CrunchSlaughtered
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Lucid's technology for motors, inverters and batteries is currently second to none. There could not be a better partner IMO.
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Lucid's technology for motors, inverters and batteries is currently second to none. There could not be a better partner IMO.
hoffmeister_fan
Kraftwagen König
From Lucid's perspective, the only down-side with partnering with A-M is that they are not a high volume seller like M-B or BMW, so the economies of scale is limited. Then again, Lucid is probably limited with how many components they can make, so perhaps they and A-M are well-aligned.
Centurion
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Not proven as an OEM supplier. We don’t know how reliable their motors and batteries will be in an Aston, nor how quickly their technicians will be able to resolve customer issues.
CrunchSlaughtered
RPM Ruler
Electric motors are absolutely bullet proof. How often have you heard an EV to have issues with motors or inverters? And they obviously have more experience in the field, than all the German car manufacturers.
Tourbillon
Cornering Kingpin
With Lucid’s Help, Aston Martin Eyes EV With 1500+ HP
Aston Martin exec says its future EVs will likely have ATLEAST four motors to support torque vectoring at each wheel.
BY MIKE DUFF PUBLISHED: JUN 27, 2023
"Lucid’s ultra-light motors are key to its collaboration with Aston Martin. (Pictured above, Aston’s Michael Straughan talks last week with Prince Richard, the Duke of Gloucester, in Gaydon.)
Aston EVs will have quad motors, torque vectoring, and lots of power.
AM F1 team is also collaborating on active drag-reduction system for road EVs.
We gave you the key details of Aston Martin’s technical alliance with US-based EV maker Lucid yesterday. Now we can add some more after Autoweek got to attend a briefing with Aston’s Executive Chairman Lawrence Stroll and Lucid’s CEO Peter Rawlinson.
The big news is that this is a long-term partnership which will ultimately form the basis for a range of EVs, not just one. Aston had previously planned to throw in with Mercedes to create a pure electric model—the equity-sharing deal Aston signed with Daimler soon after Stroll’s Yew Tree Consortium had a second stage that would have included sharing EV tech.
The new agreement with Lucid means part of the original deal won’t happen. But Mercedes will still supply V8 combustion engines to Aston, and the British company’s products will continue to use Merc’s electronic control architecture.
Aston’s Chief Technical Officer Roberto Fedeli said the core appeal of Lucid was the company’s proprietary powertrain, and the exceptional power density of its combined motor, transmission, and inverter units.
These are already producing up to 9 hp for each kilogram of mass—so, just over 4 hp per pound—with Rawlinson saying that is more than twice the power-to-weight ratio of the Tesla Model S Plaid, with longer-established automakers’ systems lagging far behind that. Each Lucid drive unit can deliver up to 670 hp and weighs just 163 pounds.
For Aston that means light, easy to package motors that should combine huge power with very high rates of responsiveness. The forthcoming triple-motor Lucid Air is set to have more than 1200 hp, with Rawlinson confirming the motors Aston will use are actually set to be its next-generation units. Lucid’s compact battery cell design is also very important to Aston, as it will allow future EVs to keep the low, sleek dimensions of the company’s gasoline-powered cars.
Aston has been working on EVs for longer than many of the rivals that have subsequently passed it.
The plan is for a family of EVs, not just a standalone model. Fedeli told journalists that Aston will create its own EV platform, set to use the same bonded aluminum construction technique it uses for the structures of its existing lineup. This will allow different battery configurations with different dimensions and wheelbases.
Lucid-sourced twin-motor drive units will power the rear axle, while Aston is planning to use motors of its own design at the front; these will be developed from the ones it is creating for the forthcoming PHEV Valhalla supercar.
Rawlinson confirmed there is NO contractual issue with Aston extracting more performance from the shared components than Lucid does, suggesting the peak output for a quad-motor system may be BEYOND 1500 hp.
The plan is to build multiple EVs, with the first—to judge from a freshly released sketch—set to be a sleek-looking SUV (see sketch above). But beyond that we’re told the plan is to create models offering electric alternatives to Aston’s traditional front-engined sportscars, presumably therefore sharing much of the same design DNA.
Fedeli also said it was unlikely that any Aston EV will use fewer than four motors given the need to deliver huge performance and to support torque vectoring at each end.
One more intriguing detail from the briefing: Fedeli admitted that Aston is working on an innovative drag-reduction system through a partnership with the company’s Formula 1 team—one that will blow high-speed airflow into a car’s wake to reduce drag.
Aston has been working on EVs for longer than many of the rivals that have subsequently passed it. There were plans to produce a limited run of fully electric Rapide E sedans in 2018, and it later announced plans to relaunch its long-dormant Lagonda subsidiary as an EV brand.
But the Lucid deal would seem to mark the point at which the ambition is set to become reality. By 2027 Aston is predicting three quarters of its development spending will be on creating fully electric models."
www.autoweek.com
You saw what the Sapphire did to the others? An Aston Martin with that kind of firepower? LOL!
Aston Martin exec says its future EVs will likely have ATLEAST four motors to support torque vectoring at each wheel.
BY MIKE DUFF PUBLISHED: JUN 27, 2023
"Lucid’s ultra-light motors are key to its collaboration with Aston Martin. (Pictured above, Aston’s Michael Straughan talks last week with Prince Richard, the Duke of Gloucester, in Gaydon.)
Aston EVs will have quad motors, torque vectoring, and lots of power.
AM F1 team is also collaborating on active drag-reduction system for road EVs.
We gave you the key details of Aston Martin’s technical alliance with US-based EV maker Lucid yesterday. Now we can add some more after Autoweek got to attend a briefing with Aston’s Executive Chairman Lawrence Stroll and Lucid’s CEO Peter Rawlinson.
The big news is that this is a long-term partnership which will ultimately form the basis for a range of EVs, not just one. Aston had previously planned to throw in with Mercedes to create a pure electric model—the equity-sharing deal Aston signed with Daimler soon after Stroll’s Yew Tree Consortium had a second stage that would have included sharing EV tech.
The new agreement with Lucid means part of the original deal won’t happen. But Mercedes will still supply V8 combustion engines to Aston, and the British company’s products will continue to use Merc’s electronic control architecture.
Aston’s Chief Technical Officer Roberto Fedeli said the core appeal of Lucid was the company’s proprietary powertrain, and the exceptional power density of its combined motor, transmission, and inverter units.
These are already producing up to 9 hp for each kilogram of mass—so, just over 4 hp per pound—with Rawlinson saying that is more than twice the power-to-weight ratio of the Tesla Model S Plaid, with longer-established automakers’ systems lagging far behind that. Each Lucid drive unit can deliver up to 670 hp and weighs just 163 pounds.
For Aston that means light, easy to package motors that should combine huge power with very high rates of responsiveness. The forthcoming triple-motor Lucid Air is set to have more than 1200 hp, with Rawlinson confirming the motors Aston will use are actually set to be its next-generation units. Lucid’s compact battery cell design is also very important to Aston, as it will allow future EVs to keep the low, sleek dimensions of the company’s gasoline-powered cars.
Aston has been working on EVs for longer than many of the rivals that have subsequently passed it.
The plan is for a family of EVs, not just a standalone model. Fedeli told journalists that Aston will create its own EV platform, set to use the same bonded aluminum construction technique it uses for the structures of its existing lineup. This will allow different battery configurations with different dimensions and wheelbases.
Lucid-sourced twin-motor drive units will power the rear axle, while Aston is planning to use motors of its own design at the front; these will be developed from the ones it is creating for the forthcoming PHEV Valhalla supercar.
Rawlinson confirmed there is NO contractual issue with Aston extracting more performance from the shared components than Lucid does, suggesting the peak output for a quad-motor system may be BEYOND 1500 hp.
The plan is to build multiple EVs, with the first—to judge from a freshly released sketch—set to be a sleek-looking SUV (see sketch above). But beyond that we’re told the plan is to create models offering electric alternatives to Aston’s traditional front-engined sportscars, presumably therefore sharing much of the same design DNA.
Fedeli also said it was unlikely that any Aston EV will use fewer than four motors given the need to deliver huge performance and to support torque vectoring at each end.
One more intriguing detail from the briefing: Fedeli admitted that Aston is working on an innovative drag-reduction system through a partnership with the company’s Formula 1 team—one that will blow high-speed airflow into a car’s wake to reduce drag.
Aston has been working on EVs for longer than many of the rivals that have subsequently passed it. There were plans to produce a limited run of fully electric Rapide E sedans in 2018, and it later announced plans to relaunch its long-dormant Lagonda subsidiary as an EV brand.
But the Lucid deal would seem to mark the point at which the ambition is set to become reality. By 2027 Aston is predicting three quarters of its development spending will be on creating fully electric models."
Aston Martin Will Create Its Own EV Platform, Using Lucid Motors
Aston Martin exec says its future EVs will likely have at least four motors to support torque vectoring at each wheel.
You saw what the Sapphire did to the others? An Aston Martin with that kind of firepower? LOL!
Sunny
Premium
The same Lucid that is the OEM supplier for Formula E for number of years now?
Tourbillon
Cornering Kingpin
Atieva the predecessors to Lucid were set up as a OEM from inception. In 2007. How they ultimately fared I can't say but this is nothing new to them.
Centurion
Apex Apex Predator
All the above are valid points. However the keyword in my previous message is proven. E.g
-Torque converters are reliable
but
ZF8 as original equipment has been proven(performance, reliability, after sales service) to be reliable through application in vehicles across manufacturers over years.
Overall, I think that the partnership between Lucid and Aston is positive. The latter could easily have just asked Geely for motors and batteries but didn’t.
-Torque converters are reliable
but
ZF8 as original equipment has been proven(performance, reliability, after sales service) to be reliable through application in vehicles across manufacturers over years.
Overall, I think that the partnership between Lucid and Aston is positive. The latter could easily have just asked Geely for motors and batteries but didn’t.
CrunchSlaughtered
RPM Ruler
Partnering with Chinese companies should be reduced as much as possible. Soon many will regret for becoming so dependant on China.
Laurent T
Premium
Fully agree. They learn, and then they will supplant us. We are greedy and don't look far enough !
Centurion
Apex Apex Predator
Electric Aston Martin to get vibrating body to mimic V12 engine | Auto Express
Brit brand’s electric car plans have been pushed back, but boss has plans for an interesting USP
www.autoexpress.co.uk
Sir Lawrence Stroll:
Tourbillon
Cornering Kingpin
Partnership with Aston & Lucid has everything to do with PIF:
Aston Martin Capital Markets Day & Sir Lawrence?
Tourbillon
Cornering Kingpin
Thanks for that I had an inkling a report, yours was coming. As you said alot to unpack. I can't say alot but I do know with my Lucid colleagues assistance the PIF involvement is seemingly very long term. Aston Martin has to get this down now, hopefully it'll transpire. I'll let you know!
PIF is definitely in it for the long haul with Lucid. They recently raised their shareholding.
KiwiRob
Autotechnik Ace
The Chinese have already learned, there are more patents registered by Chinese companies each year than the rest of the world combined.
Tourbillon
Cornering Kingpin
They've been sending or they've being coming to Universities here for decades so far as I can tell based even where we are. It's nothing "new" and some of them are highly educated prior and definitely after. I'm sure some choose to stay however.
KiwiRob
Autotechnik Ace
Same as India, they also value education.
Jonathan19
Premium+
Aston Martin tease something for July 11th.
Tourbillon
Cornering Kingpin
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Aston Martin Lagonda Global Holdings PLC is a British manufacturer
of luxury sports cars and grand tourers headquartered in Gaydon, Warwickshire,
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and steered from 1947 by David Brown, it became associated with expensive grand
touring cars in the 1950s and 1960s, and with the fictional character James Bond
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