would be quite interesting as I can only recall one other supercar with a mid mounted I6 - the BMW M1 - but that will almost certainly not fit into an engine bay designed for a V6. A V8 might fit, be it the M177 they are currently using in other Aston's, or the M178 from the AMG GT - and having more cylinders would of course be nice. On the other hand, I can also seem them using even more heavily turbocharged version of the I4 from the A45s AMG and patching the lag and lack of power with an even bigger electric component. That's probably the less likely option, though. I think that the car getting cancelled is most likely, followed by using a V8 from the GT .

 

[BMW3GT]

The M177 "consists" of two M133 four cylinder. I would not wonder, if AM and AMG consider a new V8TT based on the new M139. They could use the split turbo design of AMG's F1 engine. Garrett's e-turbo will likely adobt a 400V electrical network, rather than the 48 Volts of the upcoming C63 e-performance.

 

[Bridster]

I think that those of you mentioning exotic options like making a completely new V8, or even using an F1 engine, are missing the point. Aston killed their own V6 that was almost done! And that's despite the fact that MB don't produce any petrol V6s. The Aston engine would have been a perfect fit as far as engine line up is concerned, but they still killed it. This means they don't have the money to develop anything. Not the electronics to work with MB systems, not the engine to meet emission compliance, nothing. So anything that's not ready as it is, or only with minimal tinkering is probably out. That's also why I think the most likely option is the car getting killed too. Even if they went with using MB's older V6, they would still have to spend money on re-arranging the tightly packed back half of the car. And then, for all their trouble, they would end up with an engine that you had in your SUV 10 years ago, but now in what is supposed to be a 1M hypercar. Not that exciting. Trying to put a V8 in would require even more development. The Valhalla has the same giant diffusers and the same narrow cabin (just a bit wider) as the Valkyrie, so the engine bay is very small and has been designed specifically for that Aston V6. Trying to put something else in there might result in the whole shape of the car changing. Which in turn would affect aerodynamics which would have to be done again, it would affect weight distribution and center of gravity, which means suspension would have to be done again, etc. And that's just the work that would likely have to be done using an already emission compliant and well developed engine.

 

[Bucketslash11]

I wouldn't be surprised if MB end up acquiring the brand.

if that's the case then they should at least give Aston Martin creative control over their own brand so that they at least produce separate products, being there mainly for funding

 

[Wunderkind]

In which Merc will the V6 hybrid debut in first?


This will be true if AM doesn't develop an inhouse EV platform but source it from MB.

I wouldn't be surprised if MB end up acquiring the brand.

Seriously, Aston Martin is not worth Mercedes’ hassle. The current AM model line-up is just uncompelling. AM thought the DBX would give them the critical mass to prosper as an independent supercar manufacturer like the Ferrari of the United Kingdom. But the DBX’s poor sales thus far is not due to the COVID pandemic; just look at the Lamborghini Urus, Lamborghini is selling them as fast as they can make them. Ferrari is speeding up development of its SUV after seeing the success of the Urus. The Ferrari 812 and Porsche 911(& the AMG GT) run rings around the DB11 and Vantage respectively. They linger on dealer lots and won’t sell without big incentives and weak resale values scare buyers away. AM Dealers are unhappy like McLaren dealers. Laurence Stroll said AM must produce less cars and custom make more cars to order like Ferrari in order to prosper. But he should know better than anyone that Ferrari have hundreds of customers around the world willing to queue up for special limited production Ferraris by committing to buy less desirable models, while the situation is nothing remotely similar over at AM (nor could AM play this game with their customers).

Tobias Moers has a tough job on his hands to turn things around.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Seriously, Aston Martin is not worth Mercedes’ hassle. The current AM model line-up is just uncompelling. AM thought the DBX would give them the critical mass to prosper as an independent supercar manufacturer like the Ferrari of the United Kingdom. But the DBX’s poor sales thus far is not due to the COVID pandemic; just look at the Lamborghini Urus, Lamborghini is selling them as fast as they can make them. Ferrari is speeding up development of its SUV after seeing the success of the Urus. The Ferrari 812 and Porsche 911(& the AMG GT) run rings around the DB11 and Vantage respectively. They linger on dealer lots and won’t sell without big incentives and weak resale values scare buyers away. AM Dealers are unhappy like McLaren dealers. Laurence Stroll said AM must produce less cars and custom make more cars to order like Ferrari in order to prosper. But he should know better than anyone that Ferrari have hundreds of customers around the world willing to queue up for special limited production Ferraris by committing to buy less desirable models, while the situation is nothing remotely similar over at AM (nor could AM play this game with their customers).

Tobias Moers has a tough job on his hands to turn things around.

Absolutely agree. Why the heck would Daimler need to buy AM? To have one problem more?

 

[Serpens]

Absolutely agree. Why the heck would Daimler need to buy AM? To have one problem more?

I agree. Daimler is in a precarious enough financial position as it is.

 

[Ozy]

What a beautiful color, haven’t seen this shade of red on any car yet.

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