Valhalla Aston Martin Valhalla (a.k.a. Project 003)

[klier]

Please don’t compare Elon to Stroll!

Please don't insult Stroll you mean.

 

[KiwiRob]

If we are only getting prototypes on the road by the end of this year, this means the car is coming in 2025 at the earliest. No chance for (the end of ) 2024 which has been the recently updated target.

Also, Aston has no F1 team (Aston doesn't own it, both are owned by Stroll's investment group) and I wish they would stop saying "F1" every second sentence when there is not a single thing the car will have carried over from F1.

You could say the same about Mercedes, Ferrari and McLaren, nothing form the F1 cars carry over to any road vehicle.

 

[Bridster]

You could say the same about Mercedes, Ferrari and McLaren, nothing form the F1 cars carry over to any road vehicle.

Quite so. If things worked as they should, with how often this is done, motoring journals would have a style guideline that prohibits them from ever mentioning "F1" or "F1 inspired" when reporting on manufacturer press releases, except for very narrowly crafted exceptions for things that actually have some sort of F1 connection, like the engine in the AMG One. But, of course, things don't work that way.

 

[KiwiRob]

Quite so. If things worked as they should, with how often this is done, motoring journals would have a style guideline that prohibits them from ever mentioning "F1" or "F1 inspired" when reporting on manufacturer press releases, except for very narrowly crafted exceptions for things that actually have some sort of F1 connection, like the engine in the AMG One. But, of course, things don't work that way.

How many of the components on the AMG One engine are directly transferred from the F1 engine? I doubt they're are very many if any. This isn't like the Lanzante 911 Turbo which has a genuine Tag Turbo V6 in it, they provide buyers with the race history of their engine. IMO thats far cooler than this stupid thing AMG built.

 

[Tourbillon]

How many of the components on the AMG One engine are directly transferred from the F1 engine? I doubt they're are very many if any. This isn't like the Lanzante 911 Turbo which has a genuine Tag Turbo V6 in it, they provide buyers with the race history of their engine. IMO thats far cooler than this stupid thing AMG built.

There's quite a few. Engine block plus cylinder heads, at least very early on. There's a list somewhere. And the Mercedes AMG One is far more interesting than the Aston Martin Valhalla. Individually atleast.

 

[Bridster]

How many of the components on the AMG One engine are directly transferred from the F1 engine?

Quite a few, no doubt. Hence why the car is such a disaster.

 

[Revvd]

ONEhalla

 

[Centurion]

Is a bespoke V8TT a positive or negative for:
-Reliability
-Development lead time
-Cost

 

[Tourbillon]

Is a bespoke V8TT a positive or negative for:
-Reliability
-Development lead time
-Cost

It's supposed to be the BS unit, unless they've changed their minds or AMG have and the only other "bespoke" unit is the 707 V8 which as you know is UK developed from memory from base.

So we need to know which engine it is, unless is something completely new!

 

[Bucketslash11]

It's supposed to be the BS unit, unless they've changed their minds or AMG have and the only other "bespoke" unit is the 707 V8 which as you know is UK developed from memory from base.

So we need to know which engine it is, unless is something completely new!

it'll probably use the same block (maybe altered slightly) and bespoke internals to fulfill "bespoke" quota

i would've loved to see this with the Newey design and the originally planned V6TT

 

[A.P.]

There's quite a few. Engine block plus cylinder heads, at least very early on. There's a list somewhere. And the Mercedes AMG One is far more interesting than the Aston Martin Valhalla. Individually atleast.

Interesting as a project? Yes.
As a production car? I think Valhalla is way closer to what AMG One should have been from Mercedes AMG. V8 hybrid, incredible V8 sound, active aero inspired by F1 and beautiful, elegant design. Reliability will probably be better on the Valhallas, if they stick to GT BS engine.

 

[Tourbillon]

it'll probably use the same block (maybe altered slightly) and bespoke internals to fulfill "bespoke" quota

i would've loved to see this with the Newey design and the originally planned V6TT

Well I remember all kinds of stories and claims behind TTV6 it waste emissions compliant it wasn't that. Apparently it was Moers that killed it off. Not only that they killed the baby supercar too. Tens of millions of pounds gone.

I agree about the bespoke part. Change a couple of things and that's what they call it.

 

[Tourbillon]

Interesting as a project? Yes.
As a production car? I think Valhalla is way closer to what AMG One should have been from Mercedes AMG. V8 hybrid, incredible V8 sound, active aero inspired by F1 and beautiful, elegant design. Reliability will probably be better on the Valhallas, if they stick to GT BS engine.

Fair enough. You've good points. But I think the clients are getting tired of waiting now.

Showing these cars 5 years before delivering them is, we'll I did like the pre production processes but recently, not much.

There's atleast 2 other very high profile hypercars which are "Q4 delivery" and those claims were from the top, we'll see.

 

[A.P.]

Fair enough. You've good points. But I think the clients are getting tired of waiting now.

Showing these cars 5 years before delivering them is, we'll I did like the pre production processes but recently, not much.

There's atleast 2 other very high profile hypercars which are "Q4 delivery" and those claims were from the top, we'll see.

Aston, AMG, Lotus and some others are taking the Japanese supercar/sportscar approach.
1. Release a concept/prototype at a car show.
2. Develop the model for 5-10 years after showcase of concept/prototype.
*Bonus points if one can complicate the car as much as possible, so it becomes unreliable and heavier than promised!
3. Finish development and release it when everyone is tired of waiting for it and when it lacks in performance to the current and previous competition.

 

[KiwiRob]

Well I remember all kinds of stories and claims behind TTV6 it waste emissions compliant it wasn't that. Apparently it was Moers that killed it off. Not only that they killed the baby supercar too. Tens of millions of pounds gone.

I agree about the bespoke part. Change a couple of things and that's what they call it.

I never understood why Aston would design an engine that was emissions compliant, using that as an excuse always felt odd to me. If Maserati and Ferrari can build emissions compliant TTV6’s should be able to as well.

Was it an Aston design or was it from someone like Cosworth?

 

[Tourbillon]

I never understood why Aston would design an engine that was emissions compliant, using that as an excuse always felt odd to me. If Maserati and Ferrari can build emissions compliant TTV6’s should be able to as well.

Was it an Aston design or was it from someone like Cosworth?

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110% Aston Martin own engine designed and manufactured. Just like the twin turbocharged V12 in the DB11.

I know the story about "emissions" etc. To me, it's absolute horseshit, there's no way they'd spend tens of millions on research and development and not future proof it, that's bollocks.

Then they canned the baby AM too? Gaydon are a Law unto themselves.

 

[A.P.]

This car, to me, looks more and more like what AMG One with a V8 would have been.

Aston Martin on Instagram: "Over a century of racing and sports car heritage combined in engineering and design. Valhalla is the pinnacle of aerodynamical performance with expertise forged from F1 origins. #AstonMartin #Valhalla #MASTERYDRIVEN"

114K likes, 207 comments - astonmartin on December 7, 2023: "Over a century of racing and sports car heritage combined in engineering and design. Valhalla is the pinnacle of aerodynamical performance with expertise forged from F1 origins. #AstonMartin #Valhalla #MASTERYDRIVEN".

www.instagram.com

 

[Tourbillon]

She's changing. Actually evolving. 2024 the Year of the Aston Martin Valhalla?

I'll let you know.

 

[Bucketslash11]

She's changing. Actually evolving. 2024 the Year of the Aston Martin Valhalla?

I'll let you know.

i have actually screenshotted that video and i'm going to upload to the aerodynamic thread (Aston Martin Kuala Lumpur had the video on youtube)

 

[Jonathan19]

Aston Martin on Instagram: "VALHALLA. Development of a supercar that will set new standards. #AstonMartin #Valhalla #MASTERYDRIVEN"

70K likes, 170 comments - astonmartin on December 21, 2023: "VALHALLA. Development of a supercar that will set new standards. #AstonMartin #Valhalla #MASTERYDRIVEN".

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