F1 Alonso not 100% comfortable at McLaren

[Imhotep Evil]

Being fair and treat them both equally! That's how it should be! And here, it is like that, IMHO...

The only difference between Alonso and Hamilton is their salary,

Wrong on both accounts.

First.
Tough McLaren has a more let them at it menthality, there was favoritism. From late 88 Senna was favorised over Prost. Gordon Murray and the hole Honda staff were behind Senna. By 89 Prost he got 3 or 4 mecanics while Senna 12 or so.
(sorry my friend to ruin your hopes)

Second.
The other main difference is that Alonso is working his @ss of on the car to test it, give input and develope it. Not that Hamy is a slaker like Montoya and Kimi last year, but he the lack knowledge and experience.
McLaren lost in 2006 a lot of people, including A. Wurz their tester/input/car developer, and with the 2 slacker drivers an overburden de la Rossa wasn't up to the task. (hint; why do you think Williams hired Wurz, cause it's not for his driving skills)
With all the personal loss McLaren endured last year (Newey, Wurz) and without Alonso, they simply wouldn't have had a winning car right now, just a car with potential.


Third.
There should be a rule ... F1 drivers should not be allowed to bitch moan and whine...
Cause *** are they doing in F1 in the first place ?!
It's not a hollyday...

 

[PanterroR]

Wrong on both accounts.

Afaic, no!

First.
Tough McLaren has a more let them at it menthality, there was favoritism. From late 88 Senna was favorised over Prost. Gordon Murray and the hole Honda staff were behind Senna. By 89 Prost he got 3 or 4 mecanics while Senna 12 or so.
(sorry my friend to ruin your hopes)

Not giving any damn today for what happened 20 years ago and you didn't ruin any hope, but rather getting on my nerves again with your history... Sorry, it just makes me puke, for quite time i must admit.

Second.
The other main difference is that Alonso is working his @ss of on the car to test it, give input and develope it. Not that Hamy is a slaker like Montoya and Kimi last year, but he the lack knowledge and experience.

So what are you trying to say, the fact that they've managed to make a good and equal car without that much of a driver's assistance justifies Alonso's claims? That Hamilton is favorized?

With all the personal loss McLaren endured last year (Newey, Wurz) and without Alonso, they simply wouldn't have had a winning car right now, just a car with potential.

Their job is to make a good car, driver must learn and work to get along with it...They've done their job (points and standings in CC) afaic, Alonso didn't...

Third.
There should be a rule ... F1 drivers should not be allowed to bitch moan and whine...
Cause *** are they doing in F1 in the first place ?!
It's not a hollyday...

Agreed.

 

[Imhotep Evil]

Afaic, no!

Afaic yes.

Not giving any damn today for what happened 20 years ago and you didn't ruin any hope, but rather getting on my nerves again with your history... Sorry, it just makes me puke, for quite time i must admit.

My point is there was, is and will be favoritism in F1 even at let them at it teams. Unless you change human nature that won't change. People will take sides. It depends who's side is bigger and more powerfull/influential.

So what are you trying to say, the fact that they've managed to make a good and equal car without that much of a driver's assistance justifies Alonso's claims? That Hamilton is favorized?
........
Their job is to make a good car, driver must learn and work to get along with it...They've done their job (points and standings in CC) afaic, Alonso didn't...

You simply cannot build a car without input and test, nor can you ever stand still.
Alonso is a package, he got to McLaren to replace both Raikkonen and Wurz as well as others.

Also you don't seem to understand certain things. After CAD/CAM phase a car is either crap or it has potential, tough it depends how much potential.
Without the likes of Alonso, Wurz, Heidfeld or the late Schumacher you cannot reach and exploitate a car's potential, nor improve it.
A package is not a person who just drives the car.
Schumacher was said to have had the best car, slightly wrong, he developed the best car. He represents the very incarnation of the package, tough he certainatly wasn't the first. Alonso is also a package and won 2 WDC with Schumacher on the field.

At the opposite to packages are/were the likes of Mansell, Montoya, Raikkonen.

Hamilton has a long way to go, and I don't by all this hype nonsense for many reasons.

 

[PanterroR]

Afaic yes.

Couldn't care less.

My point is there was, is and will be favoritism in F1 even at let them at it teams. Unless you change human nature that won't change. People will take sides. It depends who's side is bigger and more powerfull/influential.

And my point is that it shouldn't be and that i don't see it in Alonso & Hamilton case. At least not yet. The only thing i see here is one whining b***h!

There, short and clear.

We're done.

 

[Imhotep Evil]

And my point is that it shouldn't be

You're right, of what it should be but ...

Once drivers were forced to give their car to their team mates, race victories were decided by flipping coins, some drivers were veto out by their team mates, others got their cars arranged by the team mecanics to brake during the race if they didn't follow the the team orders, others were under phsycological warfare from they team mates for different reasons (class, etc.).


This ain't no inocent fairy tale, THIS IS FORMULA 1.
(and those in it should now what to expect and not bitch about it.)


There, short and clear.

We're done.

 

[MoSs]

Wrong on both accounts.

First.
Tough McLaren has a more let them at it menthality, there was favoritism. From late 88 Senna was favorised over Prost. Gordon Murray and the hole Honda staff were behind Senna. By 89 Prost he got 3 or 4 mecanics while Senna 12 or so.
(sorry my friend to ruin your hopes)

Second.
The other main difference is that Alonso is working his @ss of on the car to test it, give input and develope it. Not that Hamy is a slaker like Montoya and Kimi last year, but he the lack knowledge and experience.
McLaren lost in 2006 a lot of people, including A. Wurz their tester/input/car developer, and with the 2 slacker drivers an overburden de la Rossa wasn't up to the task. (hint; why do you think Williams hired Wurz, cause it's not for his driving skills)
With all the personal loss McLaren endured last year (Newey, Wurz) and without Alonso, they simply wouldn't have had a winning car right now, just a car with potential.


Third.
There should be a rule ... F1 drivers should not be allowed to bitch moan and whine...
Cause *** are they doing in F1 in the first place ?!
It's not a hollyday...

i think ALex Wurz is one of the most truthfull drivers out of all, he allways blames himself over the car.

 

[450SEL6.9]

Being fair and treat them both equally! That's how it should be! And here, it is like that, IMHO...

Fair? Equal? Hamilton and Alonso may be equal, but one may also be more equal than the other.

You're really asking too much, Tycoon. Favoritism is a fact of life in any environment. It's not limited to F1. You can be a scientist in Antarctica studying penguins and you'll still have your favorite penguin. You could be an aid worker in Africa and you'll still have a favorite needy child.

My point is there was, is and will be favoritism in F1 even at let them at it teams. Unless you change human nature that won't change. People will take sides. It depends who's side is bigger and more powerful/influential.

Well said. Even Dr. Evil can't change human nature. So there will always be favoritism in everything in the world, let alone something as elite as F1.

 

[C.Charles]

He blames global warming.

 

[Imhotep Evil]

i think ALex Wurz is one of the most truthfull drivers out of all, he allways blames himself over the car.

Wurz is a top tester/input/car developer, but he's not a top driver.

 

[Imhotep Evil]

I have a few thoughts.

At Monaco Hamilton was moaning guy, at Canada Alonso, so will be doing it at Indianapolis ?!